Santiago Canyon Fire in Orange by Irvine Lake

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These fires are waaay to wide and disperse to do anything but be on the defensive and concentrate on the populated areas. Who would have imagined fires raging from Santa Barbara county down to the mexico border.
 
BG - I concur. Let's face it, the system relies on borrowing from other jurisdictions for its best effect. When you can't borrow, you've got to live with what you've got.
 
How are we on the donation count? My mom was going to donate $50 but she will double it if IHB gets 20 people to donate $25 each. I am also trying to get some more people involved to make it even bigger.
 
Wow, EvaL, you really know how to research things FAST! I'm impressed. I can't digest all of the info on the links you provided, and frankly I'm not all that into politics. But I can link you to the story from Ch 4's website at knbc.org regarding Chief Prather's comments that provides a link to a PDF on an updated Blue Ribbon Report that is different from the one you posted.



http://www.knbc.com/news/14405240/detail.html?rss=la&psp=news



Sorry I don't know how to make it a live link, maybe it will be live after I send this post?
 
<p>Now I'm even more baffled than before. Of all the various recommendations that show the state legislature as the party tasked with accomplishing a recommendation, there aren't any incomplete objectives that would have an obvious bearing on how this fire was fought.</p>

<p>One involves creating a permanent Legislative Committee, and another involves that Legislative Committee meeting with federal and local officials "to build upon existing governmental efforts to develop a comprehensive interagency, intergovernmental wildland vegetation management plan for California, and integrate the plan’s direction into revised or amended federal, state and local land management, land use plans." The rest were budgeting issues.</p>

<p>I really wish Spitzer would have been more specific rather than throwing political molotov cocktails during an already stressful time when people need to be brought together. </p>

<p> </p>
 
Spitzer's comments seemed to me to be concurring with what Chief Chip Prather was stating. The interview began with Prather who was one of the people on the Blue Ribbon Commission. Prather turned the mike over to Spitzer, who after commenting returned the mike back to Prather. I believe their main complaint was lack of air support and when requesting add'l support for this incident, not getting a straight answer.
 
<p>Eva, I totally agree. . . politicians like Spitzer are out there trying to cast blame to promote themselves. Just like the subprime mortgage mess. . . where were all these politicians (Schumer and Franks) when the loans were handed out.. . where were they when Enron was committing fraud? And they call lawyers ambulance chasers . . . </p>

<p>More on potential insurance issues: <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/23/news/companies/california_fires/index.htm?cnn=yes">money.cnn.com/2007/10/23/news/companies/california_fires/index.htm</a></p>
 
savvy. . I have an answer for them. . . there are not enough resource period. The OC fire was probably 4 or 5th on the list. There were no planes or helicopters to provide to them. In fact, I read an article (somewhere) that the OC had sent firefighters and engines up to LA to help them with the Malibu fire over the weekend. It is just the way things are.
 
<p><em>>>I believe their main complaint was lack of air support and when requesting add'l support for this incident, not getting a straight answer.</em></p>

<p>Huh. That would be in the realm of Cal Fire* or the Office of Emergency Services. Maybe they didn't assign OC the priority that Prather and Spitzer thought they should have, or didn't respond fast enough. I have no idea how the state legislature gets dragged into this, though.</p>

<p>I will say that it's unconscionable that help from No Cal didn't arrive until today.</p>

<p>*Previously called the California Dept of Forestry and Fire Protection. Perhaps they spent money that could have gone to other budget items on the name change and the new stationary, business cards, signage, etc.</p>
 
<p>This can't bode well for RSM and worse for the Rose Canyon Cantina.</p>

<p>EVACUATIONS: </p>



Mandatory evacuations are in place for for the conayon areas northeast of Santiago Canyon Road between Modjeska Canyon Road and Live Oak Canyon Road, including Santiago Estates area. Areas along Live Oak Canyon Road <strong>through the Trabuco Canyon area, including O'Neill Regional Park, to Trabuco Creek Road are also included in this mandatory evacuation. </strong>

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<p>Mandatory Evacuations for the canyon areas including:</p>



Harris Grade

Live Oak Canyon

Hamilton Truck Trail

<strong>Trabuco Canyon</strong>

Holy Jim Canyon

Silverado Canyon

Modjeska Canyon

Ladd Canyon

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<p>Graph will be relieved. They lost the garage but saved the bimmer. From the OC Register.</p>

<p><img alt="" src="http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/2007/10/23/fire.bbc2.medium.jpg" /></p>
 
<p>Eva, I'm not taking any sides on this, but KABC's website has the whole Spitzer portion of the press conference: <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5722660">here</a></p>

<p> </p>
 
I am in woodbury. It smells as bad sunday midnight outside right now. This afternoon when I came back from wook, it didn't smell anything. About an hour ago while i was driving on Trabuco from Jeffery towards Sand Canyon I can see the red flame in the hills not too far away from us.



It is getting worse...
 
I watched it, but still don't know what the Legislature didn't implement. I heard plenty of blame for those who assess and allocate resources - and that appears to be <a href="http://www.fire.ca.gov/about.php">CalFire</a> and the state <a href="http://www.oes.ca.gov/Operational/OESHome.nsf/1?OpenForm">Office of Emergency Services</a> (<a href="http://www.firescope.org/about-us.htm">in fact, the regional coordinated fire fighting agency gives its recommendations to OES</a>).





<a href="http://www.oes.ca.gov/Operational/OESHome.nsf/Content/84E7C97C24DF33F0882572790066FBB3?OpenDocument">OES' Mission Statement?</a>





The OES mission is to ensure the state is ready and able to mitigate against, prepare for, respond to, and recover from the effects of emergencies that threaten lives, property, and the environment. [para.] <strong>OES coordinates the activities of all state agencies relating to preparation and implementation of the State Emergency Plan. OES also coordinates the response efforts of state and local agencies to ensure maximum effect with minimum overlap and confusion. Additionally, OES coordinates the integration of federal resources into state and local response and recovery operations.</strong> [para.] OES accomplishes this mission through programs and outreach efforts that assist local and state government in their emergency management efforts.





A responsibility of OES?





Logistics


Obtains the resources to support the operations by providing facilities, services, personnel, equipment, and materials.





(See <a href="http://www.oes.ca.gov/Operational/OESHome.nsf/PDF/EMGuide/$file/EMGuide.pdf">here</a> at p. 15)





If the Legislature is somehow at fault, I want to know. Sadly, I am unable to find any facts to support the conclusion.
 
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