Great Park Neighborhoods

[mms2020]

Maybe someone with spectacular Photoshop and design skills can put together a master map of all the different builders neighborhoods down to the specific lots and phases laid out in one convenient display.

I have tried to make one based upon what we know so far. If more locations are known, I can add them as well!

 

[ps99472]

K.Hov's site is updated with floorplans, elevations and options..
http://www.khov.com/Home/CA/122220000/_Properties_AUTH.htm

Love the deck off the Master's in plan 3....but I think the plan 2 would sell the most since it has the prep kitchen option and home within a home feature..

 

[zubs]

As some people have mentioned already.  When you live in China where people use reclaimed sewer to cook your food, and everyone drinks toxic water and breathes toxic air, a little bit of jet fuel from the old El Toro marine base ain't shit.

Reclaimed sewer oil:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/world/asia/01shanghai.html?_r=0

Air pollution:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...photo-of-beijing-air-pollution-ive-ever-seen/

Dead pigs in the river:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/29/dead-pigs-china-water-supply

 

[mms2020]

Added K. Hovnanian's Harmony to the map. Still missing Shea homes' Sagewood and Richmond American's Birch Trail

 

[ps99472]

Shea's Sagewood floorplans are out
http://www.sheahomes.com/community/sagewood-pp/plans/

Plan 1 (2515 sq ft)




Plan 2 (2648 - 2825 sq ft)




Plan 3 (2941 sq ft)





I believe plan 1 is the smallest home in Pavilion Park to be offered with a 3 car garage... also seems very efficient, you get a sitting room, dining room, great room, bedroom and office all on the first floor.

I would probably go with plan 2 though and knock back the tandem garage space to get a super family room...

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Only Plan 3 works for me. It's the only one with an upstairs living space.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Isn't that space an option bedroom 5?

Yep... another advantage to Plan 3.

Builders will catch on eventually... of you are going a great room downstairs, add a little bit of upstairs functionality.

The 1st floor of plan 3 is bit strange. That front bedroom suite area really doesn't have much flexibility. It's nice it can be a kitchenette, but otherwise, it's a bit secluded.

I like how each plan has 2 downstairs toilets.

 

[Irvine_Dreamer]

I like the plans, but only one sink in upstair bathroom?

 

[OCgasman]

I'm with IHO, downstairs guest bedroom and upstairs bonus room is a must for me.  A bonus room makes upstairs feel more roomy vs enclosing it off as an extra bedroom.  It's a great multi-purpose room for kids and you can keep an eye on them easier if it's open.

What I've realized also after seeing a bunch of homes is I would like an area by the kitchen that can have a 2nd fridge.  Doesn't have to be wok kitchen, it can be a big pantry area that has plumbing and space for the 2nd fridge.  I'm over the ghetto fridge in the garage.

I also don't really care which floor the laundry room is located.  I know some people like a 2nd floor laundry room, but this is not a deal breaker for me. 

I also want at least one of the secondary bedrooms on the 2nd floor to have an en suite bathroom.

I also want the master on the second floor, double master on each floor is ok also. 

 

[qwerty]

Isn't that space an option bedroom 5?

Yep... another advantage to Plan 3.

Builders will catch on eventually... of you are going a great room downstairs, add a little bit of upstairs functionality.

The 1st floor of plan 3 is bit strange. That front bedroom suite area really doesn't have much flexibility. It's nice it can be a kitchenette, but otherwise, it's a bit secluded.

I like how each plan has 2 downstairs toilets.

From an investment standpoint, why is it not better to take the option with that space as the 5th BR and then use it however you like?  When you go to re-sell in the future, it would need to be compared to other 5 BR homes for the pricing vs. the other 4 BR homes.  It seems that every 4BR listing has "bonus space" that could be used in many different ways... but only so many homes are listed as true 5BRs.

If you take it as a "living space", you'll need to get it permitted as a 5th BR and then you can enclose a closet, making it a true bedroom if you want to sell it as such.

I don't think you need to get a permit, maybe though. We faced the same decision, our place came as five bedroom but opted to make it a loft instead. The second living space is nice upstairs. At first I told my wife the same thing u said - get the fifth bedroom and use it how u want. By with the loft it his feels much more open when u reach the top of the stairs. Also, where the closet would go they left a little metal plate that covers the electrical wires

My wife convinced me we need to use the space how it best suits us and not worry about resale. When the time comes to resell it we can easily convert it to a fifth bedroom.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

As both q and ocg said... most loft/bonus room options makes the 2nd floor more open. It also lets in more natural light.

As for resale, a 5th br would probably add more value but you can always list as such (as I've seen many do, even for spaces where you can't even add a closet).

 

[qwerty]

The agent puts in the data in te mls. Zillow or Redfin don't determine that. Almost 100% of the time, a house like mine is listed as a five bedroom even though its four plus a loft. If a loft exists, chances are it will be counted as a bedroom.

 

[mms2020]

Went to the Pavilion Park today. Construction seems to be going fast and many models are getting close to completion. There is also a board close to the entrance which lists the location of each community.  Updated location map and a few pictures!

 

[bones]

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[qwerty]

I think in 10 years people will forget about the toxicity of the great park. Especially if the customer base is Chinese, sounds like the great park is nothing compared to the toxic shit in china. Just like people don't care newport coast is on a landfill. I think the same think is going to happen at Tustin legacy when it's all built out.  People will forget or won't care. Once these communities are built out the only things that will bring them down are lawsuits from residents against the builders/city.

 

[bones]

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[qwerty]

Bones - I agree with you on the lawsuits. I acknowledge that in my post. I'm sure part of it is that people actually believe in government.  If the government says its ok to build on a former superfund site well then it must be safe???  Who knows what will happen. Maybe the cleanup went well and there won't be any higher levels of cancer here than the general population. I'm sure some people said that people in newport coast will experience some sort of health impact. It doesn't seen like that is the case. People bash homes around the bowman landfill but there is a real life case study with newport coast and everything is fine, the north irvine homes aren't even built on a landfill

Who knows though u may be right. Maybe there will be much higher levels of cancer at the great park and then the lawsuits start flying.

 

[bones]

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[iacrenter]

The agent puts in the data in te mls. Zillow or Redfin don't determine that. Almost 100% of the time, a house like mine is listed as a five bedroom even though its four plus a loft. If a loft exists, chances are it will be counted as a bedroom.

You're right... but if I was a prospective buyer looking for a 5BR home with a car full of kids, I'd go ballistic if someone took me to a home with a loft, saying that's the 5th BR.  Hopefully the agent would vet something like that beforehand...

For example, I can show someone a weber grill and a hose in the backyard and say that's a second kitchen!

A good RE agent will put that in the description--"5th bedroom currently optioned as a loft"

 

[irvinehomeowner]

All the homes have "Learn More" links with information, most have floorplans:
http://www.greatparkneighborhoods.com/#homes