[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1212501033][quote author="graphrix" date=1212495653]Yup, I will come to almost anyone's defense who is being unfairly asked to be censored.</blockquote>
What's unfair about asking that the convo be moved to a "Nightlife" or "Winners" thread rather than a real estate thread? We have a biking thread, a dining thread, and threads that are otherwise located in the "Lifestyle" or "Water Cooler" sections. When multiple people express that they have a problem with the post, is it really that hard to ask and analyze why, rather than go on the attack first? I don't know if you noticed, but I happened to notice today that one of your old time regulars wasn't around. I was saddened by that, and by the fact that apparently that person no longer feels welcome here. To quote a moderator I respect a lot, <a href="http://www.nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006036.html">"There?s no more useless advice than to tell people to just ignore such things. We can?t. We automatically read what falls under our eyes."</a>
Sorry, Dude, but I think you would have been wise to consider Skek's comments further.</blockquote>
Now that is some constructive criticism I can respect.
First, I have never said his comments have not been in poor taste, or not in the wrong place. I think they are, and I think they could have a more appropriate place. However, I recognized early that to react is only going to add fuel to his fire. That was my point, I kept egging him on in the Lennar thread, and once I, along with most everyone else was over it, I stopped. That could have easily been avoided here too.
Second, I also think the way people went about it was wrong. It was a full on attack, and if people simply took the high road with a mature response to politely ask for those types of comments to have their own thread, I would have supported that. But, when another member gets attacked right and left with lectures, name calling, long winded PMs, and bashing him the same way they are criticizing him for, then that is unfair. Sorry, but it is. I actually felt bad for him, because people only saw the bad and couldn't see the good in the history of ten's posts. I asked for people to go look at his posts from the past, and it doesn't seem like anyone did, because they would see a person who has asked some very good questions and has usually responded with a kind thank you in return. People simply chose to see the bad and ignore the good, and it happens all the time in life.
If we lost a member then I do feel bad, but I would also feel bad if Ten stopped posting. I don't want to lose any member, well... some nutters that stick to Lansner only I don't miss much, but for the most part I don't want to lose any member. Anyone who has ever contributed something of value, (which despite some of the inappropriateness of some of Ten's comments he has added value in other comments), to these forums shouldn't let one poster bother them that much, and should take the appropriate channels to change it if they do.
Skek said it best in the Lennar thread, Ten made a rookie mistake by calling out Cayci in a public thread rather than a PM, and every one who called out Ten here made a rookie mistake by calling him out publicly here. There is a report button, and all the mods get an email when someone does, and I haven't gotten one yet for Ten, but I have gotten a bunch for a lot lamer things than this.
And, EvaL I still love you too, and I am glad we can discuss this in a way that is appropriate and respond in kind. I see your point, and agree with it, but I hope you see mine, even if you don't agree with it, I hope it brings a little different perspective.
