Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

[socal78]

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

Going off the pics posted online, I count 8 vets in the group that were shoo'd away from the "private party". Agreed, making room for 8 should not have been an *insurmountable obstacle* for these intelligent folks. Asking 8 tag-alongs to wait outside comes to mind. As the saying goes: "Where there is a will, there is a way."

Without having been there, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from anything you read on the internet...  just like that show you like so much, Catfish.  After all, look what zubs accomplished with just one sarcastic post - he got the vets to believe he wanted them buried at a landfill.  Of course, they didn't know he was just catfishing them too.  But it riled them up so much, it became a rallying cry (even if it was false).

To draw the conclusion that "I see 8 people in a photo and they were all turned away because it was Chinese only" is a dangerous assumption to make.

Woah, Nelly. Let's recap. Yesterday, I posted here that, according to the source I cited, the vets were turned away. The caption of the 2 photos showing 8 vets outside the meeting read, 'We only wanted to dialog, but were turned away at the door. "Private party rental' we were told. Chinese only.' Red flag #1. I then asked the group spokesman, Yaliu, why they were turned away. He said he didn't know. But he did not deny that it happened. Red flag #2. I1 then jumped in. He seems to have some first-hand knowledge of what took place. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was there. He said others were turned away "as well". Red flag #3. "As well" means "in addition to." In addition to means in addition to the veterans being turned away. The vets were turned away. That's not jumping to conclusions. That's basic English literacy skills. In fact, he stated the reason was due to the facility being over capacity. So, the turning away of the vets does not seem to be in dispute from either side.

Now, I'm not generally a fan of this site, The Liberal O.C., as I am so conservative that I make Mother Teresa look like a hippie. However, if you click that link, you can see an updated post today about the meeting. According to the blogger who did attempt to gain access, the vets and the press were, indeed, turned away. It details the difficulty he had getting. So, there is an additional account from someone else who did show up and was also rebuffed along with a representative from each branch of the service.

 

[WTTCHMN]

The problem is everything you are quoting is all hearsay without any firsthand knowledge of the situation.  You weren't there, nor was I.

You interpret a Facebook post as gospel.  You claim Yaliu is the group spokesperson, when he has clearly stated he is not.  You say he didn't deny anything.  But that's not an acknowledgement either.  You claim i1 states others were denied as well.  But "others" could refer to anyone - Asians, vets, kids, dogs.  That doesn't mean vets were denied exclusively.  Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!

 

[The Motor Court Company]

yup - for people who are new to this site, just a reminder of SoCal's hidden agenda - she advocates anything that could potentially hurt Irvine's real estate value. Instead of laying blame on her secretive husband that does not make enough money to support their lifestyle and an Irvine address, she is bitter against Asians who have priced her family out of Irvine

The problem is everything you are quoting is all hearsay without any firsthand knowledge of the situation.  You weren't there, nor was I.

You interpret a Facebook post as gospel.  You claim Yaliu is the group spokesperson, when he has clearly stated he is not.  You say he didn't deny anything.  But that's not an acknowledgement either.  You claim i1 states others were denied as well.  But "others" could refer to anyone - Asians, vets, kids, dogs.  That doesn't mean vets were denied exclusively.  Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!

 

[jmoney74]

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

Going off the pics posted online, I count 8 vets in the group that were shoo'd away from the "private party". Agreed, making room for 8 should not have been an *insurmountable obstacle* for these intelligent folks. Asking 8 tag-alongs to wait outside comes to mind. As the saying goes: "Where there is a will, there is a way."

Without having been there, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from anything you read on the internet...  just like that show you like so much, Catfish.  After all, look what zubs accomplished with just one sarcastic post - he got the vets to believe he wanted them buried at a landfill.  Of course, they didn't know he was just catfishing them too.  But it riled them up so much, it became a rallying cry (even if it was false).

To draw the conclusion that "I see 8 people in a photo and they were all turned away because it was Chinese only" is a dangerous assumption to make.

Woah, Nelly. Let's recap. Yesterday, I posted here that, according to the source I cited, the vets were turned away. The caption of the 2 photos showing 8 vets outside the meeting read, 'We only wanted to dialog, but were turned away at the door. "Private party rental' we were told. Chinese only.' Red flag #1. I then asked the group spokesman, Yaliu, why they were turned away. He said he didn't know. But he did not deny that it happened. Red flag #2. I1 then jumped in. He seems to have some first-hand knowledge of what took place. Correct me if I'm wrong but he was there. He said others were turned away "as well". Red flag #3. "As well" means "in addition to." In addition to means in addition to the veterans being turned away. The vets were turned away. That's not jumping to conclusions. That's basic English literacy skills. In fact, he stated the reason was due to the facility being over capacity. So, the turning away of the vets does not seem to be in dispute from either side.

Now, I'm not generally a fan of this site, The Liberal O.C., as I am so conservative that I make Mother Teresa look like a hippie. However, if you click that link, you can see an updated post today about the meeting. According to the blogger who did attempt to gain access, the vets and the press were, indeed, turned away. It details the difficulty he had getting. So, there is an additional account from someone else who did show up and was also rebuffed along with a representative from each branch of the service.

Ugh

That is some jumping to conclusions at its finest. Lol

 

[jmoney74]

yup - for people who are new to this site, just a reminder of SoCal's hidden agenda - she advocates anything that could potentially hurt Irvine's real estate value. Instead of laying blame on her secretive husband that does not make enough money to support their lifestyle and an Irvine address, she is bitter against Asians who have priced her family out of Irvine

The problem is everything you are quoting is all hearsay without any firsthand knowledge of the situation.  You weren't there, nor was I.

You interpret a Facebook post as gospel.  You claim Yaliu is the group spokesperson, when he has clearly stated he is not.  You say he didn't deny anything.  But that's not an acknowledgement either.  You claim i1 states others were denied as well.  But "others" could refer to anyone - Asians, vets, kids, dogs.  That doesn't mean vets were denied exclusively.  Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!

Damnnnnnnnnnnn

 

[socal78]

The problem is everything you are quoting is all hearsay without any firsthand knowledge of the situation.  You weren't there, nor was I.

You interpret a Facebook post as gospel.  You claim Yaliu is the group spokesperson, when he has clearly stated he is not.  You say he didn't deny anything.  But that's not an acknowledgement either.  You claim i1 states others were denied as well.  But "others" could refer to anyone - Asians, vets, kids, dogs.  That doesn't mean vets were denied exclusively.  Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!

Wow. Who is the one "jumping to conclusions"? How about not going around demanding someone do something that you are apparently not willing to do yourself. Here, I'll highlight it in blue to make it clearer: According. To. The. Source. I've said this from the very beginning, I've said it about four times since then, and I'll say it once more... According to the source. I never said it is the gospel truth. That is why I have said "according to the source". I have presented information I have found and asked questions to gain more information. Some of the questions were for Yaliu because he said he was at the meeting. Rather than bickering about it here, why not do the same and contact various sources yourself if you really are open to hearing from all sides. Here are some contacts who were all there Monday night:

Will Jardine, Vet:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008286939694

Mr. Loughrey, "bouncer" at the meeting:http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/013.jpg

Dan Chmielewski, blogger: dchm@cox.net / 949.231.2965

I don't care who the "others" are that were bounced because it is rather beside the point. The emphasis was on the veterans. However, it is worth noting that Dan reports approximately 100 chairs were set up, and only about 3 dozen were seated. That would leave more than enough seats available to accommodate the veterans. If you want to know more details, contact him.

"Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!" --- I'm surprised you are offended that I said I can comprehend I1's post just fine. It has me questioning if this post was made with the intent to troll. What does it feel like to be offended by that? Is it a sharp, physical pain in the pit of your stomach? Or is it more of an emotional, dull, aching pain? Well, since you are hurt by my ability to read, then I only have one thing to say about that:

 

[WTTCHMN]

The problem is everything you are quoting is all hearsay without any firsthand knowledge of the situation.  You weren't there, nor was I.

You interpret a Facebook post as gospel.  You claim Yaliu is the group spokesperson, when he has clearly stated he is not.  You say he didn't deny anything.  But that's not an acknowledgement either.  You claim i1 states others were denied as well.  But "others" could refer to anyone - Asians, vets, kids, dogs.  That doesn't mean vets were denied exclusively.  Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!

Wow. Who is the one "jumping to conclusions"? How about not going around demanding someone do something that you are apparently not willing to do yourself. Here, I'll highlight it in blue to make it clearer: According. To. The. Source. I've said this from the very beginning, I've said it about four times since then, and I'll say it once more... According to the source. I never said it is the gospel truth. That is why I have said "according to the source". I have presented information I have found and asked questions to gain more information. Some of the questions were for Yaliu because he said he was at the meeting. Rather than bickering about it here, why not do the same and contact various sources yourself if you really are open to hearing from all sides. Here are some contacts who were all there Monday night:

Will Jardine, Vet:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008286939694

Mr. Loughrey, "bouncer" at the meeting:http://www.theliberaloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/013.jpg

Dan Chmielewski, blogger: dchm@cox.net / 949.231.2965

I don't care who the "others" are that were bounced because it is rather beside the point. The emphasis was on the veterans. However, it is worth noting that Dan reports approximately 100 chairs were set up, and only about 3 dozen were seated. That would leave more than enough seats available to accommodate the veterans. If you want to know more details, contact him.

"Finally, your turn to condescension and say it's basic English literacy skills.  How insulting!" --- I'm surprised you are offended that I said I can comprehend I1's post just fine. It has me questioning if this post was made with the intent to troll. What does it feel like to be offended by that? Is it a sharp, physical pain in the pit of your stomach? Or is it more of an emotional, dull, aching pain? Well, since you are hurt by my ability to read, then I only have one thing to say about that:

There's crazy, and then there's bat-shit crazy.

Your honor, I rest my case.

 

[socal78]

Demolish one of the blimp hangars and relocate the cemetary to that site? Interesting.

Another suggestion: The Naval Weapons Base in Seal Beach however methinks too many save the whale types would have a canary over any kind of "wetlands conversion" idea.

Isn't that land in Tustin somewhat spoken for already?

"It?s unfortunate Tustin has chosen to haggle over a baseball stadium rather than a cemetery. They?d probably have a better chance of securing the latter." - Veterans Need Not Apply (Or Die) / Our Town Tustin / Feb. 9

"A potential site in Tustin could be the decommissioned Marine Corps Air Station, which would be accessible via three highways -- the 5, 405 and 55 -- and is across the street from the Tustin Metrolink train station, according to the Los Angeles Times. - Angels meet with city of Tustin to discuss stadium deal / MLB News / 2-15-14

Uh-oh...

'However, the location is not considered ideal for some residents. Natalie Wong said a stadium would be an ?eyesore? that would bring down property values and increase traffic for surrounding neighborhoods at the airfield.' OC Register 10/01/14

I wonder if Ms. Wong would prefer a cemetery instead of a stadium? 

 

[qwerty]

Demolish one of the blimp hangars and relocate the cemetary to that site? Interesting.

Another suggestion: The Naval Weapons Base in Seal Beach however methinks too many save the whale types would have a canary over any kind of "wetlands conversion" idea.

Isn't that land in Tustin somewhat spoken for already?

Tustin has plans for the undeveloped land, but that is all it is, plans. Nothing is spoken for. the empty land south of edinger and west of tustin ranch road is under an exclusive negotiating agreement with a mall developer to put in a grocery store, dry cleaners, etc, your typical strip mall.  then someone else posted that the land just north of barranca and west of armstrong is under an exlusive negotiating period to create a food hall and creative office space. none of their plans currently incorporate a cemetery.  Tustin doesnt have undeveloped land to give away like irvine does. Remember, there are a ton of homes being built in irvine that will generate property taxes for irvine so they can afford to give away land, tustin doesnt have that luxury. my guess is tustin wants all of tustin legacy to generate property tax revenues in perpetuity. not sure how a cemetery would do that.

 

[socal78]

  then someone else posted that the land just north of barranca and west of armstrong is under an exlusive negotiating period to create a food hall and creative office space.

Regarding Armstrong, check out the size and scope of what was mentioned in the OCR (my 3rd link above):

"About 120 to 150 acres of land near Warner and Armstrong avenues, and at Red Hill Avenue and Barranca Parkway are being looked at for a stadium."

I'm terrible with maps. Wouldn't 120-150 acres near Armstrong put a bit of a damper on a food hall and office space?

 

[qwerty]

  then someone else posted that the land just north of barranca and west of armstrong is under an exlusive negotiating period to create a food hall and creative office space.

Regarding Armstrong, check out the size and scope of what was mentioned in the OCR (my 3rd link above):

"About 120 to 150 acres of land near Warner and Armstrong avenues, and at Red Hill Avenue and Barranca Parkway are being looked at for a stadium."

I'm terrible with maps. Wouldn't 120-150 acres near Armstrong put a bit of a damper on a food hall and office space?

being looked at and reserved/on hold are two different things. the food hall/office space has a exclusive negotiating period and if they come to agreement with tustin on purchase price the land is theirs. Tustin could not agree to a price of course.  There is no exclusive negotiation period with the angels for that parcel of land. Tustin knows its residents dont want the angels, with that said money talks. Its highly unlikely the angels move anyway. pro sports teams always use the threat of leaving to extract benefits from its current city.

 

[socal78]

The Orange Juice Blog has now picked up the story.

Veterans Turned Away from Attending Open Meeting about Veterans Cemetery ? Based on Race?

 

[jmoney74]

The Orange Juice Blog has now picked up the story.

Veterans Turned Away from Attending Open Meeting about Veterans Cemetery ? Based on Race?

this is all kind of wild now.  The council here was pressured by the vets to pass the cemetery vote and now the anti cemetery folks are getting a chance to voice their opinions.. typical reaction: THEY DON'T APPRECIATE THE VETS!  will be interesting how this all plays out.  I vote for Zubs plan for the landfill cemetery. 

 

[WillJoy]

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[AW]

Interesting issue...
So it basically comes down to money, in this case foreign money.
Some don't have any political say as they can't vote, but their property investments do the talking

If it does get built, wonder if there'll be any impact on house prices as they keep on mentioning.  Because there'll be other foreign buyers swooping it up if the prices drop significantly.

Did they even finish conducting the ground test for contamination.  The structure for the school is already up, and now a potential cemetery

 

[socal78]

Really? Parents of deceased veterans want to bury their children close by so they can visit them. This logic sounds good then I stopped and think. How many Irvine or Newport Beach kids really are in the military? Santa Ana is likely the city with many children in the military and a veteran cemetery make more sense in Santa Ana than Irvine.

Oh No that is a double whammies. Cemetery and Mexican visitors.

Reviving an old post here as I make my way through re-reading the entire thread.

I realize it was a jokey post but just to clarify, the Assembly Bill does state that the veterans' cemetery will also serve their spouses and children. Not just vets.

 

[WillJoy]

How does that work? Do they reserve a few spots for immediate family members around the veteran's or scatter them all over the place?

 

[socal78]

Talikng about NIMBY.  You obviously don't live in PP or PS nbd so easy for you to say this.

But that's the problem when buying new in an area where you have no guarantees what can be built next to your home.

You should know going in that there could be something built that you don't like (or not built).

Ask anyone who thought a school or a shopping center was supposed to be built in their area.

Another plus for buying in established neighborhoods.

That's so true. For example, take the corner of Portola Pkwy. & Portola Springs Rd. For years, there was a sign on the SE dirt lot saying, "Retail Coming Soon". "Soon" never happened and neither did "retail". After several years (7+?), the sign came down. A school is being built. Also, across the street it said "Sports Park Coming Soon". That sign went down. More homes went up instead. The park was moved. There are no guarantees. Plans change all the time. That's the risk you accept when buying next to an undeveloped parcel which you do not own. For a safer bet, buy in an established area.

 

[eyephone]

The Orange Juice Blog has now picked up the story.

Veterans Turned Away from Attending Open Meeting about Veterans Cemetery ? Based on Race?

this is all kind of wild now. 

Looks like the cemetery issue was mentioned on the democrats of greater irvine fb page.

 

[jmoney74]

The Orange Juice Blog has now picked up the story.

Veterans Turned Away from Attending Open Meeting about Veterans Cemetery ? Based on Race?

this is all kind of wild now. 

Looks like the cemetery issue was mentioned on the democrats of greater irvine fb page.

hmmm they all seem really happy after being turned away.  Perhaps they were never turned away at all?  Possibly got some cookies and juice before das boot.