Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

[OC troll]

I just think there are way better land to build cemeteries.

But where in OC?

I think one of the issues is there is no veteran cemetery in OC so that it makes visitation easier for relatives.

Tustin Legacy would be a good choice... then qwercalves might actually show up.

Motorcades going to make people cringe. 

Really? I never feel sad when I see one, I think that the person must have been blessed to have touched so many lives.

I think the OC register article talked about a location in Anaheim Hills.  Slight aside, I like how the supporter of the cemetery cited in the presentation that all the other cities in OC supports a memorial in Irvine.  Just about every other city in OC north of Irvine hates Irvine...those cities and the beach cities were the ones pushing for an airport in GP.

Whats with the Irvine hatred? I've encountered that as well. Even South OC. They should leave our utopia alone  ;D

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I just think there are way better land to build cemeteries.

But where in OC?

I think one of the issues is there is no veteran cemetery in OC so that it makes visitation easier for relatives.

Tustin Legacy would be a good choice... then qwercalves might actually show up.

Motorcades going to make people cringe. 

Really? I never feel sad when I see one, I think that the person must have been blessed to have touched so many lives.

I think the OC register article talked about a location in Anaheim Hills.  Slight aside, I like how the supporter of the cemetery cited in the presentation that all the other cities in OC supports a memorial in Irvine.  Just about every other city in OC north of Irvine hates Irvine...those cities and the beach cities were the ones pushing for an airport in GP.

Whats with the Irvine hatred? I've encountered that as well. Even South OC. They should leave our utopia alone  ;D

For one, Irvine blocked the Center Line and thus the lack of a viable public transit system in OC.

 

[bones]

bones doesn't seemed worried about it... what other PP residents other than yaliu think this cemetery is too close for comfort?

I don't worry about things like this that are beyond my control. Besides part of me believes 5p makes this go away.  One day. Quietly. I know people think they can't and/or they won't but having worked in RE development in the past, don't be surprised at the backroom horsetrades that go on.  So many hurdles to actually get this thing built. Trotting out Asians and 70yo vets in a faceoff is a waste of time.

 

[zubs]

5P is the big loser if this thing gets built.  How is Bacon Park being marketed?  Will they have to disclose to buyers that there could be a vet cemetery next to their million dollar homes?  How many buyers will look somewhere else? 

Perhaps if you really want to live in Bacon Park, you should support the cemetery so that prices will drop and you can pick one up at a 5%-10% discount.

The 5-10% number was meticulously calculated by taking the China money and dividing it out of my ass.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

5P is the big loser if this thing gets built.  How is Bacon Park being marketed?  Will they have to disclose to buyers that there could be a vet cemetery next to their million dollar homes?  How many buyers will look somewhere else? 

Perhaps if you really want to live in Bacon Park, you should support the cemetery so that prices will drop and you can pick one up at a 5%-10% discount.

WHERE are they going to go?

NOT Irvine? Doubt it so remove Tustin Legacy, Baker Ranch and any other OC location, not Irvine.

Hidden Canyon? WAY more $$ and I doubt it competes with Beacon Park

Orchard Hills? Maybe.

Maybe they'll all just not buy and/or sell their properties they bought in Irvine over the cemetery but I doubt it.

 

[socal78]

Do any feng shui experts want to weigh in on possible remediations for when the cemetery gets built? Whenever a feng shui consultant is shown on T.V., they always have some sort of "fix" for bad juju. I believe Irvinehomeshopper mentioned previously that in one of the newer developments, a token of some kind -- I can't remember right now what it was -- anyway, it was buried in the ground to improve the flow. If you can hang a crystal from the ceiling in the northwest corner of your bedroom to restore your marriage (stealing from RHOC) then couldn't the homeowners just do something similar?

 

[WillJoy]

there is an old Chinese saying which English translation is "There is neither lowliness nor nobleness in careers"

how much more recognition or entitlements we still need to give to the veterans?

Ouchy. It is not what they are demanding. It is how much we value the life we are leading now as the result of their sacrifice. There is another old Chinese saying which English translation is "When you drink the H2O, think of the men who dug the well." On the other hand, the Chinese sayings obviously don't apply to Chinese in America.

A resting place on or near a toxic piece of land is really not that much. I think the toxicity does more damage to property value than a veteran cemetery. The Chinese buyers don't know that yet because builders don't give them the Chinese version of the disclosure report.

 

[OC troll]

5P is the big loser if this thing gets built.  How is Bacon Park being marketed?  Will they have to disclose to buyers that there could be a vet cemetery next to their million dollar homes?  How many buyers will look somewhere else? 

Perhaps if you really want to live in Bacon Park, you should support the cemetery so that prices will drop and you can pick one up at a 5%-10% discount.

WHERE are they going to go?

NOT Irvine? Doubt it so remove Tustin Legacy, Baker Ranch and any other OC location, not Irvine.

Hidden Canyon? WAY more $$ and I doubt it competes with Beacon Park

Orchard Hills? Maybe.

Maybe they'll all just not buy and/or sell their properties they bought in Irvine over the cemetery but I doubt it.

I'm gonna guess OH. My chinese realtor & friend told me that his clients, who were waiting for BP, have decided to look at OH more seriously.

 

[sgip]

Demolish one of the blimp hangars and relocate the cemetary to that site? Interesting.

Another suggestion: The Naval Weapons Base in Seal Beach however methinks too many save the whale types would have a canary over any kind of "wetlands conversion" idea.

 

[iacrenter]

5P is the big loser if this thing gets built.  How is Bacon Park being marketed?  Will they have to disclose to buyers that there could be a vet cemetery next to their million dollar homes?  How many buyers will look somewhere else? 

Perhaps if you really want to live in Bacon Park, you should support the cemetery so that prices will drop and you can pick one up at a 5%-10% discount.

WHERE are they going to go?

NOT Irvine? Doubt it so remove Tustin Legacy, Baker Ranch and any other OC location, not Irvine.

Hidden Canyon? WAY more $$ and I doubt it competes with Beacon Park

Orchard Hills? Maybe.

Maybe they'll all just not buy and/or sell their properties they bought in Irvine over the cemetery but I doubt it.

I'm gonna guess OH. My chinese realtor & friend told me that his clients, who were waiting for BP, have decided to look at OH more seriously.

TIC executives are smiling now.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Maybe after 100 times you see it on sand canyon... Can get old.

C'mon... you don't live on Sand Canyon.

And if you did, the sound of the garbage trucks would be more bothersome.

 

[eyephone]

I'm wondering, why did Yaliu & co. turn the veterans away? If the situation was turned around, I believe the veterans would have made room for you guys.

I don't want to hear room capacity as an excuse.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Maybe after 100 times you see it on sand canyon... Can get old.

C'mon... you don't live on Sand Canyon.

And if you did, the sound of the garbage trucks would be more bothersome.

Definitely a lot of trucks on Sand Canyon...I live not too far from it but no sounds from within the house...a little when one is outside but not much either.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I don't want to hear room capacity as an excuse.

It was anti-cemetery capacity. There was no room for pro-cemetery participants.

I say they fight for it... five 5-minute rounds, UFC rules.

I'm with bones, I'm not sure the cemetery will happen. If an airport can be blocked, it doesn't look good for poltergeists (veteran or not).

 

[eyephone]

I don't want to hear room capacity as an excuse.

It was anti-cemetery capacity. There was no room for pro-cemetery participants.

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I don't want to hear room capacity as an excuse.

It was anti-cemetery capacity. There was no room for pro-cemetery participants.

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

I agree... but Chinese anti-cemetery supporters don't like confrontation.

 

[socal78]

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

Going off the pics posted online, I count 8 vets in the group that were shoo'd away from the "private party". Agreed, making room for 8 should not have been an *insurmountable obstacle* for these intelligent folks. Asking 8 tag-alongs to wait outside comes to mind. As the saying goes: "Where there is a will, there is a way."

 

[zubs]

5P is the big loser if this thing gets built.  How is Bacon Park being marketed?  Will they have to disclose to buyers that there could be a vet cemetery next to their million dollar homes?  How many buyers will look somewhere else? 

Perhaps if you really want to live in Bacon Park, you should support the cemetery so that prices will drop and you can pick one up at a 5%-10% discount.

WHERE are they going to go?

NOT Irvine? Doubt it so remove Tustin Legacy, Baker Ranch and any other OC location, not Irvine.

Hidden Canyon? WAY more $$ and I doubt it competes with Beacon Park

Orchard Hills? Maybe.

Maybe they'll all just not buy and/or sell their properties they bought in Irvine over the cemetery but I doubt it.

I'm gonna guess OH. My chinese realtor & friend told me that his clients, who were waiting for BP, have decided to look at OH more seriously.

TIC executives are smiling now.

I get what you're saying...5-10% drop in Bacon Park realestate becomes a 5-10% increase at OH and other Irvine areas....This means:

Every Irvine property owner that is 2-3 miles away from the proposed vet cemetery should be cheerleading it to get built! as their property values will go up.

 

[iacrenter]

I just think there are way better land to build cemeteries.

But where in OC?

I think one of the issues is there is no veteran cemetery in OC so that it makes visitation easier for relatives.

Tustin Legacy would be a good choice... then qwercalves might actually show up.

Motorcades going to make people cringe. 

Really? I never feel sad when I see one, I think that the person must have been blessed to have touched so many lives.

I think the OC register article talked about a location in Anaheim Hills.  Slight aside, I like how the supporter of the cemetery cited in the presentation that all the other cities in OC supports a memorial in Irvine.  Just about every other city in OC north of Irvine hates Irvine...those cities and the beach cities were the ones pushing for an airport in GP.

"The land is open space near the intersection of the 91 express lanes and the 241 toll road, part of 2,500 acres donated to the county last year by the Irvine Co."
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/cemetery-664876-park-veterans.html

It sounds like the same area as the shelved Mountain Park community. That area would have easy access to the 91 and 241. Also there are no close by neighbors who would protest. Future residential development is probably years away.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-524933-park-convention.html
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/irvine-524933-park-convention.html

 

[WTTCHMN]

Some of the anti supporters could of stepped out.
It just looks bad, that a group got turned away. Top it off, with that they are veterans. The goal is to get public support on your side.

Going off the pics posted online, I count 8 vets in the group that were shoo'd away from the "private party". Agreed, making room for 8 should not have been an *insurmountable obstacle* for these intelligent folks. Asking 8 tag-alongs to wait outside comes to mind. As the saying goes: "Where there is a will, there is a way."

Without having been there, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from anything you read on the internet...  just like that show you like so much, Catfish.  After all, look what zubs accomplished with just one sarcastic post - he got the vets to believe he wanted them buried at a landfill.  Of course, they didn't know he was just catfishing them too.  But it riled them up so much, it became a rallying cry (even if it was false).

To draw the conclusion that "I see 8 people in a photo and they were all turned away because it was Chinese only" is a dangerous assumption to make.