Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

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PatrickStar said:
jmoney74 said:
Hope they move that cemetery to under the 5 fwy.
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Thank you JMoney74, you have managed to sum up in one sentence exactly what everyone suspected was REALLY thought about that Veteran Memorial, but was danced around for so long by your colleagues with "we support it, just not around us".  Can't be any more clear of your real feelings than with a statement like "bury them under the freeway".  Appreciate and respect your honesty.

And with that, I'll sign off from here. Not much more to say on this matter. None of the vocal opponents to the Veterans Memorial (Mr. Court, Mr. Phone, or Mr. Money) took me up on my offer to connect them with CBS2 to tell their story, so I guess they are just internet tough talkers. Next time I promise I won't let IHS bait me back to this board and disrupt your party.  When I logged back on after all those years somebody said "you didn't miss much, its just a bunch of MikeIrvine's here now". I should have listened.
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SUCCESS!!!
 
jmoney74 said:
I wonder if there is a location that would be more appeasing. Doesn't make sense for it to neighbor the schools and homes. There has to be an area.
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What cemetary in Southern California isn't near homes or schools?
 
I find it funny people are complaining about Irvine residents expressing their desire to have the cemetery move to somewhere else, using their Constitutional rights. A lot of these people do not even live in Irvine, but minding Irvine's business. 

Why Irvine has to be the city to do this? How about other cities in Orange County? At least Irvine is open to consider this. No good will from other cities.

So you put these together, basically you see these are the people who are priced out of Irvine (SoCal, PatStar) and still holding grudges until this day. When the County is stuffing Irvine with low income housing and the cemetery, they come out and start mocking and making fun of Irvine residents. classic case of sour grapes.
 
The California Court Company said:
I find it funny people are complaining about Irvine residents expressing their desire to have the cemetery move to somewhere else, using their Constitutional rights. A lot of these people do not even live in Irvine, but minding Irvine's business. 

Why Irvine has to be the city to do this? How about other cities in Orange County? At least Irvine is open to consider this. No good will from other cities.

So you put these together, basically you see these are the people who are priced out of Irvine (SoCal, PatStar) and still holding grudges until this day. When the County is stuffing Irvine with low income housing and the cemetery, they come out and start mocking and making fun of Irvine residents. classic case of sour grapes.
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The Irvine City Council voted for this Resolution No. 14-92, which gave the land to the state. (The vote count 5 yes, 0 no, 0 absent)
http://www.cityofirvine.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=25624

Maybe leadership (city council) needs to be changed?
 
i1 said:
Even veterans wouldn't want a cemetery right by their house.

I'd be surprised if PatStar or IHO would prefer to have a cemetery built right by their house relative to say more homes or a school or empty land.

Whatever happens with the cemetery, I am concerned city council isn't doing enough to keep Irvine a great city. Great Park and PS have been squandered opportunities so far. Hopefully they do better with the cultural terrace area and remainder of PS (which I think is as prime land as OH).
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The shopping center/area would have been nice in PS. But it got changed)
 
The California Court Company said:
I find it funny people are complaining about Irvine residents expressing their desire to have the cemetery move to somewhere else, using their Constitutional rights. A lot of these people do not even live in Irvine, but minding Irvine's business. 

Why Irvine has to be the city to do this? How about other cities in Orange County? At least Irvine is open to consider this. No good will from other cities.

So you put these together, basically you see these are the people who are priced out of Irvine (SoCal, PatStar) and still holding grudges until this day. When the County is stuffing Irvine with low income housing and the cemetery, they come out and start mocking and making fun of Irvine residents. classic case of sour grapes.
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Since you are bringing my name up again, I'll share my side of things.

Before I made my first post in this thread, I thought in my head: "This will be the first time in 3 years that California Court does not get mad at my post since I am supporting the plans and applaud the idea of the Veteran's Memorial. If I said that I was AGAINST the memorial, he would accuse me of insulting Irvine. At least this once, he will not have any reason to cry and everything will be peaceful."

And here we are.  :o
 
eyephone said:
The California Court Company said:
I find it funny people are complaining about Irvine residents expressing their desire to have the cemetery move to somewhere else, using their Constitutional rights. A lot of these people do not even live in Irvine, but minding Irvine's business. 

Why Irvine has to be the city to do this? How about other cities in Orange County? At least Irvine is open to consider this. No good will from other cities.

So you put these together, basically you see these are the people who are priced out of Irvine (SoCal, PatStar) and still holding grudges until this day. When the County is stuffing Irvine with low income housing and the cemetery, they come out and start mocking and making fun of Irvine residents. classic case of sour grapes.
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The Irvine City Council voted for this Resolution No. 14-92, which gave the land to the state. (The vote count 5 yes, 0 no, 0 absent)
http://www.cityofirvine.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=25624

Maybe leadership (city council) needs to be changed?
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the bill is written by Sharon Quirk-Silva.  she is the former member of CA state Assembly representing the 65th district.  The district encompasses parts of north Orange County, centered on the city of Fullerton.  Agran saw the opportunity and worked with her to have cemetery in Irvine.  Many believes they did this to get veteran vote to win the 2014 election.  unfortunately, both LOST.

I think the bill was vote down in Nov 2013.  and when the bill reintroduced in july 2014, Choi tried to vote no or delay the vote.  however, it was unsuccessful.  with the veteran at the city hall to pressure mayor and council members, Choi and couple council member eventually switch and voted yes.  that was the reason of 5-0.

i think Sharon Quirk-Silva propose the cemetery somewhere else before, but it was shut down.  also, if Sharon Quirk-Silva is state assembly for 65th district, why did she propose the cemetery in fullerton.  I will support it :)

Please correct if any of my statement are incorrect.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I live in PP and I don't mind the cemetery... it's too far away to impact my hood.
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Yep, proposed site is over 1.2 miles from PP entrance at Ridge Valley.  Actual homes must be between 1.5 to 2 miles away from proposed site. 

I still don't really know what the dead zone is for Chinese buyers (no pun intended).
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I live in PP and I don't mind the cemetery... it's too far away to impact my hood.
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you live in PP...  you are my neighbor/stalker!!!!  :)
i thought you lived in irvine for long long time.  and PP is a new area.


aquabliss said:
Yep, proposed site is over 1.2 miles from PP entrance at Ridge Valley.  Actual homes must be between 1.5 to 2 miles away from proposed site. 

I still don't really know what the dead zone is for Chinese buyers (no pun intended).
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k-12 are right next cemetery.

we were raised with ghost story; ghost are evil and cemetery has lots of ghost.  cemetery is always seem as negative.

 
I'm completely fine with Yaliu feeling the way he does - I don't mean to give him a hard time about it, just trying to better understand the specifics.  I suppose it makes sense that Chinese buyers would shun PP not for the distance from the site but because they don't want their kids going to school so close to it.

However this.would also mean they would not buy in Woodbury or Cypress Village for the same reason, but I never hear anyone mention that.
 
i1 said:
Yeah, PP is too far away for people there to be concerned. But Yaliu cares. That's fine.

I find it very ironic that Yaliu gets a hard time about it (patriotism, etc.) when no one would really prefer to have a cemetery next to them.
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I have the exact same sentiment and kudo to Yaliu's passion regarding to this issue.

Whether one agree or disagree with those against the location of veteran cemetery, one should not ridicule home owner who speak out against the location of veteran cemetery as un-American, unpatriotic or anti-veterans due to their cultural believes and/or the potential impact on their home value.

Personally I don't believe PP or adjacent PS will be affected by the veterans cemetery due the distant and separation by the Irvine Blvd but I'll respect PP residence's concern.

To honoring the dead or vote for the living, that's the question.

 
i1 said:
I find it very ironic that Yaliu gets a hard time about it (patriotism, etc.) when no one would really prefer to have a cemetery next to them.
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I have applied for a position at the new high school @ the park and am applying at the elementry when it becomes available.

I'm not concerned because I believe the souls of the departed are in heaven or hell, not riding the carousel at the great park or hitchhiking home with me.
 
SoCal said:
i1 said:
I find it very ironic that Yaliu gets a hard time about it (patriotism, etc.) when no one would really prefer to have a cemetery next to them.
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I have applied for a position at the new high school @ the park and am applying at the elementry when it becomes available.

I'm not concerned because I believe the souls of the departed are in heaven or hell, not riding the carousel at the great park or hitchhiking home with me.
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What type of position? VP? Counselor? Admin? Cook?

#justasking
 
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