Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

[irvinehomeowner]

Jogging in a cemetery...sounds like season 1 of House of Cards? 

Hey... I remember that. I thought it was going to lead to something but didn't... and Buttercup jogs weird.

 

[jmoney74]

Seems like the detractors here have never been to a cemetery?

We go to Fairhaven about 2-3 times a year and there are always quite a few people there.

We've also been the Lake Forest one and that is actually quite a nice cemetery.

In cities more dense, cemeteries are actually part of the neighborhood and people do jog/walk through them... and families do stroll through them.

Righht

 

[yaliu07]

I'm Asian, myself and tens of thousands of Asians walk over "other people's graves" at Rose Hills every year.  Just 2 weeks ago I even "walked over" my grandparent's grave, and their neighbor's graves.  Nobody alive or dead complained to me that it was rude.  Parents bring their kids who run around in the cemetery park.  What part do you not understand?

Maybe my logic is flaw.  I always think a resting place is same as a live person house and resting area is STILL a PRIVATE PROPERTY.  you can go to your live family member's house and fool around.  however, it is rude to walk around your neighbors yard or bring your kids on neighbors yard or go to your neighbor house.  if you "walked over" my family member's resting area, i will get mad at you and ask you to show respect.  No live person complain because they are probably NOT there and you definitely dont want the dead to complain to you at their "house" or your house.

Look, it's a nice park.  No Taiwanese Electric Flower Cars with funeral strippers and flat bed trucks with professional mourners dressed in hemp robes and crying into loud speakers.  Visit Rose Hills in early morning and you can see deer (try area by gate 17).  They love munching on the flowers.

Personally, I dont like these either.  however, it is a culture thing.  I dont like it, but i will respect it.

If you think the cemetery is such a negative place, then ask yourself why you'd want to make it your resting place.  If you liked living in Irvine, why would you object to being buried here?  Perhaps the 688 acre great park planning can allocate some part of the land for general use memorial park.

people chose their own resting place because no one can escape taxes and death. 
i still dont understand your logic.  How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

 

[eyephone]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

I thought you live in the PP hood, so you should already know. 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

I thought you live in the PP hood, so you should already know. 

I'm not the one having the issue with proximity, yaliu is. Like I said, for me, that distance is out of sight, out of mind.

But for yaliu, he says it's too close, not sure if he's actually driven there to see how close. From what I can gather, until I posted the Ghost Migration Map, he may not have known how *far* it actually is.

 

[eyephone]

Are you "joking around"?
"Well-maintained parkland with fresh air and lots of open space to take your family for walks. Cemetery parklands is also perfect for community events like jogging/walking. "

?  Why would it be a joke?

When they moved the koi from Puente Hills Mall to the lake at Rose Hills in Whittier, I used to go visit them and feed them when nobody is looking.  Pretty nice place & people bring their kids there all the time.  But they really need to keep the lake clean.

Back when my Ah-Gon was still alive, he taught me that you should taste all the nice food that you like when you're younger, because when you get old you can't eat anything.  And when buying burial plots, you should buy in places that you actually like while your'e alive, because if don't like the place then you wouldn't want to be buried there.

If you have to feed the Koi fish @ Rose Hills when no ones looking, probably means you shouldn't be feeding the fish.

 

[bones]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

I thought you live in the PP hood, so you should already know. 

I'm not the one having the issue with proximity, yaliu is. Like I said, for me, that distance is out of sight, out of mind.

But for yaliu, he says it's too close, not sure if he's actually driven there to see how close. From what I can gather, until I posted the Ghost Migration Map, he may not have known how *far* it actually is.

I don't want to speak for him but from the posts that I have read, I think it's the cemetery's association with the great park and thus, maybe affecting property values that may bother him as well as the actual distance. Which brings up another interesting point.  I wonder if in 5, 10 years, people will talk about each of the neighborhoods as individuals (pp, bp, etc) or lumped together as great park.  If it's individual, then the association with the cemetary won't be so obvious.

 

[yaliu07]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

I thought you live in the PP hood, so you should already know. 

I'm not the one having the issue with proximity, yaliu is. Like I said, for me, that distance is out of sight, out of mind.

But for yaliu, he says it's too close, not sure if he's actually driven there to see how close. From what I can gather, until I posted the Ghost Migration Map, he may not have known how *far* it actually is.

i know how "far" is it.  I saw the cemetery location and new 5th high school when i drove to costco.  it still bothers me.

 

[socal78]

I find it very ironic that Yaliu gets a hard time about it (patriotism, etc.) when no one would really prefer to have a cemetery next to them.

I have applied for a position at the new high school @ the park and am applying at the elementry when it becomes available.

I'm not concerned because I believe the souls of the departed are in heaven or hell, not riding the carousel at the great park or hitchhiking home with me.

Great, good luck. Would SoCal prefer to have a cemetery within 10 feet of HER HOME behind her backyard?

I don't think anyone cares about working near a cemetery, but people don't like one near their homes.

Hey, I'm not the one that needs convincing that it's not a problem to spend the day on a school campus near a cemetery. Yaliu is the one who disagrees with you, not me. He has inferred twice now (here and here) that aside from living near one, going to school also poses a demonic risk. That's why I brought up that I'd happily spend time on campus and, as a matter of fact, I am actively trying to. You make it sound like those in favor of a cemetery are hypocrites but I'm not a hypocrite, I stand by what I post here.

Yes, absolutely, I'd prefer to have a veteran's cemetery near me than Baker Ranch!! WHO would prefer more housing and traffic?!? Not I!

 

[socal78]

I live in PP and I don't mind the cemetery... it's too far away to impact my hood.

Oh ya do, do ya?!?!

Interesting. Let the stalking commence! Now, I have to dress up like a pizza delivery person or a singing telegram or something and knock on every single door until I find the one Austrian in all of P.P.!! Try not to be too creeped out if you see me working at your kids' school, though. Just remember I applied before I knew where you lived. Actually, P.P. is one of the last places I thought you would buy. I pictured you as more of a "south central" Irvine person because you mentioned that's where your life revolves around. I guess I was predicting like Quail Hill area or Woodbridge or something. But it sounds like a good choice to meet your 3CG needs.

 

[eyephone]

How many of the veteran are currently lived in Irvine?  Assume you are dead, what attract YOU to bury in Irvine? 

Irvine is usually considered the center of Orange County, so it would be an easily accessible resting place for families of veterans.

A relative of mine had their veteran placed at the Lake Forest cemetery because the Riverside one was too far away for them to visit.

My suggestion is to actually drive over to where the proposed site is to actually see how "close" it is to PP/your home.

I thought you live in the PP hood, so you should already know. 

I'm not the one having the issue with proximity, yaliu is. Like I said, for me, that distance is out of sight, out of mind.

But for yaliu, he says it's too close, not sure if he's actually driven there to see how close. From what I can gather, until I posted the Ghost Migration Map, he may not have known how *far* it actually is.

You seem like a LR type of guy. #GetRidofMR/BostonTea

 

[Happiness]

I live in PP and I don't mind the cemetery... it's too far away to impact my hood.

So that explains the bigfoot sightings near the green house.

 

[Happiness]

1.  Going from another Central Park / Balboa Park to oversized Heritage Park is disappointing.
2.  Going from 4,500 homes to 9,500 homes is appalling.
3.  Proposing a Veterans Cemetery, may not be appealing to everyone but certainly not in the same league as decisions 1 and 2 above.

 

[socal78]

We've also been the Lake Forest one and that is actually quite a nice cemetery.

I read that Nicole Brown Simpson is actually buried at Ascension Cemetery. Have you seen her grave?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

We've also been the Lake Forest one and that is actually quite a nice cemetery.

I read that Nicole Brown Simpson is actually buried at Ascension Cemetery. Have you seen her grave?

I wasn't wearing my half-naked jogging clothes so I didn't do laps.

It's much less crowded than Fairhaven though. Maybe South County people don't like to visit the dead as much?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

1.  Going from another Central Park / Balboa Park to oversized Heritage Park is disappointing.
2.  Going from 4,500 homes to 9,500 homes is appalling.
3.  Proposing a Veterans Cemetery, may not be appealing to everyone but certainly not in the same league as decisions 1 and 2 above.

Yep... where was the petition for the overcrowding and underamenitizing?

 

[Irvine Dream]

I live in PP and I don't mind the cemetery... it's too far away to impact my hood.

So that explains the bigfoot sightings near the green house.

I am losing faith in Humanity.  If IHO bought in PP to become neighbors with Yaliu, bones, and Aquabliss and didn't share his stories about kick-back rebate from his realtor, the overcharging by Builders Design Center, his circumventing the Design Center by doing flooring of his choice post-closing, what a great work the flooring contractor did without damaging the new house, trials and tribulations of hiring landscaping contractor and getting the design approved by HOA etc... then how do I trust anyone?  And his best pal Qwerty doesn't even know where to leave the left over food and change for IHO anymore.  Oh man!!

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Alright.

I live in Northwood. Or Westpark II. Or University Park. Or Woodbridge. Or Turtle Rock. Or Columbus Grove. Or Woodbury. Or Stonegate.

Pick one... or two.

 

[socal78]

I'm Asian, myself and tens of thousands of Asians walk over "other people's graves" at Rose Hills every year.  Just 2 weeks ago I even "walked over" my grandparent's grave, and their neighbor's graves.  Nobody alive or dead complained to me that it was rude.  Parents bring their kids who run around in the cemetery park.  What part do you not understand?

Maybe my logic is flaw.  I always think a resting place is same as a live person house and resting area is STILL a PRIVATE PROPERTY.  you can go to your live family member's house and fool around.  however, it is rude to walk around your neighbors yard or bring your kids on neighbors yard or go to your neighbor house.  if you "walked over" my family member's resting area, i will get mad at you and ask you to show respect.  No live person complain because they are probably NOT there and you definitely dont want the dead to complain to you at their "house" or your house.

I try to stay on the paved path or walk around the grave if I have to go into the plots.

One time, I was visiting a cemetery in Huntington Beach every week to visit my friend's grave. Near his grave, I kept seeing this newly-buried lady's grave. It was such a mess with flowers dumped all over, gardening gloves and tools left on top. I decided to fix it. I straightened everything up. Next week, same thing. It was a big mess again. I spent time a lot of time fixing it again. Next week, SAME THING. An unfortunate mess. What a disgrace. I fix it AGAIN. I'm getting tired of fixing it now but she deserves to have it not be a disaster. The next week, I see a person "decorating" her grave. Gardening junk spilled all over, way too many loose flowers. They said they were doing it on purpose because gardening was her passion in life so they want it to look the way her garden looked.  : Okay. I get it now. So much for my wasted effort.

Anyway, I don't think that's an issue at a Veteran's Memorial. I think they have rules about leaving items on grave; they may not allow it at all or they may have one of those small vases built into the headstone that you turn right-side-up to use it then upside down when you're done.