Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

[eyephone]

Heh... happiness brings up a very good point, one of the reasons why yaliu can even protest a vet cemetery is because of the vets that died to give us that right.

#Irony

Everybody is entitled to voice their opinion.

Including signing a petition? Try that is some non-US countries and see how far it gets.

"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

"The Bill of Rights is a list of limits on government power. For example, what the Founders saw as the natural right of individuals to speak and worship freely was protected by the First Amendment?s prohibitions on Congress from making laws establishing a religion or abridging freedom of speech. For another example, the natural right to be free from unreasonable government intrusion in one?s home was safeguarded by the Fourth Amendment?s warrant requirements."
http://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/

 

[irvinehomeowner]

#eyephoneNotGettingIt

 

[test]

In all seriousness, Irvine should be honored to host a veterans cemetery.  Last I checked, neither Westwood CA nor Arlington VA are ghettos.  We enjoy democracy, representative government, the rule of law, free expression, and human rights because some brave people were willing to fight and die to get it and keep it. I'm no military worshipper, I believe in General Patton's observation that not all who die in combat are heroes, some get killed because they are stupid.  Nevertheless, the critics of the vet cemetery should remember that they should be thankful to our vets that they are able to publicly oppose and petition against the vet cemetery and not be sent to a reeducation camp like they surely would if they did the same thing back in their old country. If you don't like it, you don't have to live there.

 

[eyephone]

#eyephoneNotGettingIt

This is what you previously said:
"Including signing a petition? Try that is some non-US countries and see how far it gets."

Apparently, you don't know or don't remember about the right to congregate and have free speech.

The United States in a way signed a petition to Great Britain, it's called the Declaration of Independence.

 

[eyephone]

All this founding fathers talk, got me thinking about over taxation. (Boston Tea Party)
Bring forward today, Mello Roos. To some people this is a form of over taxation. Can Mello Roos be over turned? Let's say there was a referendum on the ballot to over turn the Mello Roos. Is this possible?

"Mello-Roos is a form of financing that can be used by cities, counties, and special districts (such as school disricts). Mello-Roos Community Facilities Districts (referred to as "CFDs") raise money through special taxes that must be approved by 2/3rds of the voters within the district. A CFD is formed to finance major improvements and services within the district which might include schools, roads, libraries, police and fire protection services, or ambulance services. The taxes are secured by a continuing lien and are levied annually against property within the district."
http://www.californiataxdata.com/a_mello_roos/index.asp

 

[The Motor Court Company]

There is some anti Chinese, anti Asian American thing going on here. yaliu is not against Veterans. He is against a cemetery. He wouldn't mind a memorial for Veterans I am sure.

What I don't get, is why do Foothill Ranch or Porter Ranch residents even bother to mind an Irvine specific matter? still holding a grudge that they are priced out of Irvine?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

#eyephoneNotGettingIt

This is what you previously said:
"Including signing a petition? Try that is some non-US countries and see how far it gets."

Apparently, you don't know or don't remember about the right to congregate and have free speech.

The United States in a way signed a petition to Great Britain, it's called the Declaration of Independence.

Sigh.

1. I said **NON** US countries.
2. How exactly did we (the US) get that "right" from England?
3. How did that "Declaration of Independence" come about?

Hints for 2&3: It wasn't because of Mexican farmers (sorry Qwermigo)

 

[momopi]

I'm Asian, ethnic Chinese from Taiwan, and own properties in the City of Irvine.  I support the Veteran's Cemetery.

If you're ethnic Chinese and am against the cemetery following Mencius's mother's example (????), I'd point out that funerals, especially Veterans funerals in the US are solemn occasions, no flat-bed trucks with dressed up mourners crying into loud speakers and no funeral strippers (!).  Well run and maintained cemeteries like Rose Hills are like parks with nice lawns, though their fish pond really needs a cleaning.  Rather than shielding children from death, we should be more frank about it like Mr. Rogers explaining why the dead gold fish isn't coming back.

Oh and, I also think the great park should have a shooting range.  If firearms is not suitable then at least an Olympic Air Rifle range.  If not then maybe a larger lake like Lake Mission Viejo for fishing and emergency use water supply, for when folks in Central Cali decide that they finally had enough with us stealing their water and dynamite the aqueduct.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

All this founding fathers talk, got me thinking about over taxation. (Boston Tea Party)
Bring forward today, Mello Roos. To some people this is a form of over taxation. Can Mello Roos be over turned? Let's say there was a referendum on the ballot to over turn the Mello Roos. Is this possible?

"Mello-Roos is a form of financing that can be used by cities, counties, and special districts (such as school disricts). Mello-Roos Community Facilities Districts (referred to as "CFDs") raise money through special taxes that must be approved by 2/3rds of the voters within the district. A CFD is formed to finance major improvements and services within the district which might include schools, roads, libraries, police and fire protection services, or ambulance services. The taxes are secured by a continuing lien and are levied annually against property within the district."
http://www.californiataxdata.com/a_mello_roos/index.asp

I've actually mentioned this before.

I think I said that I threw chai packets into the bathtub in protest of Mello Roos.

 

[PatrickStar]

There is some anti Chinese, anti Asian American thing going on here. yaliu is not against Veterans. He is against a cemetery. He wouldn't mind a memorial for Veterans I am sure.

What I don't get, is why do Foothill Ranch or Porter Ranch residents even bother to mind an Irvine specific matter? still holding a grudge that they are priced out of Irvine?

Point 1: I could actually care less about your Irvine or its property values or who lives there.  I had not visited this site for like three years until someone called me out in another thread --- I was notified of that by a third party and decided to stop by and pay my respects. Remember, I left voluntarily. I was not priced out, I found better (for me). Heck, nobody is priced out of Irvine anymore, right?  With all that low income housing there now I could mow grass at the cemetery and still live there.  I chose "other". Truthfully, beyond my friends still there and in the context of some career opportunities I've considered in that area, Irvine isn't much of a factor for me.  Now, I know you and others here like to sit around and jerkoff about how much smarter and richer everyone is in Irvine and that everyone else wishes they could live there -- but please realize, that is pretty much just a circle jerk. Even if I ever do decide to move back to OC for work, I would not choose Irvine. 

Point 2: Unfortunately my plans to stop in and say hi were derailed when I then stumbled into this train wreck of a thread, which hit a little too close to home.  And to your point this is an "Irvine" issue --- no it is not. This a Veteran memorial issue --- a Veteran Cemetery IS a memorial. I'd make the same arguments against your efforts whether it was in Irvine or Idaho.  And if I'm to take you at your word that nobody is against Veterans, then you are trying to force this memorial out based only on NIMBY greed.  That almost sounds worse.  And even worse, at 1.2 miles away, it is not even a NIMBY issue.  Think of all the things (cemetery aside) within 1.2 miles of your home you would prefer not be there if you could rezone the entire city. I'm sure there are some. I have some too.  But you know what, I bought my home with full knowledge of those things --- or if I was not aware of them (or the potential of them) I was negligent by not doing my due diligence before purchasing.  Either way, it is my problem, nobody else. So I've got two choices --- shut up and accept, or move somewhere more personally tolerable.  But to try to impose my selfish or greedy will on others --- and particularly others who have sacrificed for my rights --- that's unacceptable.  Regardless of what your ethnicity is.

 

[Happiness]

I'm Asian, ethnic Chinese from Taiwan,

Q: What's the difference between Taiwan and mainland China?

A:  In mainland China, you have freedom of speech.  In Taiwan, you have freedom after you speak.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

There is only one China.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

freedom of speech in China? seriously?

I'm Asian, ethnic Chinese from Taiwan,

Q: What's the difference between Taiwan and mainland China?

A:  In mainland China, you have freedom of speech.  In Taiwan, you have freedom after you speak.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

@ Patstar
Remember We paid taxes for your service. You did your job protecting our freedom. it is not like you worked for free. show some respect to the tax payers

 

[eyephone]

@ Patstar
Remember We paid taxes for your service. You did your job protecting our freedom. it is not like you worked for free. show some respect to the tax payers

Tax payers paid for the following:salary, food, lodging/lodging allowance, moving expenses and education/GI Bill.

(Assuming you took advantage of the GI Bill)

 

[PatrickStar]

@ Patstar
Remember We paid taxes for your service. You did your job protecting our freedom. it is not like you worked for free. show some respect to the tax payers

You are a wonderful representative for Irvine.  When the news crews come calling to interview the people against the Veteran Memorial (and they will --- they love these stories about people who are perceived to be against the Veterans; ask Michael Moore how his week was) I suggest you go forward as the spokesman for the Irvine people.  Thankfully I am friends with an anchor at CBS2; I've already forwarded her this thread.  I'd love for the rest of Southern California to hear your tax struggle in comparison to those who fought for the country.  PM me if you'd like to tell it, I'll get you two in touch.

 

[eyephone]

Correct me I'm wrong, isn't the Internet censored in China? The reason why it didn't get messy in HK because the media, actors like Kenny G were there, and the whole world was watching. Also, it seems like the protestors gave in.

freedom of speech in China? seriously?

I'm Asian, ethnic Chinese from Taiwan,

Q: What's the difference between Taiwan and mainland China?

A:  In mainland China, you have freedom of speech.  In Taiwan, you have freedom after you speak.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

you will lose the battle. The media is left biased; I will use the race card to trump your veteran card.

@ Patstar
Remember We paid taxes for your service. You did your job protecting our freedom. it is not like you worked for free. show some respect to the tax payers

You are a wonderful representative for Irvine.  When the news crews come calling to interview the people against the Veteran Memorial (and they will --- they love these stories about people who are perceived to be against the Veterans; ask Michael Moore how his week was) I suggest you go forward as the spokesman for the Irvine people.  Thankfully I am friends with an anchor at CBS2; I've already forwarded her this thread.  I'd love for the rest of Southern California to hear your tax struggle in comparison to those who fought for the country.  PM me if you'd like to tell it, I'll get you two in touch.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

and we are now paying for their burying site. I am not against the veteran cemetery. I am just fed up with PatStar's entitlement feelings. Being a veteran and fought for our freedom does not mean you are above the Constitution and can accuse us not being patriotic if things don't go your way.

#dontbitethehandsthatfeedyou

@ Patstar
Remember We paid taxes for your service. You did your job protecting our freedom. it is not like you worked for free. show some respect to the tax payers

Tax payers paid for the following:salary, food, lodging/lodging allowance, moving expenses and education/GI Bill.

(Assuming you took advantage of the GI Bill)

 

[Happiness]

Umm, I think this is about veterans in general from the revolution to today and not about pat star in particular.

If you think the media and the court of public opinion is against veterans, you have a lot to learn about the United States.

Just drop this issue, right now.  You will not like the inevitable backlash if you keep pushing this.