Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

[eyephone]

Umm, I think this is about veterans in general from the revolution to today and not about pat star in particular.

If you think the media and the court of public opinion is against veterans, you have a lot to learn about the United States.

Just drop this issue, right now.  You will not like the inevitable backlash if you keep pushing this.

So we can't question the validity of the location?

 

[Irvine Dream]

Fixed that for you


Q: What's the difference between Taiwan and mainland China?

A:  In mainland China, you don't have freedom of speech.  In Taiwan, you don't have freedom after you speak.

 

[Happiness]

Umm, I think this is about veterans in general from the revolution to today and not about pat star in particular.

If you think the media and the court of public opinion is against veterans, you have a lot to learn about the United States.

Just drop this issue, right now.  You will not like the inevitable backlash if you keep pushing this.

So we can't question the validity of the location?

You can question whatever you want.  That's the beauty of living in America.  But just because you can do something doesn't mean it is smart of you to do it.  But don't take my word for it (generally bad idea to act on advice from internet postings) ask some natives what they think about your concerns.

By the way, the "we're not opposed to it we just want it somewhere else" statement just makes things worse because it adds insincerity on top of insensitivity.

 

[eyephone]

Ha- is that a threat. By saying it's not a smart thing to do.

Interesting: first people say we don't have the right to talk about the cemetery. Then I bring up the bill of rights. So that argument gets shot down.

Come to think of it, me and Court are doing a service to people that are not informed of their rights. Not everybody went to school here in the US.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

I fully support veterans. I respect them. but I do believe they are already compensated and recognized for their work and sacrifice.

I also respect and appreciate the US Constitution and I applaud yaliu for standing up and expressing his concerns, especially when Asian Americans are under-represented, and usually not very involved and active in politics.

what I don't like, is just because you are in some minority group, you are entitled to special treatments and no one can disagree with you. PatStar is threatening and bullying me with his reporter connection. Bring it on.

 

[jmoney74]

Hope they move that cemetery to under the 5 fwy.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Not to worry Yaliu the cemetery is going away. Irvine has no money to build it. In 2 years when Sukhee runs for mayor he will nail the coffin shut on the cemetery. Unless ........

I almost guarantee that it will be built.  Five Points will pony up the money as a gesture to the community...will probably be tax deductible.

The best of both world is to have some sort of Feng shui rituals to calm the unrestful souls before each burial. Frankly, I like the open space and a lot more peaceful than the Chinese neighbors on their piano. I doubt that Five Points will pony up the money but someone else will to just to hurt land sale at the Greatpark. A proper Fengshui ritual should put the concerned buyers at ease. If I were ever to own another property I would buy in the Great Park. I have seen the overall master plan and it is amazing.

 

[jmoney74]

Not to worry Yaliu the cemetery is going away. Irvine has no money to build it. In 2 years when Sukhee runs for mayor he will nail the coffin shut on the cemetery. Unless ........

I almost guarantee that it will be built.  Five Points will pony up the money as a gesture to the community...will probably be tax deductible.

The best of both world is to have some sort of Feng shui rituals to calm the unrestful souls before each burial. Frankly, I like the open space and a lot more peaceful than the Chinese neighbors on their piano. I doubt that Five Points will pony up the money but someone else will to just to hurt land sale at the Greatpark. A proper Fengshui ritual should put the concerned buyers at ease. If I were ever to own another property I would buy in the Great Park. I have seen the overall master plan and it is amazing.

I wonder if there is a location that would be more appeasing. Doesn't make sense for it to neighbor the schools and homes. There has to be an area.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

City of Irvine owns the cemetery parcel and I think the area around it is zoned residential. Homes and schools are built paired to one another. I don't see other alternative uses without violating zonings.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Interesting: first people say we don't have the right to talk about the cemetery. Then I bring up the bill of rights. So that argument gets shot down.

You still aren't getting it.

What I'm saying is the reason we have that right is because of soldiers who fought in the war for American's independence... the same kind if people who are veterans today.

So the irony is the cemetery is for the very people who fight for and protect our way of life... yet those rights they fight for are being used to prevent it from being built in Irvine.

And again, it's not that yaliu is anti-veteran... it's just ironic.

 

[eyephone]

Interesting: first people say we don't have the right to talk about the cemetery. Then I bring up the bill of rights. So that argument gets shot down.

You still aren't getting it.

What I'm saying is the reason we have that right is because of soldiers who fought in the war for American's independence... the same kind if people who are veterans today.

So the irony is the cemetery is for the very people who fight for and protect our way of life... yet those rights they fight for are being used to prevent it from being built in Irvine.

And again, it's not that yaliu is anti-veteran... it's just ironic.

I don't think you get it. The Constitution is the reason why I have a right to free speech.

 

[PatrickStar]

I don't think you get it. The Constitution is the reason why I have a right to free speech.

I don't think anyone is saying you don't have a right to free speech. But for illustrative purposes, let's use a real world example to show why IHO finds it is so ironic you are invoking the Constitution to mock those who either did or were willing to give their life for this country with a "quit feeling entitled we pay taxes to pay your salary" argument.  So to help you understand, let's go back in time to 1941. Back then they had the very same Constitution you are invoking today.  But let's say back then people were so greedy and selfish the did not want to pay taxes to support a military. Nazi Germany is coming at the US from one shore, and Imperial Japan from the other. But without those men willing to give their lives to defend those shores and that very Constitution, what would the Constitution be worth today? Where would your right to live free today under that Constitution be in 2015 if those hundreds of thousands of men had not died to ensure our shores were not overrun by Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan? Those same men that are buried in the Veteran Cemeteries. The same men you are disparaging by suggesting their job holds about the same value as some cube jockey creating power point slides --- because that is just about what you demean it to when you say "we pay your salary". Those men gave their lives as teenagers so you could have your $1M home you mock them from.  They never had the chance to have what you have.  I'm sure any one of them would have gladly given up the "salary" you refer to for a chance to have that same life.

Do you see the connection?

 

[socal78]

 

[The Motor Court Company]

iho,
people who fought for the Constitution are long dead. The cemetery will most likely bury veterans from the Vietnam war. That war has nothing to do with the Constitution. Comparing solders who fought for independence more than 200 years ago and today's veterans are quite different. Today's veterans got holidays in their name, paid decent salary and benefits, VA hospital, and special discounts in all kinds of goods and services, and often recognized in public events.

Yet there are a few veterans like PatStar who wants even more entitlement and think they are above all else. He is shaming his fellow veterans.

 

[socal78]

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." - John 15:13

Let's show the vets & their families the same love they have shown us.

 

[eyephone]

iho,
people who fought for the Constitution are long dead. The cemetery will most likely bury veterans from the Vietnam war. That war has nothing to do with the Constitution. Comparing solders who fought for independence more than 200 years ago and today's veterans are quite different. Today's veterans got holidays in their name, paid decent salary and benefits, VA hospital, and special discounts in all kinds of goods and services, and often recognized in public events.

Yet there are a few veterans like PatStar who wants even more entitlement and think they are above all else. He is shaming his fellow veterans.

Wow - CaL: that's kind of G.

 

[PatrickStar]

Hope they move that cemetery to under the 5 fwy.

Thank you JMoney74, you have managed to sum up in one sentence exactly what everyone suspected was REALLY thought about that Veteran Memorial, but was danced around for so long by your colleagues with "we support it, just not around us".  Can't be any more clear of your real feelings than with a statement like "bury them under the freeway".  Appreciate and respect your honesty.

And with that, I'll sign off from here. Not much more to say on this matter. None of the vocal opponents to the Veterans Memorial (Mr. Court, Mr. Phone, or Mr. Money) took me up on my offer to connect them with CBS2 to tell their story, so I guess they are just internet tough talkers. Next time I promise I won't let IHS bait me back to this board and disrupt your party.  When I logged back on after all those years somebody said "you didn't miss much, its just a bunch of MikeIrvine's here now". I should have listened.

 

[yaliu07]

Sorry.  it was a busy date at work and didn't get a chance to respond all the posts.

we are NOT against the veteran cemetery.  we just try to relocate to somewhere else.

again, we are NOT against the veteran cemetery.  we just try to relocate to somewhere else.

I knew I could count on you, Pat, even in the afterlife.

FWIW I was watching the city council meeting on TV Tuesday night (yes I have no life) and I saw yaliu hand his petition to the City Council. They looked at it in silence but but their body language said, "Where's the nearest round file."

I was actually there and I did sign the petition.  unfortunately that guy was NOT me.

Heh... happiness brings up a very good point, one of the reasons why yaliu can even protest a vet cemetery is because of the vets that died to give us that right.

#Irony

I agree with you and I have respect for all veteran for their service and sacrifice.  I understand a war can cause physical and emotional damage to the veteran.  Again I respect to all veterans.

There is some anti Chinese, anti Asian American thing going on here. yaliu is not against Veterans. He is against a cemetery. He wouldn't mind a memorial for Veterans I am sure.

Thank you

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

The reality really is Irvine is not worthy of a place to have a Veteran Cemetery. Patriotism is at a all time low and why built something there when no one wants it.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

iho,
people who fought for the Constitution are long dead. The cemetery will most likely bury veterans from the Vietnam war. That war has nothing to do with the Constitution. Comparing solders who fought for independence more than 200 years ago and today's veterans are quite different. Today's veterans got holidays in their name, paid decent salary and benefits, VA hospital, and special discounts in all kinds of goods and services, and often recognized in public events.

I mentioned the difference.

But the fact doesn't change that the men and women today in the armed forces, yesterday from Vietnam, or fighting the British 200 years ago all have the same thing in common, they protect our freedoms with their lives.

Those freedoms include free speech and being able to protest and sign petitions... even against the a memorial cemetery that celebrates those very people who defend them.

I don't think you get it. The Constitution is the reason why I have a right to free speech.

You still haven't even answered my previous questions... how did that Constitution come about?

Did you think the Constitution just happened?

Not sure if you are just pretending not to get it or you really have no idea about history prior to when the Constitution was drafted.