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WTTCHMN said:
Perspective said:
Fair analysis, but I completely disagree that actions matter more than words. That is patently false.

Your wife has sex with qwerty. 

vs.

Your wife says she fantasizes about sex with qwerty.


Actions don't matter more than words?

The number of people Hitler could kill with his own hands was limited. The number of people he could kill with his words and ideas? Unlimited.
 
Now with this thread fully Godwin'ed we should move on.

BTW - in the same time period Mr. Baldwin calls his own flesh and blood a rude, thoughtless pig. Now he's mocking someone for a foul mouth? Does no one see the irony. Oh well, in the same vein Sugar Tits McJew Hater likely has an Oscar in his future for his new film so evidently there is a statute of limitations for speech we don't like.  The Tang Menace likely has more revelations to come but at least given everyone else's track record, the guilty are given absolution in about a decades time.

My .02c

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Vote Sweet Meteor of Death in '16 - The only candidate with a fool proof plan to eliminate ISIS - and everyone else...
 
I can't count how many times Trump stood up and paced/ walk around when it wasn't his turn to talk during the debate.
 
Perspective said:
spootieho said:
aquabliss said:
I can't help but wonder if the RNC is meeting in secret to dump him and announce a 3rd party candidate next week.

Probably not, but here's to hoping.
If they can't get rid of him, then they still have to vote for him for the sake of the Supreme Court, trade, and immigration issues.

Agreed, at least for SCOTUS. That is the biggest (YUGE!) reason you'd support and vote for Trump. Trade? Trump isn't going to change a thing about trade - pure political rhetoric. Immigration? I could see the border security budget increasing dramatically, but we'll never waste billions building a bigger wall.
If he's elected:

I think he can have an impact on things with trade like the TPP.  He could also can decide not to ignore certain responsibilities in the executive branch and/or decide to ignore some of them.  I don't see the wall happening, and in 4 years it will bite him in the ass.

Whomever is elected: I think we will see a downturn in the economy at some point in the next 4 years.  They are going to get blame, even if it's out of their control.

Perspective said:
That was pretty funny. 
 
Clinton's answer to the last question was weak - "Name one thing you admire or respect about the other." She complimented his kids. I was hoping she'd say, "Free and fair trade is better for almost everyone, but there are some people who don't benefit on balance, and are in fact quite negatively affected. I appreciate that Donald has brought this issue to the forefront of our political conscience. There are communities in our country that are painfully suffering due directly to free trade policies. We need to find ways to help these communities, and Donald has focused our attention on this. For that, I am grateful."
 
Perspective said:
Clinton's answer to the last question was weak - "Name one thing you admire or respect about the other." She complimented his kids. I was hoping she'd say, "Free and fair trade is better for almost everyone, but there are some people who don't benefit on balance, and are in fact quite negatively affected. I appreciate that Donald has brought this issue to the forefront of our political conscience. There are communities in our country that are painfully suffering due directly to free trade policies. We need to find ways to help these communities, and Donald has focused our attention on this. For that, I am grateful."

That whole trade thing is reduculous. The fact that Trump bought steel from China and not from steel companies in the US speaks for it self, according to the article below.

Source:http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717
 
eyephone said:
That whole trade thing is reduculous. The fact that Trump bought steel from China and not from steel companies in the US speaks for it self, according to the article below.

Source:http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717
The logical fallacy is that he should buy the stuff in the US or he has no say in the matter. 

Fact is, he knows exactly why companies buy stuff elsewhere as he does it himself.  Fact is, many politicians were in power when US companies started buying things overseas.  If they were in power then, and weren't able to stop it, why should we believe they can do it now?  (meg whitman vs barbara boxer scenerio).  It's more likely that he knows what incentives or actions need to happen to make buying American more appealing.
 
Where Do Clinton And Trump Have The Most Upside?
By David Wasserman, Reuben Fischer-Baum and Ritchie King
Non-college-educated whites are moving toward Donald Trump. Non-whites and college-educated whites are swinging Hillary Clinton. We built a county-by-county model to show where shifts in these groups could make the biggest difference.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/clinton-trump-vote-maps-2016/

In November, Donald Trump could become the first Republican presidential nominee to lose Orange County, California, since 1936. ...
 
This is an election like no other. It will not follow conventional wisdom.

White House Watch: Trump Takes the Lead

Thursday, October 13, 2016

The full results from Sunday night?s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton?s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but  that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13
 
morekaos said:
This is an election like no other. It will not follow conventional wisdom.

White House Watch: Trump Takes the Lead

Thursday, October 13, 2016

The full results from Sunday night?s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton?s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but  that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13

Popular vote doesn't matter. Presidents get elected via the electoral college.
 
Perspective said:
Trump has a 13% chance of winning at this moment, according to Silver's metrics:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Will not follow conventional analysis.

7 Times Nate Silver Was Hilariously Wrong About Donald Trump

1. June 16, 2015: Why Donald Trump Isn?t A Real Candidate, In One Chart

2. July 16, 2015: Two Good Reasons Not To Take The Donald Trump ?Surge? Seriously

3. July 20, 2015: Donald Trump Is The World?s Greatest Troll

4. Aug. 6, 2015: Donald Trump?s Six Stages of Doom

5. Aug. 11, 2015: Donald Trump Is Winning The Polls, And Losing The Nomination

6. Nov. 23, 2015: Dear Media, Stop Freaking Out About Donald Trump?s Polls

7. Donald Trump Comes Out Of Iowa Looking Like Pat Buchanan

Still, Trump?s sustained polling success was finally cracking even Silver?s resolve. Instead of being openly dismissive of Trump, he simply noted that Trump?s real strength would be revealed by how New Hampshire voted. We all know how that went. On Feb. 10, Silver finally anointed Trump as the GOP frontrunner.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/04/7-times-nate-silver-was-hilariously-wrong-about-donald-trump/#ixzz4MmSwNIjy
 
morekaos said:
Perspective said:
Trump has a 13% chance of winning at this moment, according to Silver's metrics:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Will not follow conventional analysis.

7 Times Nate Silver Was Hilariously Wrong About Donald Trump

1. June 16, 2015: Why Donald Trump Isn?t A Real Candidate, In One Chart

2. July 16, 2015: Two Good Reasons Not To Take The Donald Trump ?Surge? Seriously

3. July 20, 2015: Donald Trump Is The World?s Greatest Troll

4. Aug. 6, 2015: Donald Trump?s Six Stages of Doom

5. Aug. 11, 2015: Donald Trump Is Winning The Polls, And Losing The Nomination

6. Nov. 23, 2015: Dear Media, Stop Freaking Out About Donald Trump?s Polls

7. Donald Trump Comes Out Of Iowa Looking Like Pat Buchanan

Still, Trump?s sustained polling success was finally cracking even Silver?s resolve. Instead of being openly dismissive of Trump, he simply noted that Trump?s real strength would be revealed by how New Hampshire voted. We all know how that went. On Feb. 10, Silver finally anointed Trump as the GOP frontrunner.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/04/7-times-nate-silver-was-hilariously-wrong-about-donald-trump/#ixzz4MmSwNIjy

Rasmussen in 2012 had an AVERAGE error of 4.2 points with a Republican bias of 3.7 points. They fared at the bottom of the lot in terms of getting their predictions right.

 
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