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Perspective said:
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
If there's one thing that explains enthusiastic Trump support best, it might be this:

Older white workers without a college degree have really gotten torched

"If you were a white kid who went to work straight out of high school around 1975, you earned roughly $44,000 two decades later. By 2014, on average, your pay had fallen to $32,000, a stunning 27% decline in real terms, after accounting for inflation. You spent what were supposed to be your peak earning years?your 40s and 50s?falling behind."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/older...ree-have-really-gotten-torched-180307835.html
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I still don't get the slogan: Make America Great Again (Doesn't make sense)

Also, we are not a third world country. (I have been to third world countries, and trust me we are not)
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Agreed, but Obama's "Hope & Change" slogan was equally nonsensical. The difference here, is that Trump's slogan claims at some point in the past, America was great, and now it isn't. When was it great? Before women, LGBTers, and non-white folks had many civil rights?
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I think this slogan would have been better: Let's Make America Better. Which will make more sense.

I'm telling you the tax return that was just released is a big issue. He could of got ahead of this and just released it before hand.

This is a general phrase: The common person pays taxes every year.
 
"Let's Make America Great for All Americans" - How about that one?

The released tax return is an onion with many layers. I think Trump's actually used effective talking points for this. However, the bluster about "knowing more about taxes than anyone" is beyond ridiculous, and has been debunked by his own tax attorney.

The interesting issue now is whether he actually took a bona fide loss that he's been carrying forward. Hillary was a Senator in 2001 when this loophole was closed. This should be talking point for her in Sunday's debate.

Trump?s Tax Strategy Seen Turning Unpaid Debt Into Benefithttp://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...trategy-seen-turning-unpaid-debt-into-benefit

Trump Tax Attorney: 'He Didn't Understand the Code'http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-tax-attorney-he-didn-t-understand-code-n660111
 
Not gonna post a link, because the language is offensive, but there's a 2005 video just out with Trump being Trump. Hopefully he doesn't drop out of the race!

It's on Deadspin, and was on Yahoo frontpage for a minute.
 
Perspective said:
Not gonna post a link, because the language is offensive, but there's a 2005 video just out with Trump being Trump. Hopefully he doesn't drop out of the race!

It's on Deadspin, and was on Yahoo frontpage for a minute.
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Oh Perspective, don't be so coy.


The Washington Post and NBC News reported Friday on a video from 2005 in which Mr. Trump is having a conversation with TV host Billy Bush as they arrived at a location for Mr. Trump?s cameo on the soap opera ?Days of Our Lives.?

In the recording, Mr. Trump says: ?You know I?m automatically attracted to beautiful ? I just start kissing them. It?s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don?t even wait?

?And when you?re a star they let you do it. You can do anything?Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.?

In the tape, he also refers to a married woman whom he says he tried to seduce.

?And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ?I?ll show you where they have some nice furniture.?

?I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn?t get there. And she was married,? Mr. Trump said in the recording. ?Then all of a sudden I see her, she?s now got the big phony tits and everything. She?s totally changed her look.?

The Washington Post said it believed the video was recorded in September 2005. Mr. Trump had married his current wife, Melania Trump, in January of that year.
 
WTTCHMN said:
Perspective said:
Not gonna post a link, because the language is offensive, but there's a 2005 video just out with Trump being Trump. Hopefully he doesn't drop out of the race!

It's on Deadspin, and was on Yahoo frontpage for a minute.
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Oh Perspective, don't be so coy.


The Washington Post and NBC News reported Friday on a video from 2005 in which Mr. Trump is having a conversation with TV host Billy Bush as they arrived at a location for Mr. Trump?s cameo on the soap opera ?Days of Our Lives.?

In the recording, Mr. Trump says: ?You know I?m automatically attracted to beautiful ? I just start kissing them. It?s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don?t even wait?

?And when you?re a star they let you do it. You can do anything?Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.?

In the tape, he also refers to a married woman whom he says he tried to seduce.

?And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ?I?ll show you where they have some nice furniture.?

?I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn?t get there. And she was married,? Mr. Trump said in the recording. ?Then all of a sudden I see her, she?s now got the big phony tits and everything. She?s totally changed her look.?

The Washington Post said it believed the video was recorded in September 2005. Mr. Trump had married his current wife, Melania Trump, in January of that year.
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The married woman he referred to is Nancy O'Dell.  Even the Donald's apology was taking a swipe at the Clintons.  He is done. We can officially prepare for HRC to be our next POTUS.
 
What. .!?!?  You're saying The Tang Menace told a blue story? Quick Jeeves, fetch my fainting couch as I'm suffering from the vapors.

Here's the real difference:

Trump boasts about failed move on a married woman. She said "No". Trump moved on.

Clinton made a move on many women. When they said "No" Clinton raped them.

But...but  Bill isn't running... No, but his chief abetter, apologist, and destroyer of the accusers reputation is.

To put a fine point on it: Ever heard your boss tell a racist joke? Uncool, right. What if your boss fired someone based on race, and his wife in HR gave "two thumbs up" Which is worse?

If people are unable to differentiate between these undeniable sets of facts, God help us all.
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
What. .!?!?  You're saying The Tang Menace told a blue story? Quick Jeeves, fetch my fainting couch as I'm suffering from the vapors.

Here's the real difference:

Trump boasts about failed move on a married woman. She said "No". Trump moved on.

Clinton made a move on many women. When they said "No" Clinton raped them.

But...but  Bill isn't running... No, but his chief abetter, apologist, and destroyer of the accusers reputation is.

To put a fine point on it: Ever heard your boss tell a racist joke? Uncool, right. What if your boss fired someone based on race, and his wife in HR gave "two thumbs up" Which is worse?

If people are unable to differentiate between these undeniable sets of facts, God help us all.
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What Bill Clinton did would be relevant, if Bill were running for President.

To the extent Hillary attacked Bill's accusers, this is relevant. If a strategy session video were to emerge showing Hillary calling Bill's accusers fowl names and plotting to destroy them, it would be similarly despicable to Trump's Access Hollywood video.

The difference might be that Trump appears to continue this type of behavior to this day in broad public daylight, and is unapologetic (until the half apology issued last night).
 
One doesn't need a video to make an informed decision. So far no video has turned up on what was the "crime of the century", but I will bet a box of white house sourced, slightly inserted cigars that no one would be willing to rent a room to OJ Simpson while he continues to search for the real killers. Nope, there's enough information for people to put 1 + 1 + 1 together and still get 3, without an audio or video tape. Unfortunately for the Cheeto Faced Vulgarian, the media will never highlight Hillary's willful denigration of BC's victims.

Let's share your position, that an 11 year old video is continuing evidence of DT's state of mind right now towards women. If that's the case, it's only fair to assume that BC continues to be a sexual predator. Perhaps a quick googling of "Clinton Epstein" can shed some light on BC's 2002-2005 behavior - right at about the same time as DT's comments were made.  Again, I completely maintain that actions, not words, are what need to be the issue. The actions of Hillary in blameshifting first "vast right wing conspiracy" or calling Monica Lewinsky a "narcissistic loony toon" - until the blue stained dress proved otherwise - shows that her judgment is unfit for the Presidency. Ask Michelle Obama - If you can't run your own house, you certainly can't manage the White House"

Now, the MSM is sifting through old Howard Stern show tapes to cull the worst of DT's comments, and roll around in it pre-debate tomorrow. Meh, I say. We know DT's hardly a choirboy. We also know the Scabrous Gorgon is a clear and present danger with comments made only in the last few years! Dear reader, imagine if you did any of the things Hillary did with your E-mail and devices. What would your employment picture look like? If your last name is Clinton, you're afforded one set of rules. If your name is anything but, I hope you look good in Orange. I hear it's the new Black... Take a run through Wikileaks dump of John Podesta's e-mails. In it you'll read about those Goldman speeches and how you need a "public and a private" view on things.... Blegh.

My guess here is that 48% of the voters are committed one way or the other, and these skirmishes are just over the last 3% who will swing this election towards their favorite candidate. Unfortunately the choices before all voters are so difficult, this TI'er may just write in the "Sweet Meteor of Death". At least the SMoD is ready to make an extinction level impact on the electoral process....

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
One doesn't need a video to make an informed decision. So far no video has turned up on what was the "crime of the century", but I will bet a box of white house sourced, slightly inserted cigars that no one would be willing to rent a room to OJ Simpson while he continues to search for the real killers. Nope, there's enough information for people to put 1 + 1 + 1 together and still get 3, without an audio or video tape. Unfortunately for the Cheeto Faced Vulgarian, the media will never highlight Hillary's willful denigration of BC's victims.

Let's share your position, that an 11 year old video is continuing evidence of DT's state of mind right now towards women. If that's the case, it's only fair to assume that BC continues to be a sexual predator. Perhaps a quick googling of "Clinton Epstein" can shed some light on BC's 2002-2005 behavior - right at about the same time as DT's comments were made.  Again, I completely maintain that actions, not words, are what need to be the issue. The actions of Hillary in blameshifting first "vast right wing conspiracy" or calling Monica Lewinsky a "narcissistic loony toon" - until the blue stained dress proved otherwise - shows that her judgment is unfit for the Presidency. Ask Michelle Obama - If you can't run your own house, you certainly can't manage the White House"

Now, the MSM is sifting through old Howard Stern show tapes to cull the worst of DT's comments, and roll around in it pre-debate tomorrow. Meh, I say. We know DT's hardly a choirboy. We also know the Scabrous Gorgon is a clear and present danger with comments made only in the last few years! Dear reader, imagine if you did any of the things Hillary did with your E-mail and devices. What would your employment picture look like? If your last name is Clinton, you're afforded one set of rules. If your name is anything but, I hope you look good in Orange. I hear it's the new Black... Take a run through Wikileaks dump of John Podesta's e-mails. In it you'll read about those Goldman speeches and how you need a "public and a private" view on things.... Blegh.

My guess here is that 48% of the voters are committed one way or the other, and these skirmishes are just over the last 3% who will swing this election towards their favorite candidate. Unfortunately the choices before all voters are so difficult, this TI'er may just write in the "Sweet Meteor of Death". At least the SMoD is ready to make an extinction level impact on the electoral process....

My .02c
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Didn't Trump also hang out with Epstein on the Island?
 
I can't help but wonder if the RNC is meeting in secret to dump him and announce a 3rd party candidate next week.

Probably not, but here's to hoping.
 
Fuck Trump. He's an embarrassment not just to Republicans but to all Americans. He's finally getting the attention he deserves.
 
aquabliss said:
I can't help but wonder if the RNC is meeting in secret to dump him and announce a 3rd party candidate next week.

Probably not, but here's to hoping.
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It's a good theory.  I saw some conspiracy theory that certain people were warned about the microphone incident a few weeks ago but kept it from Trump.  Then they acted shocked yesterday.

If they can't get rid of him, then they still have to vote for him for the sake of the Supreme Court, trade, and immigration issues.
 
spootieho said:
aquabliss said:
I can't help but wonder if the RNC is meeting in secret to dump him and announce a 3rd party candidate next week.

Probably not, but here's to hoping.
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If they can't get rid of him, then they still have to vote for him for the sake of the Supreme Court, trade, and immigration issues.
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Agreed, at least for SCOTUS. That is the biggest (YUGE!) reason you'd support and vote for Trump. Trade? Trump isn't going to change a thing about trade - pure political rhetoric. Immigration? I could see the border security budget increasing dramatically, but we'll never waste billions building a bigger wall.
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
One doesn't need a video to make an informed decision. So far no video has turned up on what was the "crime of the century", but I will bet a box of white house sourced, slightly inserted cigars that no one would be willing to rent a room to OJ Simpson while he continues to search for the real killers. Nope, there's enough information for people to put 1 + 1 + 1 together and still get 3, without an audio or video tape. Unfortunately for the Cheeto Faced Vulgarian, the media will never highlight Hillary's willful denigration of BC's victims.

Let's share your position, that an 11 year old video is continuing evidence of DT's state of mind right now towards women. If that's the case, it's only fair to assume that BC continues to be a sexual predator. Perhaps a quick googling of "Clinton Epstein" can shed some light on BC's 2002-2005 behavior - right at about the same time as DT's comments were made.  Again, I completely maintain that actions, not words, are what need to be the issue. The actions of Hillary in blameshifting first "vast right wing conspiracy" or calling Monica Lewinsky a "narcissistic loony toon" - until the blue stained dress proved otherwise - shows that her judgment is unfit for the Presidency. Ask Michelle Obama - If you can't run your own house, you certainly can't manage the White House"

Now, the MSM is sifting through old Howard Stern show tapes to cull the worst of DT's comments, and roll around in it pre-debate tomorrow. Meh, I say. We know DT's hardly a choirboy. We also know the Scabrous Gorgon is a clear and present danger with comments made only in the last few years! Dear reader, imagine if you did any of the things Hillary did with your E-mail and devices. What would your employment picture look like? If your last name is Clinton, you're afforded one set of rules. If your name is anything but, I hope you look good in Orange. I hear it's the new Black... Take a run through Wikileaks dump of John Podesta's e-mails. In it you'll read about those Goldman speeches and how you need a "public and a private" view on things.... Blegh.

My guess here is that 48% of the voters are committed one way or the other, and these skirmishes are just over the last 3% who will swing this election towards their favorite candidate. Unfortunately the choices before all voters are so difficult, this TI'er may just write in the "Sweet Meteor of Death". At least the SMoD is ready to make an extinction level impact on the electoral process....

My .02c
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Fair analysis, but I completely disagree that actions matter more than words. That is patently false.
 
Perspective said:
Fair analysis, but I completely disagree that actions matter more than words. That is patently false.
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Your wife has sex with qwerty. 

vs.

Your wife says she fantasizes about sex with qwerty.


Actions don't matter more than words?
 
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