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73% of Republicans believe this election will be stolen from Trump.
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/17/don...-think-the-election-could-be-stolen-from-him/

Words matter. Trump's language has been consistently despicable from the moment he announced his candidacy. This will have long lasting consequences, not confined to the Republican party.

Will America ever recover from Donald Trump?http://theweek.com/articles/654890/america-ever-recover-from-donald-trump?yptr=yahoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kwp5_kAxIw
 
Kinda what I've been saying...

'Our polling methods are bunk': Political science professor says pollsters have NO IDEA who will vote in November

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by an average of 6.3 percent in surveys used in Real Clear Politics' projections
Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight says there's an 86.6 percent likelihood that Clinton will win; Trump has a 13.4 percent chance of pulling it off

Helmut Norpoth is a political science professor at Stony Brook University and an election forecaster whose model has  been correct since 1996
He's advising voters to 'hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet'
His model, based off of the candidates' primary performances, has Trump winning on Nov. 8; it's 87 percent certain


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3844002/Our-polling-methods-bunk-Political-science-professor-says-pollsters-NO-IDEA-vote-November.html
 
Fair enough - this pollster has a different method and has Trump winning. It's kind of funny that the premise of the article is set-up in the very first sentence establishing the strawman he'll knock down:

"A casual observer of national polling on the White House race might conclude that Hillary Clinton is the assured victor."
 
and then....

The betting pattern that signals a Trump presidency isn't as remote as the world thinks

William Hill slashes odds on Trump victory amid betting patterns eerily reminiscent of those seen in the lead up to the EU referendum

Despite a calamitous week of campaigning, betting markets on the US election are almost a mirror image of those on Britain?s EU referendum at this stage. And they could be pointing to a victory for Donald Trump.

It comes despite a campaign bedevilled and derailed by ugly accusations of sexual abuse on the part of Trump from a growing list of women, together with his claims that the election is somehow being ?rigged?.

William Hill?s spokesman and resident betting expert Graham Sharpe, an industry veteran of 44 years standing, said: ?It?s very, very similar to the Brexit vote. There is a metropolitan media bias that says Trump can?t win, but they can?t vote. In betting terms, this is not a done deal. I see parallels with the Brexit vote at this stage.?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/punters-rush-to-back-trump-despite-disastrous-week-of-campaigning-a7368196.html
 
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power
 
"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process, and I will not indulge it,? Rubio tells ABC News. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us." (Per abc article link below)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-rubio-talk-wikileaks-donald-trump/story?id=42895586

My comment: I think Rubio makes a good point, seems like Wikileaks is getting info from foreign governments which is interfering in this election. I would even go as far and say these hackers cause havoc with US companies and individuals.

SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power


 
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power

Why would the President be indicted for knowing the Secretary of State was using a private server for State Dept business?

If you're gonna float a conspiracy theory, develop it a little bit so that it's faintly plausible.
 
Perspective said:
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power

Why would the President be indicted for knowing the Secretary of State was using a private server for State Dept business?

If you're gonna float a conspiracy theory, develop it a little bit so that it's faintly plausible.

Good point.  I haven't done enough research to find out if the President was under oath or in what situation the President told the public,  But essentially he said he only found out about Hillary's private server from the news outlet when it aired and have no idea it was happening before.  If it was under oath, then it's possible right?

I remember the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky scandal...he was impeached not because he slept with another woman but because he lied under oath that he did it.  Not sure if it's related or not though, please educate
 
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Perspective said:
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power

Why would the President be indicted for knowing the Secretary of State was using a private server for State Dept business?

If you're gonna float a conspiracy theory, develop it a little bit so that it's faintly plausible.

Good point.  I haven't done enough research to find out if the President was under oath or in what situation the President told the public,  But essentially he said he only found out about Hillary's private server from the news outlet when it aired and have no idea it was happening before.  If it was under oath, then it's possible right?

I remember the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky scandal...he was impeached not because he slept with another woman but because he lied under oath that he did it.  Not sure if it's related or not though, please educate

Ah, if that were the case, then it makes for good political fodder, but isn't a crime.
 
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Perspective said:
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power

Why would the President be indicted for knowing the Secretary of State was using a private server for State Dept business?

If you're gonna float a conspiracy theory, develop it a little bit so that it's faintly plausible.

Good point.  I haven't done enough research to find out if the President was under oath or in what situation the President told the public,  But essentially he said he only found out about Hillary's private server from the news outlet when it aired and have no idea it was happening before.  If it was under oath, then it's possible right?

I remember the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky scandal...he was impeached not because he slept with another woman but because he lied under oath that he did it.  Not sure if it's related or not though, please educate

How come the part where he is acquitted always seems to be forgotten?
 
Regarding HRC's "email scandal," I think it can be summarized as two separate issues:

1) The use of private email/server clearly violated HRC's employer's policies and procedures, for which she could be disciplined up to termination.

2) The mishandling of classified information could result in criminal charges. Comey's testimony before Congress explains this in great detail.
 
eyephone said:
"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process, and I will not indulge it,? Rubio tells ABC News. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us." (Per abc article link below)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-rubio-talk-wikileaks-donald-trump/story?id=42895586

My comment: I think Rubio makes a good point, seems like Wikileaks is getting info from foreign governments which is interfering in this election. I would even go as far and say these hackers cause havoc with US companies and individuals.

SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power
So we should just ignore the information coming from Wikileaks?  No. Once the information is out there, it's good for us to know.

Well, yeah, team Hillary is ignoring it all which means the media and celebrities are ignoring it too.  Had the wikileaks been republican stuff, they would be all over it.
 
spootieho said:
eyephone said:
"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process, and I will not indulge it,? Rubio tells ABC News. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us." (Per abc article link below)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-rubio-talk-wikileaks-donald-trump/story?id=42895586

My comment: I think Rubio makes a good point, seems like Wikileaks is getting info from foreign governments which is interfering in this election. I would even go as far and say these hackers cause havoc with US companies and individuals.

SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power
So we should just ignore the information coming from Wikileaks?  No. Once the information is out there, it's good for us to know.

Well, yeah, team Hillary is ignoring it all which means the media and celebrities are ignoring it too.  Had the wikileaks been republican stuff, they would be all over it.

Do what you want? But you should also beware the information is coming from Russia.

 
spootieho said:
eyephone said:
"As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process, and I will not indulge it,? Rubio tells ABC News. "Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us." (Per abc article link below)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-rubio-talk-wikileaks-donald-trump/story?id=42895586

My comment: I think Rubio makes a good point, seems like Wikileaks is getting info from foreign governments which is interfering in this election. I would even go as far and say these hackers cause havoc with US companies and individuals.

SoclosetoIrvine said:
Take Wikileaks with a grain of salt, but recent wikileaks released yesterday revealed that March 2015 President Obama already knew about the private server for Hillary Clinton.  If he did know, they would have to indict the President possibly.  It was maybe for this reason that she wasn't indicted in the first place because too many higher ups in the White house would be questioned so he was forced to back her.  If true, they will do everything they can to get her into office so she can provide immunity to those involved etc...

obviously voting for trump as the alternative is a whole other can of worms, but interesting to think about at least with those in power
So we should just ignore the information coming from Wikileaks?  No. Once the information is out there, it's good for us to know.

Well, yeah, team Hillary is ignoring it all which means the media and celebrities are ignoring it too.  Had the wikileaks been republican stuff, they would be all over it.

Don't devolve into rhetoric. The "media" is not "ignoring it."
 
Hillary Clinton?s campaign
Hacked off

What looks like a Russian hack of the Clinton campaign chairman?s e-mail account would, in another year, be causing the candidate problems
Oct 15th 2016 | WASHINGTON, DC | From the print edition
http://www.economist.com/news/unite...inton-campaign-chairmans-e-mail-account-would

IF OPINION polls maintain current trends, the sounds of pursuit by Donald Trump will reach Hillary Clinton?s ears ever-more faintly as she enters the final straight of a long, slog of a race for the White House. But even if the Republican nominee continues to run out of puff (see Briefing) one last worry haunts Democrats: that Mrs Clinton, an uninspiring candidate lugging decades of political baggage, could still somehow slow and lose all by herself. Those concerns have not been eased by a remorseless, ongoing effort by WikiLeaks, an online clearing-house for leaked and hacked information, to load fresh baggage onto the Democratic nominee.

In recent days alone WikiLeaks has published thousands of e-mails that appear to have been hacked from the Gmail account of John Podesta, the chairman of Mrs Clinton?s presidential campaign and a former close aide to President Barack Obama. Though Mr Podesta has not confirmed the authenticity of individual documents, he told reporters aboard a campaign aeroplane that ?it doesn?t feel great? to have ten years of e-mails dumped into the public domain.

The stolen information includes politically awkward extracts from paid speeches given by Mrs Clinton to Wall Street banks and other deep-pocketed organisations, and which she steadfastly refused to make public during a drawn-out presidential primary fight against a left-wing populist challenger, Senator Bernie Sanders. Her yen for secrecy is explained by the extracts, flagged up in an internal campaign review of lines likely to make Democratic activists cross. They include praise for free trade, including Mrs Clinton?s dream of a common market throughout the Western hemisphere with ?open trade and open borders?. In another address Mrs Clinton ponders the unseemly business of law-making, citing Abraham Lincoln?s willingness to have ?both a public and a private position? on sensitive issues.

The hacked e-mails also reveal wrangling about how to minimise negative publicity around Mrs Clinton?s use of a private e-mail server to send and receive secret government information; internal discussions about how to handle touchy Democratic grandees (including at the Obama White House); the uselessness of sundry reporters; and how to finesse moderate policy positions liable to displease the party?s leftish activists. They include spats among members of the Clinton inner circle, as when Chelsea Clinton raises ?serious concerns? about a perception that a consulting firm was cashing in on its access to her father, former president Bill Clinton, blurring the lines between business, government and the family?s charitable arm, the Clinton Foundation. Yet mostly the impression is of political operatives doing what might be expected?being political. To date the revelations come closer to gossip than to the campaign-ending ?October surprise? that Clinton foes had been looking forward to.

Predictably in this age of canyon-deep political divisions, the actual content of the hacked e-mails is now being overshadowed by partisan squabbling about the motives of those who stole them and made them public, and about the honesty of the news organisations sifting through them and assessing their importance.

In July WikiLeaks released almost 20,000 e-mails from the accounts of officials at the Democratic National Committee, showing that the supposedly neutral party headquarters was rooting for Mrs Clinton to beat Mr Sanders?a not-very-startling revelation that led to the resignation of the DNC chairman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Hackers linked to Russian intelligence agencies were quickly accused of involvement. On October 7th the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, issued a remarkable statement declaring their confidence that the Russian government directed ?recent compromises of e-mails? of individuals and political organisations in order to ?interfere with the US election process?.

Mr Trump has pushed back on such findings, including in his most recent TV debate with Mrs Clinton, when he said that his opponent ?doesn?t know if it?s the Russians doing the hacking,? and speculated: ?Maybe there is no hacking.? Mr Podesta, in his airborne press briefing two days after that debate, said that the FBI is investigating a ?criminal hack? of his account, adding: ?Russian interference in this election and apparently on behalf of Trump is, I think, of the utmost concern to all Americans, whether you?re a Democrat or independent or Republican.? That vision of cross-party consensus is a trifle optimistic.

In a campaign rally in Florida, Mr Trump denounced Mrs Clinton?s leaked daydreaming about a common market of the Americas, declaring: ?American soldiers have fought and died to win and keep America?s freedom, and now Hillary Clinton wants to surrender that freedom to these open borders, open trade, and a world government.? Warming to his theme, he decided that the leaked e-mails confirm that Mrs Clinton is the ?vessel? of a ?criminal government cartel [that] doesn?t recognise borders but believes in global governance, unlimited immigration and rule by corporations.? Later, in an angry tweet, the Republican nominee accused news outlets of burying the story, grumbling: ?Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks. So dishonest! Rigged system!?

To simplify, Mr Trump has two main goals in these final weeks. First, to bring home unhappy voters who voted Republican in previous presidential contests but who loathe him: a group that notably includes educated white women in suburbia. Second, to depress Mrs Clinton?s support among Democrats and swing voters. Mr Trump?s rhetoric about hacked e-mails may help him with the second task, but does almost nothing to help with the first. Hence Mr Trump?s rage.
 
eyephone said:
Do what you want? But you should also beware the information is coming from Russia.
I don't think that is 100% certain.  It might be coming from Russia.

Is the information that is being published at least correct?  Is it lies by omission (something that our media does to us on a regular basis)? 
 
spootieho said:
eyephone said:
Do what you want? But you should also beware the information is coming from Russia.
I don't think that is 100% certain.  It might be coming from Russia.

Is the information that is being published at least correct?  Is it lies by omission (something that our media does to us on a regular basis)?

According to the this NBC article below. The White House has officially blamed Russia for the hacks. In addition, the article states US intelligence has been updating (classified briefings) to Congress.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-hack-u-s-politics-bigger-disclosed-includes-gop-n661866

 
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