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zubs said:
apnews.com

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S.
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AG Barr said no significant election interference during 2020 voting.
Trump lost in 2020.

Ivanka Trump said she accepted Barr's conclusion that the 2020 election wasn't stolen​


The guy can't lose properly so he is un electable. He hates America.
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The same Bill Barr that refused to investigate possible election fraud? I recall two instances but there are more that currently escape my memory:

1. Remember the tractor trailer filled with tens of thousands of completed ballots going from New York to Pennsylvania? Bill McSwaine, the US Attorney for the Eastern District of PA, wanted to investigate that. Barr told McSwaine to stop that investigation.
2. Larry Keefe, US Attorney for Northern District of Florida, wanted to investigate reports that Andrew Gillum was involved in election fraud. Barr ordered Keefe to shut down that investigation.

Jeff Clark had requested both Keefe and McSwaine to testify in his lawsuit but Biden's DOJ blocked both requests and the presiding judge sided with the DOJ. Watch what they do, not what they say.
 
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The same Bill Barr who was selected by Trump and bent over backwards for him during his service.
And the daughter who said she agreed with Barr.
They are both in Trumps team. Why would they lie?
Did Trump pick the wrong AG?
Why did Ivanka turn on daddy?

There was no tractor trailer full of ballots. It was a con like Trump.

AG Barr could not prosecute because there was no proof 2020 was stolen and unlike Trump, Barr has to follow the law.
VP Pence also had to follow the law and certify the results for a Biden win.

When it comes down to it, someone like Turmp can talk all the shit he wants, but if he was under oath, he would go to jail for his lies.
Why do you believe in anything coming out of his mouth? You know he's a con man and so does Ivanka and the rest of his cabinet.
 
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Why do you believe anything that comes out of any of these morons mouths? I’ve said it 100 times… I think they are ALL crooks and thieves and self interested egotists…Trump may be no better…but he’s no worse…. .My guys just tote a line I like better.😂😂😂😂👍🏽🍻🇺🇸
 
zubs said:
The same Bill Barr who was selected by Trump and bent over backwards for him during his service.
And the daughter who said she agreed with Barr.
They are both in Trumps team. Why would they lie?
Did Trump pick the wrong AG?
Why did Ivanka turn on daddy?

There was no tractor trailer full of ballots. It was a con like Trump.

AG Barr could not prosecute because there was no proof 2020 was stolen and unlike Trump, Barr has to follow the law.
VP Pence also had to follow the law and certify the results for a Biden win.

When it comes down to it, someone like Turmp can talk all the shit he wants, but if he was under oath, he would go to jail for his lies.
Why do you believe in anything coming out of his mouth? You know he's a con man and so does Ivanka and the rest of his cabinet.
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When you state there was no tractor trailer full of ballots, are you stating a fact or are you merely expressing your opinion?
 
morekaos said:
Why do you believe anything that comes out of any of these morons mouths? I’ve said it 100 times… I think they are ALL crooks and thieves and self interested egotists…Trump may be no better…but he’s no worse…. .My guys just tote a line I like better.😂😂😂😂👍🏽🍻🇺🇸
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Amazing the amount of ignorance and arrogance coming out of some people.
 
irvine buyer said:
Amazing the amount of ignorance and arrogance coming out of some people.
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Just being real. To think ones candidate really is honest, forthright and chaste is just a lie…all politicians are lying self interested egotists. Trump gets my job done though so he gets my support, so did Bush, Dole and even Reagan but be honest…they were all flawed men..I go for my own self interested policy…the vessels are really all the same🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂🇺🇸
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Wasn't this just paper waste? Simple Google says so.
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https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/what-happened-to-jesse-morgan-trailer/2020/12/03

Read the article. Driver described them as completed ballots. I recall that McSwaine and another guy were trying to get Jesse Morgan whistleblower protection when Barr ordered the investigation to be stopped.

Many media outlets tried to discredit Morgan and even go so far as to claim that he was paid by the Republican party (talk about conspiracy theories), but there is a sworn affidavit signed by Morgan stating what is in the article. In fact, there were many sworn affidavits regarding election irregularities in many states that were never investigated. Plausible deniability seemed to be the strategy.
 
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You should check multiple sources. From what I saw there were multiple video and images showing they were not completed ballots.

We see what we want to see.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
You should check multiple sources. From what I saw there were multiple video and images showing they were not completed ballots.

We see what we want to see.
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Would you be so kind as to provide a link to these videos and images you have seen. I have searched multiple ways using Google and do not see a single video or image showing the contents inside the trailer.

Common sense would have it that no such video or image exists unless it was taken when the trailer was picked up. I await your link.
 
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I doubt you will believe anything I find (morekaos always says the facts aren't really facts when it's contrary to *his* facts) but here you go:

www.politifact.com

No, these aren’t “shredded” ballot applications for Trump

Clips of a video inside the back of a tractor-trailer are being falsely used on social media to stoke a fear that people
www.politifact.com www.politifact.com

Obviously, your Baltimore Post link comes up when I search for "trailer full of ballots fact check" but that's what I mean when you have to read more than one or two articles.

This came up again in 2022 and it was again debunked:

www.politifact.com

Claims of huge transfer of fraudulent ballots are False

Recent Facebook posts sow doubt about next month’s midterm elections by relying on old misinformation from the 2020 pres
www.politifact.com www.politifact.com

And a list of other false claims about election fraud:

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www.factcheck.org

Again, it's much easier to spread misinformation than it is to actually check facts because conspiracies are viral by nature.

Just like people still believe we did not land on the moon or that 9/11 was planned by the US.
 
Here is another article:

lancasteronline.com

Jesse Morgan’s long, strange tale of thousands of mail-in ballots that allegedly went missing from Lancaster in Oct. 2020

Surely you remember Jesse Morgan, the York County resident who came forward in early December 2020 with a story about thousands of stolen mail-in ballots.
lancasteronline.com lancasteronline.com

If you aren't looking to challenge your assertion, you're not going to find any links for it.

The irony here is Trump was/is against mail-in ballots... yet it seems there was a concerted effort by the Republican party to encourage mail-in voting.

And again... electoral college is supposed to help prevent these shenanigans:

insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu

How the Electoral College May Curb Election Fraud

This distinctive aspect of American democracy has come under increased scrutiny. But the very quality that most vexes its critics comes with an underrecognized upside.
insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I doubt you will believe anything I find (morekaos always says the facts aren't really facts when it's contrary to *his* facts) but here you go:

www.politifact.com

No, these aren’t “shredded” ballot applications for Trump

Clips of a video inside the back of a tractor-trailer are being falsely used on social media to stoke a fear that people
www.politifact.com www.politifact.com

Obviously, your Baltimore Post link comes up when I search for "trailer full of ballots fact check" but that's what I mean when you have to read more than one or two articles.

This came up again in 2022 and it was again debunked:

www.politifact.com

Claims of huge transfer of fraudulent ballots are False

Recent Facebook posts sow doubt about next month’s midterm elections by relying on old misinformation from the 2020 pres
www.politifact.com www.politifact.com

And a list of other false claims about election fraud:

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www.factcheck.org

Again, it's much easier to spread misinformation than it is to actually check facts because conspiracies are viral by nature.

Just like people still believe we did not land on the moon or that 9/11 was planned by the US.
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LOL the person accusing me of spreading misinformation is the one claiming that there are videos and images online showing that the contents are not ballots. If you're referring to your first link, that fact check is not even talking about the Jesse Morgan trailer.

I originally read the LNP article as it was referenced by another article that I have looked for to post here but cannot find; so I will recount it. The reporter was made aware of the USPS issued report by the LNP article and had noted several inconsistencies in the report. The reporter sought to get clarification and the USPS invited the reporter to submit questions. The reporter stated that despite an invitation to submit questions, the USPS never responded to multiple follow-ups. I remember one of the questions was what was in the trailer if not ballots. I’m sure the USPS could have answered that question as they should know what is loaded in every trailer. It would be really simple for the USPS to put this issue to bed by addressing the questions this reporter had. It is this kind of behavior that causes people like me to suspect that someone is hiding something. On one hand you have a detailed sworn affidavit subject to perjury from the driver of the trailer and on the other hand you have the USPS not wanting to answer questions to clarify items in their report. I give more credibility to the driver hence my position.

In the aftermath of the attempted assassination, you have a similar situation arising. Butler PD has been very forthcoming and transparent in providing details that they are privy to. The USSS has not been transparent and is currently fighting an FOIA request. I certainly would give more credibility to Butler PD than to USSS if conflicting statements arise.

The problem with a lot of political fact checking is the amount of bias. There is so much spin and what facts get presented are massaged to arrive at a pre-determined outcome. Some like this fact check below are so outwardly biased that it’s gotten ridiculed. When this fact check first came out it was rated “mostly false”. It is now rated “mixture”.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/

The rating should be “true”. You can provide context if you wish but it doesn’t change the fact that Pelosi did say those words. As I’ve said before, most political fact checking is done to support narratives and political parties.

Facts are facts. There is no misinformation or disinformation. Only information. Our government uses these misinformation/disinformation concepts to control what people say as most people don't want to be labelled as such. In today's world, it is incumbent on me to do my research to arrive at my own conclusion. You may not agree with my conclusion but that is ok. This discourse used to be okay but has now gotten so toxic. Among the online forums I frequent, the nastiest comments come from people who hate Trump. They complain about Trump's rhetoric but don't realize they act the same way.
 
As I said... I knew you wouldn't believe it. My first link specifically talks about the posts concerning ballots from a "tractor trailer". Is there a different trailer? That link contains images from the videos that supposedly proves they were completed ballots. But completed ballots won't have an advertisement from a candidate on them.

Also, my 3rd link, if you read it, goes into the inconsistencies of Morgan's story and the ensuing investigation did not prove his claims.

From the information I have read, there is no definitive proof that those were actual ballots. Sounds like you are just going by what you read on the forums you frequent. And if you look at TI, there is one particular member who is posts the most divisive comments against the left so it's from both sides.

Yes, facts are facts. And yes, there is misinformation on BOTH sides. But what you are posting is not a fact. You need to recognize that... it's your opinion.
 
With all due respect, I did watch that video in the first link. The document in the person's hand is a PA application for mail-in ballot. NOT a completed mail in ballot which is what Jessie Morgan stipulated he was transporting. That video is dated Oct 7, 2020 before Morgan's October 21st incident so definitely not the same.
 
But that's what I'm trying to say, the misinformation posts were trying to use that video to prove they were ballots. You just agreed with me.

So... given there was no video proof that they were ballots, what is the next thing we do to find out what really happened? Look at timelines, location of Morgan's supposed "truck trailer", investigate his assertions etc. That's what the 3rd link does and this it what it concludes:


Postal workers in Bethpage told investigators they saw only a few hundred mail-in ballots through the entire fall. The facility mainly processes packages, not envelopes. And no one in Harrisburg or Lancaster backed up Morgan’s claim about thousands of ballots being in his load.

As for Morgan’s favorite trailer, the investigators obtained GPS data that showed trailer 10R-1440 was actually en route from Florida to Pennsylvania and was somewhere in the Carolinas on Oct. 21, not on the back of Morgan’s truck. And contrary to Morgan’s assertion that he always drove the same trailer, 10R-1440, the investigators found that he used six different trailers during the month of October.

The trailer that Morgan drove to Bethpage that day was never missing, the investigators also found. Shortly after Morgan parked it in Lancaster, a different driver took it to Harrisburg, where it was unloaded and processed the same night. All of the mail was accounted for.

In the end, the inspector general’s report said the joint investigation “could not corroborate” Morgan’s story. “The investigation is complete and submitted for closure,” the report concludes.


To me, sounds like Morgan making up stuff to support unproven claims of election fraud.

Sounds like Morgan was just saying things were done and they weren't really done... so yes... I'm looking at what he "did".
 
Not sure if you know the consequences if caught lying on a sworn affidavit. People don't do that if they are making stuff up. Plus the harassment and death threats he received. Interesting that your default position is that the USPS report is 100% factual. I'm glad you are so trusting of our government agencies. That is where you and I differ.

Questions I would have is why the Harrisburg load was not dropped off before Morgan drove to Lancaster and why was he not notified when his trailer was driven back to Harrisburg? If all the mail was accounted for, tell us what was in the mail if it wasn't ballots? Like I stated earlier, a reporter got ghosted after asking questions that the USPS didn't want to answer. The USPS could easily have said that the claimed ballots were not in the trailer. The way its worded the entire trailer could have been full of completed ballots and it would still be a true statement to say all of the mail was accounted for.

As for the first sentence .... huh? The claim being fact checked was "Shredded Pennsylvania Mail in ballot Applications were discovered in a trailer. The applications were for @realDonaldTrump.” It references ballot applications. Nothing that I have talked about with regard to Jessie Morgan's trailer even mentions ballot applications. I'm guessing you confused the two and assumed it was one in the same. But if you want the last word have at it. I'm done with going back and forth with this.
 
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Again... was there some other trailer?

It's okay... you can be done, but with lack of proof you have to go to "there was no trailer"" as zubs said.

BTW: The reason why sites like Politifacts exist is because they are supposed to be independent and backed by non-partisan research. They have articles debunking "facts" from both sides. If, like morekaos, you don't want to believe them, that's on you.. but I think they are more reputable than random Facebook posts or viral threads on online forums.
 
If Ivanka doesn't trust her dad...I don't either.
What more do you need?

By the way, Kamala is a dipshit...but Trump is a super dipshit....
 
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