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ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
I mean I mostly agree with you, but Trump has enacted more socialist tax policies than any democrat has in my lifetime.
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Based on your earlier post, I assume you are referring to the SALT cap, which most affected higher income taxpayers living in states with high state income tax rates as well as those paying high property taxes. I feel your pain as it affects me as well. If that bothers you, then the freebies being handed out by Democrats in our state should bother you as well. I haven't looked at recent stats but California has been the number one state in welfare spending and that is reflected in the high state income tax rates levied on higher income California residents.

Take this state welfare model, apply it to the federal level, and that's what you can expect from the Harris/Walz presidency. Do you think your Federal income tax rates would go up or down in that scenario? There's a video of Harris explaining the concept of equality vs equity. While she believes some people need more to get them to equal (equity), both paths lead to the same end game ..... you will be paying a lot more to subsidize people who as you mentioned are already not paying their fair share.
 
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irvinehomeowner said:
Regardless of party, I wouldn't mind a female president.
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I hear this a lot. What I don't hear is the follow up: "Why?". Can you give a few reasons why a chromosomal difference is more important than competence? (I acknowledge that both of the current candidates are incompetent, but they are what we have to work with)

There have been competent female rulers - Elizabeth (I and II) as well as Victoria - but what makes a female leader superior in today's world? I'd like to know.
 
Same reason why people wanted Trump as a businessman vs a politician.

It may or may not be superior (as we found out), but it's different and lends to equality.

And through diversity that's how we improve ourselves.

Simple concept.
 
But all women running are politicians - Warren, Harris, Clinton, et al. Is there a non politician female you'd like to see run the country?

If "diversity" was of any national benefit The Balkans and South Africa would both be superpowers. How did diversity work out for them? Monocultures like Saudi or Best Korea have huge problems as well, but wield terrific global influences don't they? Another monoculture, Japan, is a good example of how "diversity" can be a bad thing. They may have a declining native population, but they are on whole stabile as a society - unlike Diverse France and the Diverse UK right now.

The opposite of diversity is our national motto: E Pluribus Unum - Out of Many, One. Political diversity-ista proponents dream of a nation of "Hyphenated Americans", rather than being an "American, of African Descent, or American, of Chinese Descent (you fill in the people group of your choice here) missing the value of national identity - of course not "melanin count identity" which is simply racism by another name and practice.

Diversity simply for Diversity sake is a road to ruin IMHO. Assumed (and/or demonstrative) Competence is the best we can do right now with the choices in front of us today.
 
You are being purposely obtuse when I know you understand what I am saying.

It's not just for the sake of diversity.

I can play the same game and say that's the problem with Trump... some good because he's not like politicians, but some (or many) bad because he's an egomaniacal business person. But... you can admit that his non-typical tactics are what many are drawn to. And just like your examples, I can say it didn't work out as well as was hoped. In fact, i still believe it's because of him there is more divisiveness now that there has been in a long time.

Nothing has indicated to me that Kamala is any worse than Trump at running the country. Is there better? Probably. If the Republicans had put up a female candidate over Trump, I would certainly consider her over Kamala.

You can't say your examples prove anything because foreign government systems are not the same as the US.

So let me revise my statement... it would be good to have a qualified female as president.
 
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I like the Buckley quote about competence in politics, saying "I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the telephone directory than by the Harvard University Faculty". Perhaps someday we can gets that sort of "randomly assigned temporary representative Republic (not a pure Democracy)" going.

I asked for a name of some female leader you'd like to see running the nation.

Here's mine: Lynsi Snyder, CEO and Owner of In-N-Out. She knows how to maintain a business with high quality standards, has deep ethical convictions demonstrated in her charitable foundations, and knows when and where to grow the business profitably instead of overshooting the market for the singular purpose of profiteering. I have no idea of her politics, but she runs a tight ship.
 
Somewhere along the transition from “melting pot” to “salad bowl”, identity politics took a turn to outer space.
 
irvine buyer said:
Based on your earlier post, I assume you are referring to the SALT cap, which most affected higher income taxpayers living in states with high state income tax rates as well as those paying high property taxes. I feel your pain as it affects me as well. If that bothers you, then the freebies being handed out by Democrats in our state should bother you as well. I haven't looked at recent stats but California has been the number one state in welfare spending and that is reflected in the high state income tax rates levied on higher income California residents.

Take this state welfare model, apply it to the federal level, and that's what you can expect from the Harris/Walz presidency. Do you think your Federal income tax rates would go up or down in that scenario? There's a video of Harris explaining the concept of equality vs equity. While she believes some people need more to get them to equal (equity), both paths lead to the same end game ..... you will be paying a lot more to subsidize people who as you mentioned are already not paying their fair share.
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Look, I hate everything the progressives *say* about equity and all that.

However, welcome to reality: Donald Trumps tax policies have been more progressive and hurt more upper middle class Californians, than any other previous tax policy to come out by democrats.

You cannot argue that. It's just a fact. You're trying to tell me what *might* happen and I'm telling you what actually happened.
 
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
Look, I hate everything the progressives *say* about equity and all that.

However, welcome to reality: Donald Trumps tax policies have been more progressive and hurt more upper middle class Californians, than any other previous tax policy to come out by democrats.

You cannot argue that. It's just a fact. You're trying to tell me what *might* happen and I'm telling you what actually happened.
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Sorry, you could not be more wrong. Only a Democrat would lie that "tax cuts hurt."

The bottom 50% of taxpayers pay about 7.3% of federal income taxes collected.
The tax cuts returned a higher percentage of taxes to the lower brackets in complete contradiction of Democrats' foul lies. Just because the "poor" pay so little in taxes, don't expect them to get back the lion's share that they never paid.

This confirms the lie of "tax cuts for the rich" whose cuts were far smaller percentages than lower income brackets.

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StarmanMBA said:
Sorry, you could not be more wrong.

The bottom 50% of taxpayers pay about 7.3% of federal income taxes collected.
The tax cuts returned a higher percentage of taxes to the lower brackets in complete contradiction of Democrats' foul lies. Just because the "poor" pay so little in taxes, don't expect them to get back the lion's share that they never paid.

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You proved my point with your chart. DT gave a bigger tax cut to people lower in the tax bracket and I pay more in taxes. Did you post the wrong chart?
 
Kalapa said:
Man, even Joe Rogan and Nick Fuentes have abandoned Trump. It’s not looking good boys. That’s what happens when you get support from a bunch of grifters. They’re not in it for an ideological stance or concerned about governance, they’re just in it to make money. Once they sniff out the gravity has shifted, they abandon ship.

Policy issues are great to debate over and are healthy in a thriving Democracy.

However, they are completely irrelevant in this contest, where one of the parties has openly expressed multiple times they want to be a King. The guy literally tried to overthrow the government.

Your voice won’t matter. Even if you think that’s “your guy”, it won’t work that way. The policy becomes whatever the King says it is.

Look at the dictators Trump admires - Kim Jong Un, Putin, el-Sisi, or Emperor Xi. All have made catastrophically bad, unilateral economic choices. China had embraced open reforms and created one of the greatest economic miracles in history, only to squander it due to concentrating power in the hands of one person. The other 3 are basket cases. Alt-right fanboy favorite Russia has a smaller economy than US States and is falling off a cliff with 18% inflation and depleted reserves.

The bottom line is the greatest economic systems have always been driven by Democracy. That was true in Ancient Greece, and it’s true today. You want to make money, you vote for Democracy, not a criminal wannabe dictator.
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If the Democrat elite really believed in democracy, Bernie Sanders would have been the presidential nominee in 2016 and either Bernie or Pete Buttigieg would have been the nominee in 2020. And Kama Kameleon, who did not win one single delegate in 2020 before suspending her campaign, would certainly not be the current presumptive nominee.
 
"Your voice won't matter..." Truer words have never been said.

When did you vote for Harris? As a Senator, yes? As a Presidential Primary candidate? Nope. Biden was the only choice as VP's are not chosen by primary.

I had so hoped to see a Trump / Sanders 2016 battle, but as we know the majority of voices did not matter to those on that side of the aisle.

BTW, we are a Representative Republic, not a Democracy. We both may convincing argue we are today more of an Oligarchy, but that's more the subject of another thread.
 
ThirtySomethingWEquity said:
Let's keep in mind, Trump's tax policy raised taxes on upper middle class Californians so he could give a tax break to the poorest people who are already not paying their fair share (by doubling the standard deduction).

So in my lifetime, Trump has enacted the most socialist tax policies thus far, so I definitely won't be voting for him.
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Well Kamala wants to charge a 4% tax on income over 100k at the federal level. https://taxfoundation.org/blog/kamala-harris-tax-proposals-2024/

I will vote for whoever removes the SALT cap. I don't care about identity politics and nor do I care about all the petty arguments that don't relate to policies.
 
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Vote for woke insanity, two communists to the left of Bernie Sanders, tampons in schoolboys' restrooms, more hundreds of millions to our Islamic terrorist enemies, outrageous gasoline prices, inflation, and federal debt, 10,000,000 more illegals welcomed to America to VOTE !!!

Never in my long life have I seen Democrats, the party of slavery, so extreme, so hateful, so damaging, so wrong.
 
Illegally.

Registering to vote is simple. There are many organizations out there eager to help anyone register. No ID is needed in many states, so once you are registered,the door is wide open to do so. The State of Virginia just scrubbed many of the deceased voters, relocated voters, and about 6000 illegals off their voter rolls.
www.newsleader.com

Virginia Gov. Youngkin codifies election security measures that were already in place

Youngkin’s Executive Order 35 codifies the use of paper ballots in Virginia’s elections and is meant to ensure “noncitizens” are disqualified from voting.
www.newsleader.com

If you search on this subject you'll see screaming headlines about 3400 "legal voters" we're also purged but also later restored restored - as per the hard left Axios site
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/youngkin-virginia-voting-felons-restore-rights-election

Here's one from Ohio:




I love how these once unregistered felons in Georgia are described as likely Democrat voters by activists in the piece. The Tang Menace is a Democrat? News to me.
 
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