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I thought Comey did a great job.  He was believable and non-partisan.  He threw both parties under the bus where they belong.  I'd vote for president Comey like Mccain suggested.
 
zubs said:
I thought Comey did a great job.  He was believable and non-partisan.  He threw both parties under the bus where they belong.  I'd vote for president Comey like Mccain suggested.
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Agree here. Straight shooter and really just gave a peak onto the corruption of our officials. Lol
 
Loco_local said:
senior FBI leader just got caught leaking to the press. 
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Comey was already fired and not a government employee when his notes were given to the press, so by definition, there was no leaking involved. I find it quite telling that the only person willing to defend the President on television is the known lying thug Lewandowski. There is absolutely no credibility left from anyone who is associated with Trump.
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You didn't get what I was saying.  Either Comey perjured himself or another senior FBI official did the leaking that led to the May 11 NY Times story prior to Trump's tweet on May 12th.

After I wrote that comment, I read the NY Times story which quotes "several people close to [Comey] on the condition that they not discuss it publicly while he was F.B.I. director".  This opens up a third possibility that Comey shared the information with his friends, and allowed them to do the leaking upon his firing from the FBI.

Here is the May 11th NY Times story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html
 
morekaos said:
The fact he leaked as a private citizen may be worse.  He testified he typed his notes immediate following his meeting on his Government issued FBI encrypted lap top.  That is now government property.  If he then transposed that information and released it to a third party thats illegal leaking.
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Only if it was deemed classified, which it was not.
 
Not so...

In fact, there was a great deal wrong with their release, and Comey likely knew it. These were documents prepared on an FBI computer addressing a highly sensitive investigation on facts that he considered material to that investigation. Indeed, he conveyed that information confidentially to his top aides and later said that he wanted the information to be given to the special counsel because it was important to the investigation.

Many in the media have tried to spin this as not a ?leak? because leaks by definition only involve classified information. That is entirely untrue as shown by history. Leaks involve the release of unauthorized information ? not only classified information. Many of the most important leaks historically have involved pictures and facts not classified but embarrassing to a government. More importantly, federal regulations refer to unauthorized disclosures not just classified information.

Comey?s position would effectively gut a host of federal rules and regulations. He is suggesting that any federal employee effectively owns documents created during federal employment in relation to an ongoing investigation so long as they address the information to themselves. FBI agents routinely write such memos in investigations. They are called 302s to memorialize field interviews or fact acquisitions. They are treated as FBI information.

The Justice Department routinely claims such memos as privileged and covered by the deliberative process privilege and other privileges. Indeed, if this information were sought under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) it would likely have been denied. Among other things, the Justice Department and FBI routinely claim privilege ?inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency.?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/337160-opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey

 
morekaos said:
Not so...

In fact, there was a great deal wrong with their release, and Comey likely knew it. These were documents prepared on an FBI computer addressing a highly sensitive investigation on facts that he considered material to that investigation. Indeed, he conveyed that information confidentially to his top aides and later said that he wanted the information to be given to the special counsel because it was important to the investigation.

Many in the media have tried to spin this as not a ?leak? because leaks by definition only involve classified information. That is entirely untrue as shown by history. Leaks involve the release of unauthorized information ? not only classified information. Many of the most important leaks historically have involved pictures and facts not classified but embarrassing to a government. More importantly, federal regulations refer to unauthorized disclosures not just classified information.

Comey?s position would effectively gut a host of federal rules and regulations. He is suggesting that any federal employee effectively owns documents created during federal employment in relation to an ongoing investigation so long as they address the information to themselves. FBI agents routinely write such memos in investigations. They are called 302s to memorialize field interviews or fact acquisitions. They are treated as FBI information.

The Justice Department routinely claims such memos as privileged and covered by the deliberative process privilege and other privileges. Indeed, if this information were sought under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) it would likely have been denied. Among other things, the Justice Department and FBI routinely claim privilege ?inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency.?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/337160-opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey
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And there are plenty of arguments to be equally made about whistelblower protections and information that is a "matter of public concern".

 
peppy said:
morekaos said:
Not so...

In fact, there was a great deal wrong with their release, and Comey likely knew it. These were documents prepared on an FBI computer addressing a highly sensitive investigation on facts that he considered material to that investigation. Indeed, he conveyed that information confidentially to his top aides and later said that he wanted the information to be given to the special counsel because it was important to the investigation.

Many in the media have tried to spin this as not a ?leak? because leaks by definition only involve classified information. That is entirely untrue as shown by history. Leaks involve the release of unauthorized information ? not only classified information. Many of the most important leaks historically have involved pictures and facts not classified but embarrassing to a government. More importantly, federal regulations refer to unauthorized disclosures not just classified information.

Comey?s position would effectively gut a host of federal rules and regulations. He is suggesting that any federal employee effectively owns documents created during federal employment in relation to an ongoing investigation so long as they address the information to themselves. FBI agents routinely write such memos in investigations. They are called 302s to memorialize field interviews or fact acquisitions. They are treated as FBI information.

The Justice Department routinely claims such memos as privileged and covered by the deliberative process privilege and other privileges. Indeed, if this information were sought under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) it would likely have been denied. Among other things, the Justice Department and FBI routinely claim privilege ?inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency.?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/337160-opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey
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And there are plenty of arguments to be equally made about whistelblower protections and information that is a "matter of public concern".
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I heard about that also.
 
morekaos said:
America is getting greater and greater every day, now.

Foxconn CEO says US display plant could top $7 billion

The world's largest contract electronics maker is considering setting up a display-making plant in the United States.

Gou said he told Son that the United States has no panel-making industry but it is the second-largest market for televisions. An investment for a display plant would exceed $7 billion and could create about 30,000-50,000 jobs, Gou told Son.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/104233688
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So much winning!!! This was called impossible under Obama.

White House to announce Apple-supplier Foxconn manufacturing plant in Wisconsin on Wednesday: Source

Paul Ryan, R-Wis., will also be present, a source said.
Foxconn is also known as Hon Hai Precision.
It is unclear if Apple is involved in Wednesday's announcement.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/26/trump-scott-walker-to-reveal-foxconn-factory-plans-in-wisconsin.html

How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work


Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few
are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other
products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas.
Why can?t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.
Mr. Jobs?s reply was unambiguous. ?Those jobs aren?t coming back,? he said,
according to another dinner guest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html
 
This is actually made possible with both advances in automation and Foxconn's investments in the technology.  Previously Foxconn was dependent on cheap assembly line labor in China, like Japanese hard drive makers were dependent on Philippine labor.

When they were initially discussing bringing iPhone assembly jobs to US, someone estimated "up to 50,000 jobs" could be created.  Now it's down to "10,000 jobs".
https://9to5mac.com/2016/05/25/foxconn-robots-replace-workers/

 
At some point those factories will bring nearly no jobs.  At that point, we will want them in other countries where they can pollute and use up the resources of the other countries as they bring nearly no net jobs locally.
 
spootieho said:
At some point those factories will bring nearly no jobs.  At that point, we will want them in other countries where they can pollute and use up the resources of the other countries as they bring nearly no net jobs locally.
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Well that's far out
 
LOL.. that was good.

I used to watch a lot of CNN.. now I find it unbearable.  It's really the Trump News Network. 

Bombs are flying.. people are dying.. and we are more in tuned with Trumps tweets.. SAD!  ;)
 
spootieho said:
At some point those factories will bring nearly no jobs.  At that point, we will want them in other countries where they can pollute and use up the resources of the other countries as they bring nearly no net jobs locally.
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That's further down the road, there's a certain order to the job loss.  Consider modern ATM machines (IBM 2984) was installed in 1970s and has not completely replaced bank tellers.  As matter of fact, in 1990s I got certified in IBM OS/2 because majority of ATM's ran OS/2, and I was looking to get a job as ATM tech with a major bank.

What the ATM technology did was reduce the number of bank teller jobs and created fewer IT and field service jobs.  For a time, ATM techs made decent, living wages with full benefits until the 2000's, when they were out-sourced to lowest bidding contractors with low pay and fewer benefits.  On the back-end, server related jobs were out-sourced to IBM or Dell (NTT Data)'s India shop, and Dev/QA jobs to India (TCS) or Eastern Europe (EPAM).

Eventually, when these jobs could be cheaply automated or replaced by AI, the humans will be laid off gradually as well.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-outsourcing-middle-class-jobs-20160630-snap-story.html

"Alfredo Molena made a middle-class living repairing bank ATMs in Los Angeles, despite being a high school dropout and immigrant from El Salvador.

By 2000 he was earning about $45,000 a year, enough to support his wife and two children in a spacious apartment and take periodic vacations to El Salvador and Hawaii. He had health insurance, a matching 401(k) plan, and a company-supplied cellphone and vehicle. But it all unraveled in 2005 after his employer, Bank of America, subcontracted the work to Diebold Inc., a firm specializing in servicing ATMs."

(In 1997, the starting pay for a ATM tech working for banks was about $30K in Los Angles.  Today it's about $25K or $12/hr for newbie, or $30K/$15 per HR if you have 2-5+ years of experience, working for out-source firm.  Luckily I went to work as IT contractor for Gas Company back then and made $22/hr).
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-infosys-jobs-20170502-story.html

"Infosys' U.S. outposts are to focus on technology and innovation, including artificial intelligence, digital technologies and big data, serving companies spanning a variety of industries such as financial services, manufacturing and pharma."


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As humans we tend to Anthropomorphize non-human machines into androids that confirm to our fetishes.  Like Gemma Chan from AMC's "HUM?NS", or more recently HBO's "Westworld".  In reality the technology is much more sinister, sneaking into our homes little at a time from iRobot vacuums to amazon echo's performing open surveillance on you.

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