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Interested to see what you guys thought of today's hearing. 

I didn't see a smoking gun.. nor anything to really go after trump on other than the fact that he is a douchebag and doesn't know the rules of engagement. 
 
So far Comey has presented only a "he said / he said" statements which remain zero reason to prosecute. That goes as well for Loretta Lynch stuff. No witnesses. No corroboration, no actionable evidence.

He was dumb enough to pass along confidential information to someone other than the press. These notes were written while he was a government employee and possibly on a government issued laptop - which then means it couldn't be leaked without penalty. Had he given it to the NYT he'd be covered (perhaps) as a whistle blower.

In 6 months, as you head through the golden arches drive through, a familiar voice will pierce through the two way speaker asking "Do you also want Freedom Fries with your Big Fat Nothing Burger?".

My .02c

SGIP
 
Additionally, he CONFIRMED Trumps allegation that he told him he was not under direct investigation three times!! Exactly what Trump said happened.
 
What a waste of time. Reminds me of when the gop was after slick willy bill Clinton.
 
And as an extra bonus he implicated his former boss, Loretta Lynch had crafted messaging and coordinated it with the Clinton campaign to try and minimize the criminal investigation of Hillarys emails by wording it as a matter and not an open, criminal  investigation.  He was too cowardly to stand up to her so he released it as she dictated but admitted the press saw through it immediately  Talk about tampering?
 
Nothing will happen to Trump, other than greatly weakening his chances for four more years.  That was already in doubt anyways because of his age. 
 
Comey made some mistakes I believe:

-He admitted to doing Loretta Lynch's bidding by referring to Hillary Clinton's email investigation as a "matter" instead of a "criminal investigation" when testifying to Congress.  This shows that Comey isn't the Boy Scout he is portraying himself to be.  He most certainly will act politically when it benefits himself or the FBI to do so.  I suspect this is why he didn't make a big deal at the time about Trump "hoping" he would go easy on Mike Flynn, but only released this conversation after his firing to portray himself as the good guy standing up to a scheming President.

-He admitted to having his friend act as a leaker to the NY Times.  Is this the example he wants to set for FBI agents?  Again, he's no Boy Scout.

-He claims that he asked Jeff Sessions to serve as a buffer between he and Trump, but later admitted to speaking with Trump by phone directly on two occasions, presumably without Jeff Sessions present.  This undermines his story.

-He admitted that even if the President had directly ordered him to drop the Flynn investigation it would have been perfectly legal.  Trump wasn't under investigation, so it wouldn't have been obstruction of justice.  Yet Trump didn't do that.  By all accounts Trump isn't one to beat around the bush when speaking, but for some reason everybody thinks he was acting Machiavellian by saying he "hoped" Comey would let it go.  If they were in the room alone together and it wasn't illegal for Trump to do so, why wouldn't he have just said "I want you to drop this Flynn investigation".

-Comey knew the Russian dossier had been leaked to the media and briefed Trump on it before it went public.  How did Comey know it had been leaked?  Either he knows who leaked it or they have a bug in the newsrooms of our major media outlets.  If he knows who leaked it, why isn't that person being investigated and prosecuted?

-Comey somehow knew that Jeff Sessions would recuse himself from the Russia investigation weeks before it was announced.  How did he know that?

AND NOW THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM:

-If Comey believed that Trump was obstructing justice, why didn't he tender his resignation immediately?  Instead, he stayed on the job with no plans to vacate his position.  This doesn't fit with his prior pattern of threatening to resign over disagreements with the Bush administration concerning the wiretapping of US citizens.  There are only two possible explanations:  Either Comey has been corrupted and was acting in his own political best interests this time around or he is a Boy Scout and legitimately doesn't believe Trump was obstructing justice.

 
spootieho said:
morekaos said:
Big fat nothing cheeseburger!!
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They will find a way.



The thing with a witch hunt is, if you are persistent enough, you will find something that you can use.
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Almost zero percent chance this happens.
 
jmoney74 said:
Almost zero percent chance this happens.
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Liar Loan said:
-He admitted that even if the President had directly ordered him to drop the Flynn investigation it would have been perfectly legal.  Trump wasn't under investigation, so it wouldn't have been obstruction of justice. 
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You can obstruct an investigation that is not about yourself.
 
I just learned one thing.. well it was already known, Washington is one dirty place. 
 
peppy said:
Liar Loan said:
-He admitted that even if the President had directly ordered him to drop the Flynn investigation it would have been perfectly legal.  Trump wasn't under investigation, so it wouldn't have been obstruction of justice. 
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You can obstruct an investigation that is not about yourself.
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I'm talking about from the perspective of motive.  It was widely implied by the media that Trump was under investigation by the FBI, which would have given him a clear motive to obstruct justice, but since Trump had already been informed by Comey that he wasn't being investigated, there's no smoking gun.  Trump might like Flynn and think he's a nice guy, but he isn't going to stick his neck out for him by ordering Comey to drop the investigation.

The reason there was so much hype for today's hearing is that everybody expected Comey to dispute Trump's firing memo by saying that he never told him he wasn't being investigated.  That would have shown that Trump was acting in his own self-interest and had a reason to obstruct the investigation.
 
Liar Loan said:
peppy said:
Liar Loan said:
-He admitted that even if the President had directly ordered him to drop the Flynn investigation it would have been perfectly legal.  Trump wasn't under investigation, so it wouldn't have been obstruction of justice. 
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You can obstruct an investigation that is not about yourself.
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I'm talking about from the perspective of motive.  It was widely implied by the media that Trump was under investigation by the FBI, which would have given him a clear motive to obstruct justice, but since Trump had already been informed by Comey that he wasn't being investigated, there's no smoking gun.  Trump might like Flynn and think he's a nice guy, but he isn't going to stick his neck out for him by ordering Comey to drop the investigation.

The reason there was so much hype for today's hearing is that everybody expected Comey to dispute Trump's firing memo by saying that he never told him he wasn't being investigated.  That would have shown that Trump was acting in his own self-interest and had a reason to obstruct the investigation.
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I didn't expect much to happen in this hearing since most of the stuff was already out there. It's now up to Mueller to see where this end up going (and he requested all of Comey's notes so it seems that this is not water under the bridge at this point). There's also way more on his plate than this alleged incident of obstruction of justice.

What I found the most perplexing out of the hearings was that the administration had zero interest in looking at the meddling of a foreign power in our elections. 



 
Another Comey mistake:

-He may have lied under oath about the timing and reasons for leaking his memo to the NY Times.  Comey claims the tweet on May 12th is what inspired him to leak to the NY Times and he released his memo notes to them four days later on May 16th.  However, the newspaper ran an article one day before Trump's tweet, on May 11th, quoting Comey's account in the leaked memo.  Either Comey is lying under oath about his reasons and timing for leaking the memo, or one of a handful of other senior FBI leaders that were briefed on the story beat Comey to the punch by leaking to the press.  Either way, somebody did something illegal.  Either Comey is guilty of perjury or a senior FBI leader just got caught leaking to the press. 

My bet is on Comey lying under oath to maintain his Boy Scout image.  If he leaked to the press without some kind of provocation from Trump, it would look like petty retaliation on his part for being fired.
 
senior FBI leader just got caught leaking to the press. 
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Comey was already fired and not a government employee when his notes were given to the press, so by definition, there was no leaking involved. I find it quite telling that the only person willing to defend the President on television is the known lying thug Lewandowski. There is absolutely no credibility left from anyone who is associated with Trump.
 
The fact he leaked as a private citizen may be worse.  He testified he typed his notes immediate following his meeting on his Government issued FBI encrypted lap top.  That is now government property.  If he then transposed that information and released it to a third party thats illegal leaking.
 
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