Woman divorces husband of 22 years because he voted for Trump:
http://www.businessinsider.com/cali...band-because-he-voted-for-donald-trump-2017-2
http://www.businessinsider.com/cali...band-because-he-voted-for-donald-trump-2017-2
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He's finally free. He doesn't have to censor himself anymore around that brainwashed socialist.
I'm glad that my wife has the same views as I do. Hers are a little more polarized than mine, but no tension. I have a few friends who's wives have been completely manipulated by the hate machine. They wont speak their minds in front of their wives. I feel bad for them that they have to censor themselves, but at least they some friends that they can shoot the shit with.
I wouldn't say the person is a racist, but I would say that the statement is racist. I would also add sexist and ageist to that because I blame old, white men more than white women.
Now that I have agreed with your assertion of racism, do you agree with my assertion of racism?
In 2014, Intel announced it would postpone the facility's opening amid decreased global demand for its products. As Intel invests in Arizona, it?s also likely to retire older facilities in other areas ? including perhaps an aging factory in Rio Rancho, N.M., said Jim McGregor, an analyst at Tirias Research in Phoenix.
Intel joined more than 100 companies to file a legal brief opposing Trump?s Jan. 27 executive order, which barred entrants to the United States from seven majority-Muslim countries.
The media doesn't say it, but I will.
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/...q-refugee-program-six-months-terrorism-fears/
It's certainly better than what we got from the Obama job creation "investments".... no jobs and a half a billion dollar losss to the taxpayer...ii like Trumps plan better
https://youtu.be/KYiJ-_K9NCo
Why do you blame old white men and not old white women?
I find it highly effective for women to grab my crotch. It tells me that sex is immediately inevitable.
When I grab crotch... 66% positive result. Begin sexing.
33% rejection: I'm tired, I have my period, I got gas I worked to hard today.
That's not new news. I asked you what you meant because your response to my post could have referred to the jobs thing or the travel ban thing. You weren't clear.
Okay, let's look at this. First, you say the media doesn't tell all, then you link to a media site that does tell about it. And it tells how ABC News told about it back in 2013. Do you see the contradiction there? Or is there something else that you think applies that isn't in any of these media articles?
Second, why does it matter what Obama did? If Trump does a dumb, reckless, pandering thing; it is still a dumb, pointless, pandering thing regardless of Obama's actions. Or do Trump followers have some kind of inferiority issue and inside know that Trump isn't as good as Obama? I'm just asking here.
Third, what Obama did and what Trump did are not the same. Please read this.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/
Perhaps after reading it you will still think they are the same. If so, I would love to hear why.
Why comparing Trump's and Obama's immigration restrictions is flawed
After a weekend of nationwide demonstrations in protest of immigration restrictions on entry from seven nations, President Donald Trump blamed the media for misreporting his controversial executive order and said it was an extension of former President Barack Obama?s policies.
"My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror," Trump wrote in a Jan. 29 statement. "To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting."
To refresh, Trump issued an executive order on Jan. 27 barring citizens of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan and Libya from entering the United States for 90 days. It also puts Syrian refugee admissions on hold indefinitely. (We go over some of the key issues in this explainer.)
In 2011, Obama?s state department stopped processing Iraqi refugee requests for six months, though it didn?t disclose the policy like Trump did, ABC reported in 2013.
So, are the policies similar as Trump claimed?
In the most superficial of ways, yes. They both limit immigration into the United States on a temporary basis. But there are two significant differences that Trump omits.
In 2011, there was a specific threat
First, Obama?s suspension was in direct response to a failed plot by Iraqi nationals living in Bowling Green, Ky., to send money, explosives and weapons to al-Qaida. The two men were arrested by the FBI in May 2011 for actions committed in Iraq and trying to assist overseas terrorist groups.
Both had entered the United States as refugees after lying about their past terrorism ties on paperwork. One man worked as a bombmaker in Iraq, and the FBI even matched his fingerprints to an unexploded IED discovered in 2005 in Iraq, raising questions about the thoroughness of the vetting process.
Trump?s ban, meanwhile, is more preemptive. As PolitiFact reported, no refugee or immigrant from any of the seven countries targeted by the ban has been implicated in any fatal terrorist attack in the United States, though perpetrators of at least three non-deadly cases were connected to Iran or Somalia.
Obama?s order was narrower in scope
Second, the scope of the two policies is slightly different. Obama?s 2011 order put a pause on refugee processing, whereas Trump?s halt in entries applies to all non-U.S. visitors.
It should also be noted that Iraqi refugees were still admitted to the United States every month in 2011, though there was a significant drop after May of that year. Here?s a chart with data from the state department:
[I didn't copy the chart. Go to the link above for that.]
According to the New York Times, the Obama administration also required new background checks for visa applicants from Iraq after the Bowling Green incident. Lawmakers at a 2012 congressional hearing also indicated that the Department of Homeland Security expanded screening to the Iraqi refugees already settled in the United States.
But again, these are different from a blanket ban on visitors. Obama, speaking through a spokesperson, disagreed with the comparison in a statement.
There are other precedents for temporary halts in immigration. A 2016 Congressional Research Service report notes that refugee admissions were also briefly suspended after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack to review the security procedures, leading to an overhaul of the system. A special subset of refugee admissions for reuniting families was suspended in 2008 in certain locations in Africa after higher rates of fraud.
So like Obama?s 2011 suspension, both the post-9/11 and African cases were in reaction to immediate issues and limited to refugees.
Trump?s order is broader, and his administration has provided no evidence it is in response to any particular event.
The seven countries on Trump?s list
While not necessarily part of this fact-check, Trump?s suggestion that he selected the seven countries as a continuation of Obama?s policy is imprecise.
According to the executive order, Trump?s action applies to "countries designated pursuant to Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 consolidated Appropriations Act."
That refers to a 2015 act, signed into law by Obama, revising the United States? visa waiver program. The visa waiver program allows citizens from 38 countries to enter the United States without a visa for up to 90 days. Under the legislation, citizens of those 38 countries who had traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Sudan after March 2011 were no longer eligible for the visa waiver. Libya, Yemen, and Somalia were later added to the list.
In other words, Obama?s actions dealt with people who had visited Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen, not citizens of those countries, and it did not prohibit them from entering the United States.
Our ruling
Trump said, "My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months."
The Obama administration in 2011 delayed processing Iraqi refugees for six months following evidence of a failed plot by two Iraqi refugees.
Trump?s executive order temporarily bars travel to the United States for all citizens from seven countries, and it is not in direct response to actions from citizens of those countries.
Furthermore, Iraqi refugees were nonetheless admitted to the United States during the 2011 suspension while Trump has put an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees.
We rate Trump?s claim Mostly False.
I'm actually a registered Republican, for whatever that's worth, and it isn't worth much. I live in California where the Democrats are far Left, which I'm using as, "Folks who want to tax anything and everything at high levels, attempting to solve all sorts of societal ills, regardless of the externalities." Nationally, the Republicans are far Right, which I'm using as, "Folks who want to eliminate taxes and regulation regardless of any good those taxes or regulation do to alleviate societal ills, and who want to thump you with their religious beliefs."
In short, Dems - "Captain Save 'Em All." Reps - "I Got Mine!"
I was in grad school in 2000 preoccupied and not too concerned with the Bush/Gore election, but I think I favored Gore. I favored Kerry in 2004, primarily due to our invasion of Iraq.
The Democrats' New Base: Romney Votershttps://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-09/the-democrats-new-base-romney-voters
1. The current media (broadly speaking) doesn't mention what Obama did in the past is similiar. (For example when I watch the news or read an article they don't even mention it)
2. You mentioned why does it matter if Obama did? It does matter because it shows presidence that the previous President did a similar type of action.
3. You indicated it is not the same but it is similar.
Your statement below says it all: " So, are the policies similar as Trump claimed? In the most superficial of ways, yes. They both limit immigration into the United States on a temporary basis."
The president is briefed to information that the public is not aware about. Things are changing constantly, a lot has happened in the US and over seas since 2011. Also, maybe those countries that are part of the ban should do more to fight terrorism instead of being a safe haven.
I'm not sure if you watch the news and follow what is happening across Europe. (France to Germany)
So Let's spend billions on an ineffective wall so I can showcase my superior construction skills.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/media/matt-drudge-republican-party/
Happiness said:
He's finally free. He doesn't have to censor himself anymore around that brainwashed socialist.
I'm glad that my wife has the same views as I do. Hers are a little more polarized than mine, but no tension. I have a few friends who's wives have been completely manipulated by the hate machine. They wont speak their minds in front of their wives. I feel bad for them that they have to censor themselves, but at least they some friends that they can shoot the shit with.
tim
New member
Ready2Downsize said:
I wouldn't say the person is a racist, but I would say that the statement is racist. I would also add sexist and ageist to that because I blame old, white men more than white women.
Now that I have agreed with your assertion of racism, do you agree with my assertion of racism?
tim
New member
morekaos said:
In 2014, Intel announced it would postpone the facility's opening amid decreased global demand for its products. As Intel invests in Arizona, it?s also likely to retire older facilities in other areas ? including perhaps an aging factory in Rio Rancho, N.M., said Jim McGregor, an analyst at Tirias Research in Phoenix.
Intel joined more than 100 companies to file a legal brief opposing Trump?s Jan. 27 executive order, which barred entrants to the United States from seven majority-Muslim countries.
tim said:
The media doesn't say it, but I will.
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/...q-refugee-program-six-months-terrorism-fears/
morekaos
Well-known member
tim said:
It's certainly better than what we got from the Obama job creation "investments".... no jobs and a half a billion dollar losss to the taxpayer...ii like Trumps plan better
https://youtu.be/KYiJ-_K9NCo
Ready2Downsize
Well-known member
tim said:
Why do you blame old white men and not old white women?
"Pardon me, wife. Would you please allow me to put my penis in your vagina hole? It should only take a few minute. Thank you."tim said:
I find it highly effective for women to grab my crotch. It tells me that sex is immediately inevitable.
When I grab crotch... 66% positive result. Begin sexing.
33% rejection: I'm tired, I have my period, I got gas I worked to hard today.
tim
New member
eyephone said:
That's not new news. I asked you what you meant because your response to my post could have referred to the jobs thing or the travel ban thing. You weren't clear.
Okay, let's look at this. First, you say the media doesn't tell all, then you link to a media site that does tell about it. And it tells how ABC News told about it back in 2013. Do you see the contradiction there? Or is there something else that you think applies that isn't in any of these media articles?
Second, why does it matter what Obama did? If Trump does a dumb, reckless, pandering thing; it is still a dumb, pointless, pandering thing regardless of Obama's actions. Or do Trump followers have some kind of inferiority issue and inside know that Trump isn't as good as Obama? I'm just asking here.
Third, what Obama did and what Trump did are not the same. Please read this.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/
Perhaps after reading it you will still think they are the same. If so, I would love to hear why.
Why comparing Trump's and Obama's immigration restrictions is flawed
After a weekend of nationwide demonstrations in protest of immigration restrictions on entry from seven nations, President Donald Trump blamed the media for misreporting his controversial executive order and said it was an extension of former President Barack Obama?s policies.
"My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror," Trump wrote in a Jan. 29 statement. "To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting."
To refresh, Trump issued an executive order on Jan. 27 barring citizens of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan and Libya from entering the United States for 90 days. It also puts Syrian refugee admissions on hold indefinitely. (We go over some of the key issues in this explainer.)
In 2011, Obama?s state department stopped processing Iraqi refugee requests for six months, though it didn?t disclose the policy like Trump did, ABC reported in 2013.
So, are the policies similar as Trump claimed?
In the most superficial of ways, yes. They both limit immigration into the United States on a temporary basis. But there are two significant differences that Trump omits.
In 2011, there was a specific threat
First, Obama?s suspension was in direct response to a failed plot by Iraqi nationals living in Bowling Green, Ky., to send money, explosives and weapons to al-Qaida. The two men were arrested by the FBI in May 2011 for actions committed in Iraq and trying to assist overseas terrorist groups.
Both had entered the United States as refugees after lying about their past terrorism ties on paperwork. One man worked as a bombmaker in Iraq, and the FBI even matched his fingerprints to an unexploded IED discovered in 2005 in Iraq, raising questions about the thoroughness of the vetting process.
Trump?s ban, meanwhile, is more preemptive. As PolitiFact reported, no refugee or immigrant from any of the seven countries targeted by the ban has been implicated in any fatal terrorist attack in the United States, though perpetrators of at least three non-deadly cases were connected to Iran or Somalia.
Obama?s order was narrower in scope
Second, the scope of the two policies is slightly different. Obama?s 2011 order put a pause on refugee processing, whereas Trump?s halt in entries applies to all non-U.S. visitors.
It should also be noted that Iraqi refugees were still admitted to the United States every month in 2011, though there was a significant drop after May of that year. Here?s a chart with data from the state department:
[I didn't copy the chart. Go to the link above for that.]
According to the New York Times, the Obama administration also required new background checks for visa applicants from Iraq after the Bowling Green incident. Lawmakers at a 2012 congressional hearing also indicated that the Department of Homeland Security expanded screening to the Iraqi refugees already settled in the United States.
But again, these are different from a blanket ban on visitors. Obama, speaking through a spokesperson, disagreed with the comparison in a statement.
There are other precedents for temporary halts in immigration. A 2016 Congressional Research Service report notes that refugee admissions were also briefly suspended after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack to review the security procedures, leading to an overhaul of the system. A special subset of refugee admissions for reuniting families was suspended in 2008 in certain locations in Africa after higher rates of fraud.
So like Obama?s 2011 suspension, both the post-9/11 and African cases were in reaction to immediate issues and limited to refugees.
Trump?s order is broader, and his administration has provided no evidence it is in response to any particular event.
The seven countries on Trump?s list
While not necessarily part of this fact-check, Trump?s suggestion that he selected the seven countries as a continuation of Obama?s policy is imprecise.
According to the executive order, Trump?s action applies to "countries designated pursuant to Division O, Title II, Section 203 of the 2016 consolidated Appropriations Act."
That refers to a 2015 act, signed into law by Obama, revising the United States? visa waiver program. The visa waiver program allows citizens from 38 countries to enter the United States without a visa for up to 90 days. Under the legislation, citizens of those 38 countries who had traveled to Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Sudan after March 2011 were no longer eligible for the visa waiver. Libya, Yemen, and Somalia were later added to the list.
In other words, Obama?s actions dealt with people who had visited Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen, not citizens of those countries, and it did not prohibit them from entering the United States.
Our ruling
Trump said, "My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months."
The Obama administration in 2011 delayed processing Iraqi refugees for six months following evidence of a failed plot by two Iraqi refugees.
Trump?s executive order temporarily bars travel to the United States for all citizens from seven countries, and it is not in direct response to actions from citizens of those countries.
Furthermore, Iraqi refugees were nonetheless admitted to the United States during the 2011 suspension while Trump has put an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees.
We rate Trump?s claim Mostly False.
Perspective
Well-known member
"Or do Trump followers have some kind of inferiority issue?"
Yes. You're attracted to people similar to you.
Yes. You're attracted to people similar to you.
Perspective
Well-known member
eyephone said:
I'm actually a registered Republican, for whatever that's worth, and it isn't worth much. I live in California where the Democrats are far Left, which I'm using as, "Folks who want to tax anything and everything at high levels, attempting to solve all sorts of societal ills, regardless of the externalities." Nationally, the Republicans are far Right, which I'm using as, "Folks who want to eliminate taxes and regulation regardless of any good those taxes or regulation do to alleviate societal ills, and who want to thump you with their religious beliefs."
In short, Dems - "Captain Save 'Em All." Reps - "I Got Mine!"
I was in grad school in 2000 preoccupied and not too concerned with the Bush/Gore election, but I think I favored Gore. I favored Kerry in 2004, primarily due to our invasion of Iraq.
The Democrats' New Base: Romney Votershttps://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-09/the-democrats-new-base-romney-voters
tim said:
1. The current media (broadly speaking) doesn't mention what Obama did in the past is similiar. (For example when I watch the news or read an article they don't even mention it)
2. You mentioned why does it matter if Obama did? It does matter because it shows presidence that the previous President did a similar type of action.
3. You indicated it is not the same but it is similar.
Your statement below says it all: " So, are the policies similar as Trump claimed? In the most superficial of ways, yes. They both limit immigration into the United States on a temporary basis."
The president is briefed to information that the public is not aware about. Things are changing constantly, a lot has happened in the US and over seas since 2011. Also, maybe those countries that are part of the ban should do more to fight terrorism instead of being a safe haven.
I'm not sure if you watch the news and follow what is happening across Europe. (France to Germany)
Loco_local
Active member
BE AFRAID VERY AFRAID BIGLY AFRAID. DANGEROUS SCARY PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR YOU
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/02/refugee-crisis-serbia
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/policy-refugees-serbia-fear-deportation-170116203550288.html
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/02/refugee-crisis-serbia
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/policy-refugees-serbia-fear-deportation-170116203550288.html
Loco_local
Active member
So Let's spend billions on an ineffective wall so I can showcase my superior construction skills.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/media/matt-drudge-republican-party/