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I hope they're not all professionals. I remember the wave of Lebanese immigrants and I am grateful for the restaurants they opened. That's one thing Irvine could use more of.

What would Orange County be without the Vietnamese refugees and before that the economic German migrants?  People should be thankful the Mexicans who lived here before them didn't feel the same way as some of the posters here.
 
A break from the action...

Did anyone catch the Sanders Cruz debate?  Lol. A lady told Bernie that she had five fantastic sam salons and couldn't afford to pay insurance for her workers. Possibly. She went further on by saying she herself couldn't afford health coverage. Lol. 5 chains and can't afford insurance?  YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!
 
Loco_local said:
It's been repeated time and again that the ones who have committed attacks on the US are not from the 7 countries on the restricted list, but the Obama administration made that list for a reason.

Have you actually read the Act? Notice the first four words.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text
I have read parts of it, which 4 words are you referring to?


I read the Washington Post one (also notice how they bring up the "majority Muslim" phrase which the measure does not mention). But it doesn't go into why Saudi was excluded.

Considering that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi and issued Saudi visas, I find it strange that the Obama administration didn't name them.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Loco_local said:
It's been repeated time and again that the ones who have committed attacks on the US are not from the 7 countries on the restricted list, but the Obama administration made that list for a reason.

Have you actually read the Act? Notice the first four words.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text
I have read parts of it, which 4 words are you referring to?


I read the Washington Post one (also notice how they bring up the "majority Muslim" phrase which the measure does not mention). But it doesn't go into why Saudi was excluded.

Considering that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi and issued Saudi visas, I find it strange that the Obama administration didn't name them.

I don't know but I'm guessing the government doesn't have enough resources to apply "extreme vetting" for every Muslim who made a pilgramage to Mecca.

Or it's just geo-political because we need to be friends with someone in the Middle East so we can have our military there. It makes bombing nearby countries easier.
 
eyephone said:
fortune11 said:
If you live in Irvine / OC (as most people reading this are) -- your interactions with Muslims are not with the average person from the middle east - rather it is that thoroughly vetted professional (maybe your doctor) that waited many months / years for a visa before he / she could get in. 

Give me a break? This is totally unbelievable. Not all of them are professional.

Ahh you got me there .. "foot shot "  :)

I am sure there are exceptions . Immigrants are under the microscope anyways . God forbid they act out of line or don't graduate at the top of the class .

If trump wasn't rich , do you think he would even be qualified to work as your gardener ?



 
jmoney74 said:
A break from the action...

Did anyone catch the Sanders Cruz debate?  Lol. A lady told Bernie that she had five fantastic sam salons and couldn't afford to pay insurance for her workers. Possibly. She went further on by saying she herself couldn't afford health coverage. Lol. 5 chains and can't afford insurance?  YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!!

Obviously the problem here is all those regulations and that pesky minimum wage.

Clearly eliminating those unnecessary costs is critical to insuring solid businesses are moving forward and creating employment and opportunity.

Lower pricing and expansion is obviously the correct solution to an over-saturated market with a mediocre product and excess capacity.
 
fortune11 said:
eyephone said:
fortune11 said:
If you live in Irvine / OC (as most people reading this are) -- your interactions with Muslims are not with the average person from the middle east - rather it is that thoroughly vetted professional (maybe your doctor) that waited many months / years for a visa before he / she could get in. 

Give me a break? This is totally unbelievable. Not all of them are professional.

Ahh you got me there .. "foot shot "  :)

I am sure there are exceptions . Immigrants are under the microscope anyways . God forbid they act out of line or don't graduate at the top of the class .

If trump wasn't rich , do you think he would even be qualified to work as your gardener ?

Were he not born into wealth, he'd likely be very successful working a used car parking lot in the Rust Belt.
 
Against Empathy: The Case for Rational Compassion. By Paul Bloom. Ecco; 304 pages; $26.99. Bodley Head; 290 pages; ?18.99.
http://www.economist.com/news/books...st-decries-culture-identifying-others-expense

IN an age of partisan divides it has become popular to assert that the wounds of the world would heal if only people made the effort to empathise more with each other. If only white police officers imagined how it feels to be a black man in America; if only black Americans understood the fears of the man in uniform; if only Europeans opposed to immigration walked a mile in the shoes of a Syrian refugee; if only tree-hugging liberals knew the suffering of the working class.

Barack Obama warned of an empathy ?deficit? in 2006, and did so again in his valedictory speech in January: ?If our democracy is to work in this increasingly diverse nation,? he said, ?each one of us must try to heed the advice of one of the great characters in American fiction, Atticus Finch, who said, ?You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view...until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.??
It is a piece of generous, high-minded wisdom with which few would dare to disagree. But Paul Bloom, a psychologist at Yale University, does disagree. His new book, ?Against Empathy?, makes the provocative argument that the world does not need more empathy; it needs less of it. People are bingeing on a sentiment that does not, on balance, make the world a better place. Empathy is ?sugary soda, tempting and delicious and bad for us?. In its stead, Mr Bloom prescribes a nutritious diet of reason, compassion and self-control.

To be clear, Mr Bloom is not against kindness, love or general good will toward others. Nor does he have a problem with compassion, or with ?cognitive? empathy?the ability to understand what someone else is feeling. His complaint is with empathy defined as feeling what someone else feels. Though philosophers at least as far back as Adam Smith have held it up as a virtue, Mr Bloom says it is a dubious moral guide. Empathy is biased: people tend to feel for those who look like themselves. It is limited in scope, often focusing attention on the one at the expense of the many, or on short-term rather than long-term consequences. It can incite hatred and violence?as when Donald Trump used the example of Kate Steinle, a woman murdered by an undocumented immigrant, to drum up anti-immigrant sentiment, or whenIslamic State fighters point to instances of Islamophobia to encourage terrorist attacks. It is innumerate, blind to statistics and to the costs of saccharine indulgence.

Empathy can be strategically useful to get people to do the right thing, Mr Bloom acknowledges, and it is central to relationships (though even here it must sometimes be overridden, as any parent who takes a toddler for vaccinations knows). But when it comes to policy, empathy is too slippery a tool. ?It is because of empathy that citizens of a country can be transfixed by a girl stuck in a well and largely indifferent to climate change,? he writes. Better to rely on reason and cost-benefit analysis. As rational arguments for environmental protection or civil rights show, morality is possible without sentimental appeals to individual suffering. ?We should aspire to a world in which a politician appealing to someone?s empathy would be seen in the same way as one appealing to people?s racist bias,? Mr Bloom writes. Racism, like anger or empathy, is a gut feeling; it might be motivating, but that kind of thinking ultimately does more harm than good.

That is a radical vision?and like many Utopias, one with potentially dystopian consequences. Unless humans evolve into something like the Vulcans from ?Star Trek?, guided purely by logic, it is also unimaginable. Reason should inform governance, but people tend to be converted to a cause?gay marriage, for instance?by emotion. Yet Mr Bloom?s point is a good one: empathy is easily exploited, marshalled on either side of the aisle to create not a bridge but an impasse of feelings. In a time of post-truth politics, his book offers a much-needed call for facts.
 
My coworker who is a tea-party trump supporter said the "extreme vetting" policy is great.  He's not the one who has to wait 4-8 hours at the airport to get properly vetted, so he's fine with it.

Basically he is saying I got mine...suks 2bu.
 
The Dems and other globalists' refugee and immigrant policy is altruism, not empathy.  While it usually requires empathy (understand how others feel) to be altruistic (selfless), they are not the same thing. Altruism is great.  Society is better if people are more altruistic.  But if the state forces people who don't want to be altruistic to be altruistic, then it's not altruism, it's a tax.
 
zubs said:
My coworker who is a tea-party trump supporter said the "extreme vetting" policy is great.  He's not the one who has to wait 4-8 hours at the airport to get properly vetted, so he's fine with it.

Basically he is saying I got mine...suks 2bu.

Very short term thinking on his part and narrowcasting which is a common feature of many trump supporters (there are exceptions of course ). He will end paying eventually in other ways and then end up blaming someone else for it .


 
fortune11 said:
zubs said:
My coworker who is a tea-party trump supporter said the "extreme vetting" policy is great.  He's not the one who has to wait 4-8 hours at the airport to get properly vetted, so he's fine with it.

Basically he is saying I got mine...suks 2bu.

Very short term thinking on his part and narrowcasting which is a common feature of many trump supporters (there are exceptions of course ). He will end paying eventually in other ways and then end up blaming someone else for it .

The talking head entertainers he listens to will provide plenty of scapegoats, just like in this election, to assign blame incorrectly.
 
Perspective said:
fortune11 said:
eyephone said:
fortune11 said:
If you live in Irvine / OC (as most people reading this are) -- your interactions with Muslims are not with the average person from the middle east - rather it is that thoroughly vetted professional (maybe your doctor) that waited many months / years for a visa before he / she could get in. 

Give me a break? This is totally unbelievable. Not all of them are professional.

Ahh you got me there .. "foot shot "  :)

I am sure there are exceptions . Immigrants are under the microscope anyways . God forbid they act out of line or don't graduate at the top of the class .

If trump wasn't rich , do you think he would even be qualified to work as your gardener ?

Were he not born into wealth, he'd likely be very successful working a used car parking lot in the Rust Belt.

I have actually thought about that and I disagree .

A big part of what has helped him reach large swaths of people via apprentice and during the election campaign is because people automatically assign credibility because he is rich . I have heard this a lot from many people across the income spectrum . In general being rich gives an aura of respectability to anyone in our society , even though wealth had more to do w legacy, luck and timing than sheer smarts .

Used car salespeople still have to have grit and perseverance and show up to work on time and put in long hours . They don't wander the halls of trump tower or whitehouse in their bathrobe fuming at the tv .
 
You guys have way too much faith in humans.  I have always operated from the point of view that we humans are deeply selfish at the base fish level.  Talk all you want about empathy and altruism i think at the core it always "me and mine" first. you cant force empathy down their throat and not get a violent reaction to the opposite eventually.  It's the shit happens...glad it wasn't to me attitude. That whole "this isn't us" argument always makes me laugh.
 
He's right...I am getting a bit bored of winning. And its only been 2 1\2 weeks!!!

Intel to invest $7 billion in factory in Arizona, employ 3,000

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/08/trump-meets-intel-ceo-brian-krzanich.html

Intel CEO: Past tax policy has disadvantaged us Intel CEO meets with President Trump in Oval Office 
1 Hour Ago | 04:21
Intel chief executive Brian Krzanich met with President Donald Trump on Wednesday, where the company announced it will invest $7 billion in a factory employing up to 3,000 people.

The factory will be in Chandler, Arizona, the company said, and over 10,000 people in the Arizona area will support the factory
 
I was arguing with my Trump supporting co-worker back in 2008 when a barrel of oil was above $150.  The debate was regarding peak oil.  He said it's all horseshit and it was a conspiracy to keep gas prices high.  He had full faith that gas prices would come back down.

Since the peak oil scare was proven false in recent years, his idea that global warming is also fake has solidified.

 
zubs said:
I was arguing with my Trump supporting co-worker back in 2008 when a barrel of oil was above $150.  The debate was regarding peak oil.  He said it's all horseshit and it was a conspiracy to keep gas prices high.  He had full faith that gas prices would come back down.

Since the peak oil scare was proven false in recent years, his idea that global warming is also fake has solidified.

Do I work with you? ;)
 
Well he may have lost the popular vote but it appears some have changed their minds...seems to be "winning" them over.

Trump approval
February 06, 2017

Approve 50.1%
Disapprove 47.3%
Mixed feelings 2.7%

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/PD1:1/dates/20170101-20170207/type/smallest

Wednesday, February 08, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump?s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb8
 
morekaos said:
He's right...I am getting a bit bored of winning. And its only been 2 1\2 weeks!!!

Intel to invest $7 billion in factory in Arizona, employ 3,000

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/08/trump-meets-intel-ceo-brian-krzanich.html

Intel CEO: Past tax policy has disadvantaged us Intel CEO meets with President Trump in Oval Office 
1 Hour Ago | 04:21
Intel chief executive Brian Krzanich met with President Donald Trump on Wednesday, where the company announced it will invest $7 billion in a factory employing up to 3,000 people.

The factory will be in Chandler, Arizona, the company said, and over 10,000 people in the Arizona area will support the factory

Bloomberg Radio just did a story on this, reciting Obama's remarks when this was planned years ago. But hey, don't let facts ruin a good story!
 
True, they started it then abandoned it. This is starting it up again due to a more friendly regulatory and tax environment that this president will deliver.

" Krzanich confirmed to CNBC that the investment over the next three to four years would be to complete a previous plant, Fab 42, that was started and then left vacant."

"There will be no incentives from the federal government for the Intel project, the White House said."

Win, win!!!

 
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