irvinehomeowner said:
I agree if the allegations are true that Trump is despicable, but what Clinton did IS true, why no judgement there?
Okay, let's break this down more. I didn't have time before and didn't think it was really necessary. But I have time now.
I said that it is an embarrassment that Trump is Pres of the USA. One of the reasons I gave is that he has gone backstage at beauty pageants to look at the girls while they are undressed. These girls were as young as 15. And he doesn't think there is anything wrong with it.
You then asked if he is any more of a womanizer than Bill. And said that all that past stuff is noise.
Here are the problems I have with your response.
1. Trump being an embarrassment is actually independent of Bill Clinton. If it is 20 degrees here in the OC and I say it is cold, it doesn't matter what the temperature is in Chicago.
2. This message board thread is entitled "President Trump" not "President Trump vs. One or more Clintons."
3. You imply that having an affair with an adult woman is equivalent to a man that thinks there is nothing wrong with walking in on underage girls getting dressed.
4. Him not thinking there is anything wrong with it is just as bad as what he did.
5. It is not in the past and is not noise. I am not sure if you say this because you don't believe Trump does these horrible things, because you think this isn't very horrible, or because you think time has passed to make it not matter. Let me address each of these.
A. Did he do this and things like it? We know for a fact he has done things like this with adult women. Trump himself bragged on the Stern show about how he did this with the adult beauty pageant. It isn't hard to believe the teen girls that said he did the same thing in their pageant. Given Trump's recorded history towards women and of punching down, it is harder to disbelieve them. Even if he "only" did this in the adult pageant, he would still be repugnant.
B. Is this really that bad? If he had raped the girls, you would certainly think what he did was horrible. So maybe somewhere between rape and "just" staring at them it crosses a line that you think is okay. What if he walked in on a girl in the dressing room at Nordstroms? Is that a more clear example?
C. Does it matter since it was in the past? If he had raped them, never served time, and didn't think he did anything wrong, would you still say it is just in the past and is noise? Why is this different? No matter how much time has passed, our President still thinks he did nothing wrong. When people apologize for mistakes, we forgive them and move on. When he says he doesn't need forgiveness because he has done nothing wrong, then I will not just let him off the hook.
irvinehomeowner said:
And I didn't say "any" activity... trying to prevent terrorists from entering the US is good... nuking your own city is bad.
I think your comparison-meter is malfunctioning.
Is adultery despicable too?
Is trying to make America safer good?
Trying to prevent terrorists from entering the US, but then making a rule that doesn't help and instead hurts others is bad. Trying to do it but completely screwing it up is bad.
Adultery is despicable. That is part of why I find Trump embarrassing. He cheated on his wives and hit on married women. And he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. And the people that voted for him either knew it when they voted for him or were willfully ignorant.
Making America safer does not happen in a vacuum. There are always tradeoffs. No one on here has yet explained how the travel ban makes us safer. It does however disrupt thousands of lives. The last count from the State Dept was that about 60,000 VISAs had been revoked. How many lives have now been negatively affected in a meaningful way? How many lives have been made safer? Based on the history of refugees in the USA, I doubt anyone is safer.
