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I'm here. I liked this quote from that article, "Alibaba has been planning to expand more aggressively into the US." So, it sounds like another case of a someone flattering Trump by telling him that the thing they were going to do anyway is because of him. And since he is ruled by his ego, he believes them.
I noticed you didn't answer my question about how Trump handled the Russia/election thing.
I've been wearing the same North Face fleece jacket going on twenty years. Thought it was kind of expensive when I bought it.
I've bought and thrown out many other fleece jackets, still have the heavy North Face fleece that gets worn every cold season.
It's lookin a little worn...
I never said anything about whether the Russians got Trump elected. It is interesting that you speak to that and not what I asked. I asked what Trump supporters think about the way he has handled it. Here is what I wrote:
For example, do you think it is good that he is so quick to tweet about things that have so little factual basis, yet even after all the USA intelligence groups agreed that Russia was behind the hacks Trump would not agree with them?
Isn't that kind of the duh, question? Every other country out there was trying to influence the election, this was just a little more overt.
How much was 'fake news', which, IMHO is way over played because virtually all our news is so edited it all a degree of fake.
But let's not pretend there isn't boatloads of political posturing in the current heads of the intelligence agencies readouts.
None which really changes anything. The Russians, since WWII, really not our friends unless we suddenly get interested in returning to our prior CoDominium.
All of which brings us back to the 'well duh' factor of the intelligence briefings. The Russians tried to influence the elections and used the Hillary campaigns lax IT security and content of their own emails against them. "well duh'.
Why, yea, that's what the Intelligence agency should figure out. Putin just have bone over Clinton's Crimea handling? Syria? My honest interpetation? An opportunity to say F-u to Clinton, weaken her as an adversary was the intent. I doubt as the pros said, they thought Trump would win, and as such I doubt the seriously evaluated him. Still Trump versus Clinton for chuminess factor with the EU? Yea, they might prefer Trump on that point. Clinton on Energy.
So back to well duh. That they did is exactly what I would expect Russia to be doing, oh, didn't they say that's what they've been doing since at least 2008? China too...
Well duh.
Personally I take great comfort in knowing the President Elect with cabinet confirmations starting in two days and inauguration in ten days has it so under control, the most important thing he has to be doing is tweeting a response rant to the continued six month old whine of a ardent Hillary supporter that co-opted her lifetime achievement to repeat the tearful way for the nine straight month. Clearly, it's all under control. :
What was the point of sitting his grand-daughter of Asian decent on his lap during his confirmation hearing? Who else sits their grand children on their lap during Senate hearings? Only the guy that has praised a law that effectively barred any immigrants of Asian decent into the US.
... things that make you ho hmmm
Well maybe she would keep better track of it than her boneheaded husband...but I somehow doubt it.
My military aide compatriot briefed the president would finally return his old set (of launch codes) to us. Instead president Bill Clinton looked up sheepishly and confessed ?I don?t have mine on me. I?ll track it down, guys and get it back to you.? pg56
?We were dumbfounded ? the president losing his nuclear launch codes. He is required to have the codes on him at all times. President Bill Clinton normally kept the world?s most sensitive document rubber banded to his credit cards in his pants pocket.? pg 57
?We immediately alerted the Joint Staff in the Pentagon: ?What do you mean? How could this happen? You?ve got to find it ASAP!?. They were incredulous. For days, we turned over everything in the White House. We talked to the ushers and valets, and asked them to search the president?s clothes and furniture in the residence. We asked the senior staff, specifically John Podesta and Bruce Lindsey, for help. The president finally threw up his hands and said casually ?I just can?t find it?don?t know where it is?. As far as he was concerned that was the end of the story. Podesta and Lindsey over riding concern was that the story might leak to the press. Only the military seemed remotely concerned about the national security implications of the nuclear launch codes being lost. And they were never found?
http://www.groundreport.com/the-day-former-president-clinton-lost-his-nuclear-launch-codes/
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Random question: does anyone know what happened to Irvine Commuter? He used to be active on political threads. I think when I checked his profile it said he hasn't been active in like 7 months. That's weird. I would've thought he would have been active leading up to the election & afterwards. Did I miss some drama somewhere leading up to his exit?
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BangBros said:
I'm here. I liked this quote from that article, "Alibaba has been planning to expand more aggressively into the US." So, it sounds like another case of a someone flattering Trump by telling him that the thing they were going to do anyway is because of him. And since he is ruled by his ego, he believes them.
I noticed you didn't answer my question about how Trump handled the Russia/election thing.
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Happiness said:
I've been wearing the same North Face fleece jacket going on twenty years. Thought it was kind of expensive when I bought it.
I've bought and thrown out many other fleece jackets, still have the heavy North Face fleece that gets worn every cold season.
It's lookin a little worn...
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tim
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BangBros said:
I never said anything about whether the Russians got Trump elected. It is interesting that you speak to that and not what I asked. I asked what Trump supporters think about the way he has handled it. Here is what I wrote:
tim said:
For example, do you think it is good that he is so quick to tweet about things that have so little factual basis, yet even after all the USA intelligence groups agreed that Russia was behind the hacks Trump would not agree with them?
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I guess you still haven't said if you like his response. But thank you for your response.
I don't think it is fair for me to ask for your view without giving mine. Here's mine. (And to be really clear, this is in no way meant to be an attack on your view or to invalidate what you said.)
Presidents are always in hard positions. That is the entire job. Anything easy is handled by someone else. This one doesn't even seem that hard to me.
As far as I can tell, all the adults (including Clinton) are bending over backwards to say that they are not blaming the hack on the outcome of the election. There is no question that hacks/leaks were done and that they hurt Clinton. Trump mentioned Wikileaks over 160 times in the month leading up to the election. The only thing in question is who did it and why. Answering those questions doesn't change the legitimacy of the election. The entire USA Intelligence community says they are confident it was Russia. Dems and Repubs in Congress and the Senate finally have something they agree on. All he had to say was, "The Intelligence agencies say it was Russia, so clearly it must have been Russia. We cannot let them attack our great country this way. This time it was not so effective as to have a big impact on the election. Next time it might be." Instead, Trump felt his ego was being attacked, so his response was to embarrass the Intelligence agencies by referring to their failure over WMD and to tweet with the word intelligence in quotes, insinuating that they are not intelligent. Trump is more than willing to lash out at anyone and everyone - except Russia.
I agree with you that Trump's tweeting is entertaining. (Although I find it a bit scary that you care so little that our President would frequently lie.) Of course, 140 characters is not enough to express much detail or nuance. So when he tweets about whatever (e.g., Assange) but doesn't explain his reasoning, people have to interpret that as they can. He then comes back later and gets all huffy about how he was misunderstood. Hey, Donald, then use more words to explain yo' damn self!
I don't think it is fair for me to ask for your view without giving mine. Here's mine. (And to be really clear, this is in no way meant to be an attack on your view or to invalidate what you said.)
Presidents are always in hard positions. That is the entire job. Anything easy is handled by someone else. This one doesn't even seem that hard to me.
As far as I can tell, all the adults (including Clinton) are bending over backwards to say that they are not blaming the hack on the outcome of the election. There is no question that hacks/leaks were done and that they hurt Clinton. Trump mentioned Wikileaks over 160 times in the month leading up to the election. The only thing in question is who did it and why. Answering those questions doesn't change the legitimacy of the election. The entire USA Intelligence community says they are confident it was Russia. Dems and Repubs in Congress and the Senate finally have something they agree on. All he had to say was, "The Intelligence agencies say it was Russia, so clearly it must have been Russia. We cannot let them attack our great country this way. This time it was not so effective as to have a big impact on the election. Next time it might be." Instead, Trump felt his ego was being attacked, so his response was to embarrass the Intelligence agencies by referring to their failure over WMD and to tweet with the word intelligence in quotes, insinuating that they are not intelligent. Trump is more than willing to lash out at anyone and everyone - except Russia.
I agree with you that Trump's tweeting is entertaining. (Although I find it a bit scary that you care so little that our President would frequently lie.) Of course, 140 characters is not enough to express much detail or nuance. So when he tweets about whatever (e.g., Assange) but doesn't explain his reasoning, people have to interpret that as they can. He then comes back later and gets all huffy about how he was misunderstood. Hey, Donald, then use more words to explain yo' damn self!
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(as you said And to be really clear, this is in no way meant to be an attack on your view or to invalidate what you said. particularly the well duhs, it's meant as a reading of the obviousness of the conclusions presented by the professionals so far)tim said:(And to be really clear, this is in no way meant to be an attack on your view or to invalidate what you said.)
<snip>The only thing in question is who did it and why. Answering those questions doesn't change the legitimacy of the election. The entire USA Intelligence community says they are confident it was Russia. Dems and Repubs in Congress and the Senate finally have something they agree on. All he had to say was, "The Intelligence agencies say it was Russia, so clearly it must have been Russia. We cannot let them attack our great country this way. This time it was not so effective as to have a big impact on the election. Next time it might be." Instead, Trump felt his ego was being attacked, so his response was to embarrass the Intelligence agencies by referring to their failure over WMD and to tweet with the word intelligence in quotes, insinuating that they are not intelligent. Trump is more than willing to lash out at anyone and everyone - except Russia.
I agree with you that Trump's tweeting is entertaining. (Although I find it a bit scary that you care so little that our President would frequently lie.) Of course, 140 characters is not enough to express much detail or nuance. So when he tweets about whatever (e.g., Assange) but doesn't explain his reasoning, people have to interpret that as they can. He then comes back later and gets all huffy about how he was misunderstood. Hey, Donald, then use more words to explain yo' damn self!
Isn't that kind of the duh, question? Every other country out there was trying to influence the election, this was just a little more overt.
How much was 'fake news', which, IMHO is way over played because virtually all our news is so edited it all a degree of fake.
But let's not pretend there isn't boatloads of political posturing in the current heads of the intelligence agencies readouts.
None which really changes anything. The Russians, since WWII, really not our friends unless we suddenly get interested in returning to our prior CoDominium.
All of which brings us back to the 'well duh' factor of the intelligence briefings. The Russians tried to influence the elections and used the Hillary campaigns lax IT security and content of their own emails against them. "well duh'.
Why, yea, that's what the Intelligence agency should figure out. Putin just have bone over Clinton's Crimea handling? Syria? My honest interpetation? An opportunity to say F-u to Clinton, weaken her as an adversary was the intent. I doubt as the pros said, they thought Trump would win, and as such I doubt the seriously evaluated him. Still Trump versus Clinton for chuminess factor with the EU? Yea, they might prefer Trump on that point. Clinton on Energy.
So back to well duh. That they did is exactly what I would expect Russia to be doing, oh, didn't they say that's what they've been doing since at least 2008? China too...
Well duh.
Personally I take great comfort in knowing the President Elect with cabinet confirmations starting in two days and inauguration in ten days has it so under control, the most important thing he has to be doing is tweeting a response rant to the continued six month old whine of a ardent Hillary supporter that co-opted her lifetime achievement to repeat the tearful way for the nine straight month. Clearly, it's all under control. :
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Fortune 500 companies now have to weigh possibly being labeled un american by trump and his tweets.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-companies-business-risk-being-101337168.html
While I believe in free trade because it's better for the human race, Trump was elected to take care of Americans, & it looks like he is doing his job.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-companies-business-risk-being-101337168.html
While I believe in free trade because it's better for the human race, Trump was elected to take care of Americans, & it looks like he is doing his job.
MTV reporter insults Jeff Session's Asian granddaughter, media yawns:
http://www.thewrap.com/mtv-writer-insists-jeff-sessions-asian-american-granddaughter-is-a-prop/
Just imagine if a conservative commentator did the same thing.
http://www.thewrap.com/mtv-writer-insists-jeff-sessions-asian-american-granddaughter-is-a-prop/
Just imagine if a conservative commentator did the same thing.
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What was the point of sitting his grand-daughter of Asian decent on his lap during his confirmation hearing? Who else sits their grand children on their lap during Senate hearings? Only the guy that has praised a law that effectively barred any immigrants of Asian decent into the US.
... things that make you ho hmmm
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Well maybe she would keep better track of it than her boneheaded husband...but I somehow doubt it.
My military aide compatriot briefed the president would finally return his old set (of launch codes) to us. Instead president Bill Clinton looked up sheepishly and confessed ?I don?t have mine on me. I?ll track it down, guys and get it back to you.? pg56
?We were dumbfounded ? the president losing his nuclear launch codes. He is required to have the codes on him at all times. President Bill Clinton normally kept the world?s most sensitive document rubber banded to his credit cards in his pants pocket.? pg 57
?We immediately alerted the Joint Staff in the Pentagon: ?What do you mean? How could this happen? You?ve got to find it ASAP!?. They were incredulous. For days, we turned over everything in the White House. We talked to the ushers and valets, and asked them to search the president?s clothes and furniture in the residence. We asked the senior staff, specifically John Podesta and Bruce Lindsey, for help. The president finally threw up his hands and said casually ?I just can?t find it?don?t know where it is?. As far as he was concerned that was the end of the story. Podesta and Lindsey over riding concern was that the story might leak to the press. Only the military seemed remotely concerned about the national security implications of the nuclear launch codes being lost. And they were never found?
http://www.groundreport.com/the-day-former-president-clinton-lost-his-nuclear-launch-codes/
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NEWS JAN 19 2017, 6:54 PM ET
Donald Trump Is Getting the Nuclear Football
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-getting-nuclear-football-n709006
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