A low interest loan when other sources of financing were not available is not free which goes against your claim of "Ford cost the taxpayers nothing". DOE also doled out grants (a few billion $) to companies that supplied Ford directly for their line of "green cars". This was all part of Obama's EV push for which he got criticized so much by some.
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My favorite part of this is Trump saying that Masa said they would not have done this if he hadn't been elected President. Trump actually believes that. His fragile, inflated ego won't allow in the idea that people flatter those in power all the time without meaning what they say. Trump craves approval so much. People know that and use it to manipulate him. He can't see that.
And does he think companies make $50 billion decisions so quickly? SoftBank has been planning this for over a year.
I thought Trump was a business man. Oh, wait, that's right, he's just a bullshitter that craves approval.
He's driving you crazy isn't he?
US Steel wants to accelerate investments, bring back jobs, CEO says
United States Steel would like to accelerate its investments and hire back laid-off employees now that Donald Trump will be occupying the Oval Office, CEO Mario Longhi told CNBC on Wednesday.
"We already structured to do some things, but when you see in the near future improvement to the tax laws, improvements to regulation, those two things by themselves may be a significant driver to what we're going to do," he said in an interview with CNBC's "Power Lunch."
In addition, the belief that the U.S. economy can grow at least 3.5 percent also adds to what the company can do, Longhi noted.
"I'd be more than happy to bring back the employees we've been forced to lay off during that depressive period," he said, which could be close to 10,000 jobs.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-steel-wants-to-accelerate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html
I've already said that I would be happy to have the country improve under Trump. Unlike the Republicans the past 8 years, I don't root against my country so that my "team" will look better. A big part of the economy doing well comes from people having faith in it and spending money/investing accordingly. So if people have faith due to Trump being Pres, then great. If unemployment goes down and the federal deficit goes down, then great. If we scrap the ACA and end up with something better, then great.
I think Trump is a bullshitter who wants people to kiss his ring to get favors from him. But I still want people that are struggling to have an easier time.
Most second gen Taiwanese on this board and in the United States probably don't care about this issue beyond the fact that it created a buzz on Twitter due to Trump supposedly fouling up US/China relations since Nixon's first visit. However, the situation between Taiwan and Chinese is beyond ridiculous.
Let's pretend that England is still the military and economic powerhouse it used to be. You then have English citizens who made the trek across a large body of water to find a new home in a place they called the United States, set up a new system of government, and carried on with their business building a great country of their own. Years later, England decides that since we all used to be English citizens, the United States is actually STILL part of England because they do not accept the declaration of independence and EXPECTS eventual reunification. Any country or diplomat who denies this is met with threats of economic embargo or threats of retaliation until they fall into line. That in a nutshell is China-Taiwan relations applied in a way we can all see to be the farce it really is. Every country not named China knows and believes it is wrong, but out of fear of the economic bullying of China, they're all just too scared to denounce it for what it is. I for one am glad that Trump stepped away from the way all past US Presidents in my lifetime here have dealt with this. If we can sell weaponry to Taiwan and station our troops there, a stupid phone call from it's president shouldn't matter one damn bit.
Obama did met Steve Job back in 2011 and let's just said Steve Job was pretty disappointed with Obama.
http://www.businessinsider.com/president-obamas-lack-of-resolve-frustrated-steve-jobs-2011-10
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-jobs-obamas-focus-on-excuses-infuriated-him/
Also this:
Steve Jobs Biography Reveals He Told Obama, ?You?re Headed For A One-Term Presidency?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html
It is actually quite a bit more complicated than that. I would say it is comparable to as if the democrats and republicans had a civil war and the losing party ran off to hide in Hawaii. The winning party doesn't have the resources to deal with it right away and decides to let it cool off. The loosing party then sets up their government and military in the Hawaii and takes it over and declares that one day they will take back the rest of the US. Years go by and now Hawaii wants to secede from the US.
I have heard of it put this way before as well. But you have to remember that the "cool off" has over 70 years. When does that cool off start looking ridiculous? 100 years? 300 years? Also, the Hawaii analogy ignores that there were a lot of people living on that island before the losing party ran there. My family immigrated to the island in 1800s, and we were doing just fine when the losing party decided to take over. It may look like the losing party running away, but for the people already there it was an invasion more or less. They took a lot from us and forced us to accept the military dictatorship that ensued. Here is something no one talks about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_28_Incident
We survived all that and now we just want to be left alone. If the losing party is so apt to rejoin the winning party, just move back to China. But the losing party shouldn't get to speak for everyone on the island. A lot of people like to disregard the native Taiwanese who were there before, just like how we conveniently disregard how many Native American tribes were wiped out for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny, and now bemoan how these tribes get to open casinos without proper taxation.
All that aside, why should China get a say in who the president elect of the US can and cannot talk to anyways? It just goes to prove the overreach propagated by China in everything outside it's borders and that it is still the biggest bully in the world. Every time a country of significance talks to Taiwanese diplomats, China shows it's bullying tactics once again. Even firing cruise missiles into the Strait of Taiwan just to puff up it's chest. Is that really necessary for the country with the second largest economy of the world? If China really wants, just hurry up and invade Taiwan already. My family has expected it for as long as I could remember anyways. Don't just keep on threatening action for the last 70 years, do it already.
tim
New member
morekaos said:
My favorite part of this is Trump saying that Masa said they would not have done this if he hadn't been elected President. Trump actually believes that. His fragile, inflated ego won't allow in the idea that people flatter those in power all the time without meaning what they say. Trump craves approval so much. People know that and use it to manipulate him. He can't see that.
And does he think companies make $50 billion decisions so quickly? SoftBank has been planning this for over a year.
I thought Trump was a business man. Oh, wait, that's right, he's just a bullshitter that craves approval.
SoclosetoIrvine
New member
Off topic but knowing we have many Asians on this forum, what are people's thoughts on Trump communicating directly with newly democratically elect woman president Tsai? Apparently marks one of the first times a us president has had direct contact with Taiwan. For many that don't know, current president is green party, mostly who believe Taiwan should be its own nation instead of owned by China. The previous president Ma welcomed business with China as he was blue party. Just recently, since election, Taiwan was left out of a major World Trade meeting which made headlines. Taiwan was previously welcome at these world trade under blue party president. His direct contact is either a big step for Taiwan or just plain stupidity on messing with China.
Interesting to see how it plays out. China owns more than $1.24 trillion of US debt in bills, notes, and bonds, so trump seems to playing this more as a business man vs a political person. If it came to war, would China attack Taiwan? Would the US support Taiwan or China? Previously under Obama, Taiwan was never too concerned as it knew the US would come to its aid, but under Trump, there are many locals there who fear if Trump would do anything. He has already famously said he would only protect the nations who gave the US "protection money"
There's rumors out there that Trump has his eyes on Taiwan-based Foxconn (manufacturer of apple iphones) to bring Apple manufacturing plants back to the US. As of now, Pence has already backed upon the call and noted it was merely a congratulatory call to Trump. Next few months will be fun.
edit: added link with current issue from Time
China requested that President Tsai be prevented from making a stopover in New York City, US official reject
http://time.com/4593328/taiwan-china-president-new-york-tsai-ing-wen/
Interesting to see how it plays out. China owns more than $1.24 trillion of US debt in bills, notes, and bonds, so trump seems to playing this more as a business man vs a political person. If it came to war, would China attack Taiwan? Would the US support Taiwan or China? Previously under Obama, Taiwan was never too concerned as it knew the US would come to its aid, but under Trump, there are many locals there who fear if Trump would do anything. He has already famously said he would only protect the nations who gave the US "protection money"
There's rumors out there that Trump has his eyes on Taiwan-based Foxconn (manufacturer of apple iphones) to bring Apple manufacturing plants back to the US. As of now, Pence has already backed upon the call and noted it was merely a congratulatory call to Trump. Next few months will be fun.
edit: added link with current issue from Time
China requested that President Tsai be prevented from making a stopover in New York City, US official reject
http://time.com/4593328/taiwan-china-president-new-york-tsai-ing-wen/
morekaos
Well-known member
tim said:
He's driving you crazy isn't he?
US Steel wants to accelerate investments, bring back jobs, CEO says
United States Steel would like to accelerate its investments and hire back laid-off employees now that Donald Trump will be occupying the Oval Office, CEO Mario Longhi told CNBC on Wednesday.
"We already structured to do some things, but when you see in the near future improvement to the tax laws, improvements to regulation, those two things by themselves may be a significant driver to what we're going to do," he said in an interview with CNBC's "Power Lunch."
In addition, the belief that the U.S. economy can grow at least 3.5 percent also adds to what the company can do, Longhi noted.
"I'd be more than happy to bring back the employees we've been forced to lay off during that depressive period," he said, which could be close to 10,000 jobs.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-steel-wants-to-accelerate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html
tim
New member
morekaos said:
I've already said that I would be happy to have the country improve under Trump. Unlike the Republicans the past 8 years, I don't root against my country so that my "team" will look better. A big part of the economy doing well comes from people having faith in it and spending money/investing accordingly. So if people have faith due to Trump being Pres, then great. If unemployment goes down and the federal deficit goes down, then great. If we scrap the ACA and end up with something better, then great.
I think Trump is a bullshitter who wants people to kiss his ring to get favors from him. But I still want people that are struggling to have an easier time.
irvinebullhousing
Well-known member
He tweets bullshit, non concrete, baseless, and taking credits for items that was clearly already in the works well before he accidentally became elect-president. The next 4 years SNL will have a lot of bullshit jokes every week about our leaders in the highest office of America. Can't wait to see how he will going to build that wall.
SoclosetoIrvine said:
Most second gen Taiwanese on this board and in the United States probably don't care about this issue beyond the fact that it created a buzz on Twitter due to Trump supposedly fouling up US/China relations since Nixon's first visit. However, the situation between Taiwan and Chinese is beyond ridiculous.
Let's pretend that England is still the military and economic powerhouse it used to be. You then have English citizens who made the trek across a large body of water to find a new home in a place they called the United States, set up a new system of government, and carried on with their business building a great country of their own. Years later, England decides that since we all used to be English citizens, the United States is actually STILL part of England because they do not accept the declaration of independence and EXPECTS eventual reunification. Any country or diplomat who denies this is met with threats of economic embargo or threats of retaliation until they fall into line. That in a nutshell is China-Taiwan relations applied in a way we can all see to be the farce it really is. Every country not named China knows and believes it is wrong, but out of fear of the economic bullying of China, they're all just too scared to denounce it for what it is. I for one am glad that Trump stepped away from the way all past US Presidents in my lifetime here have dealt with this. If we can sell weaponry to Taiwan and station our troops there, a stupid phone call from it's president shouldn't matter one damn bit.
tim
New member
Trump: ?Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens. That'll be next.?
NBC's Katie Tur: should you be "asking a foreign government -- Russia, China, anybody -- to interfere, to hack into the system of anybody in this country?"
Trump: ?By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails.? ?Well, they probably have them. I'd like to have them released."
US intelligence agencies: it is likely that Russia is responsible for the DNC hack, which was timed just before the Democratic National Convention and greatly embarrassed the party's leadership. This is a case where a foreign power has interfered with a Presidential election.
Trump: ?It is so far-fetched, so ridiculous.? ?I think it?s ridiculous. I think it?s just another excuse.? ?I don?t believe it.?
Trump: The election is rigged. There were millions of fraudulent votes.
Jill Stein and the Green Party: We should recount in some close states.
Trump: There is no evidence of election fraud.
Now, I doubt that the election was hacked or that there was widespread voter fraud. But why doesn't the USA always do thorough checking of election results. It seems like it is so important for us to have free and fair elections. I write software. I know enough to be worried about the software-based voting machines.
NBC's Katie Tur: should you be "asking a foreign government -- Russia, China, anybody -- to interfere, to hack into the system of anybody in this country?"
Trump: ?By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails.? ?Well, they probably have them. I'd like to have them released."
US intelligence agencies: it is likely that Russia is responsible for the DNC hack, which was timed just before the Democratic National Convention and greatly embarrassed the party's leadership. This is a case where a foreign power has interfered with a Presidential election.
Trump: ?It is so far-fetched, so ridiculous.? ?I think it?s ridiculous. I think it?s just another excuse.? ?I don?t believe it.?
Trump: The election is rigged. There were millions of fraudulent votes.
Jill Stein and the Green Party: We should recount in some close states.
Trump: There is no evidence of election fraud.
Now, I doubt that the election was hacked or that there was widespread voter fraud. But why doesn't the USA always do thorough checking of election results. It seems like it is so important for us to have free and fair elections. I write software. I know enough to be worried about the software-based voting machines.
morekaos
Well-known member
He's driving them crazy... Barack who??
IBM boss offers 25,000 new American workers during Trump's first term on eve of summit with tech bosses at Tower
IBM boss Ginni Rometty has penned an op-ed ahead of a tech summit with Donald Trump
She says her firm will hire 25,000 people in four years and spent $1 billion on training
Execs from Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon and other tech companies have been invited to join the parade of visitors to Trump Tower
Trump to be represented by venture capitalist Peter Thiel, one of the industry's few high-level Trump backers; he's on the board of Facebook
Apple's Tim Cook plans to come, and Amazon's Jeff Bezos is coming, too
Cook hosted a million-dollar fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in Los Angeles last August; Bezos owns the Washington Post and has tussled with Trump
Trump said he held post-election phone calls with execs from Apple and Microsoft
After Trump's election, Rometty wrote a letter pledging to 'achieve the aspiration you articulated and that can advance a national agenda in a time of profound change,' Politico noted.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4030984/IBM-boss-promises-25-000-new-American-workers-Trump-s-term-eve-summit-tech-bosses-Tower.html
IBM boss offers 25,000 new American workers during Trump's first term on eve of summit with tech bosses at Tower
IBM boss Ginni Rometty has penned an op-ed ahead of a tech summit with Donald Trump
She says her firm will hire 25,000 people in four years and spent $1 billion on training
Execs from Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon and other tech companies have been invited to join the parade of visitors to Trump Tower
Trump to be represented by venture capitalist Peter Thiel, one of the industry's few high-level Trump backers; he's on the board of Facebook
Apple's Tim Cook plans to come, and Amazon's Jeff Bezos is coming, too
Cook hosted a million-dollar fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in Los Angeles last August; Bezos owns the Washington Post and has tussled with Trump
Trump said he held post-election phone calls with execs from Apple and Microsoft
After Trump's election, Rometty wrote a letter pledging to 'achieve the aspiration you articulated and that can advance a national agenda in a time of profound change,' Politico noted.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4030984/IBM-boss-promises-25-000-new-American-workers-Trump-s-term-eve-summit-tech-bosses-Tower.html
morekaos
Well-known member
Movingup said:
Obama did met Steve Job back in 2011 and let's just said Steve Job was pretty disappointed with Obama.
http://www.businessinsider.com/president-obamas-lack-of-resolve-frustrated-steve-jobs-2011-10
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-jobs-obamas-focus-on-excuses-infuriated-him/
Also this:
Steve Jobs Biography Reveals He Told Obama, ?You?re Headed For A One-Term Presidency?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html
B2FiNiTY
Active member
upon9k said:
It is actually quite a bit more complicated than that. I would say it is comparable to as if the democrats and republicans had a civil war and the losing party ran off to hide in Hawaii. The winning party doesn't have the resources to deal with it right away and decides to let it cool off. The loosing party then sets up their government and military in the Hawaii and takes it over and declares that one day they will take back the rest of the US. Years go by and now Hawaii wants to secede from the US.
B2FiNiTY said:
I have heard of it put this way before as well. But you have to remember that the "cool off" has over 70 years. When does that cool off start looking ridiculous? 100 years? 300 years? Also, the Hawaii analogy ignores that there were a lot of people living on that island before the losing party ran there. My family immigrated to the island in 1800s, and we were doing just fine when the losing party decided to take over. It may look like the losing party running away, but for the people already there it was an invasion more or less. They took a lot from us and forced us to accept the military dictatorship that ensued. Here is something no one talks about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_28_Incident
We survived all that and now we just want to be left alone. If the losing party is so apt to rejoin the winning party, just move back to China. But the losing party shouldn't get to speak for everyone on the island. A lot of people like to disregard the native Taiwanese who were there before, just like how we conveniently disregard how many Native American tribes were wiped out for the fulfillment of Manifest Destiny, and now bemoan how these tribes get to open casinos without proper taxation.
All that aside, why should China get a say in who the president elect of the US can and cannot talk to anyways? It just goes to prove the overreach propagated by China in everything outside it's borders and that it is still the biggest bully in the world. Every time a country of significance talks to Taiwanese diplomats, China shows it's bullying tactics once again. Even firing cruise missiles into the Strait of Taiwan just to puff up it's chest. Is that really necessary for the country with the second largest economy of the world? If China really wants, just hurry up and invade Taiwan already. My family has expected it for as long as I could remember anyways. Don't just keep on threatening action for the last 70 years, do it already.
B2FiNiTY
Active member
My origins are also from Taiwan over a hundred years before the KMT came and took over. That was definitely a terrible time for the people there and the memories, pain, and hatred from that era remains. Especially in the south.
Like you've said, if China wanted to take over Taiwan with force, they would have done it a long time ago. Same thing with Hong Kong and Macau.
As you should know, the Chinese are all about face. They felt they lost a lot of face with this phone call and they will do whatever it takes to flex their muscles to the world. They've been doing this flexing for quite some time now. The rest of the world just laughs and points.
Like you've said, if China wanted to take over Taiwan with force, they would have done it a long time ago. Same thing with Hong Kong and Macau.
As you should know, the Chinese are all about face. They felt they lost a lot of face with this phone call and they will do whatever it takes to flex their muscles to the world. They've been doing this flexing for quite some time now. The rest of the world just laughs and points.
China views the Taiwan issue from a nationalistic angle. It was Japan that separated Taiwan (along with Korea and Okinawa) from the Manchu Empire in 1895 at bayonet point. China has let its Korean and Okinawan protectorates go because the people there are not ethnic Chinese. Not just the communist party but even normal everyday Chinese wants to right the wrongs of China's Century of Humiliation from 1850 to 1950. If Taiwan is formally separated from China, the Chinese will view this as a victory and vindication for Japan's imperialist actions and not as a victory for Taiwan independence. As you say, China is all about face and the one thing they will never do is lose face to Japan.