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iacrenter said:
OCgasman said:
test said:
In front of the gate, so to speak, will be the more ?affordable? homes. In those communities, to the east of Culver closer to Northwood High School, residences will run from the $600,000s to just above $1 million.

Behind the gate, on land primarily to the west of Culver, homes will have price tags into the $2 million ballpark.

So the riff raff homes will be assigned to IUSD while the high end homes TUSD.  Interesting.
In that area, the schools are equivalent.  But, ignorant people might just assume schools are better in IUSD vs TUSD.

It doesn't matter if the schools are similar. Perception is reality when it comes to RE. In the present market IUSD will carry a premium over TUSD even when both carry an Irvine address.
Good.  Then I hope the SFRs on the TUSD side have less competition and lower prices.
 
Last time I checked, Northpark homes are pretty pricey... even West Irvine... so I'm not sure the "stigma" of TUSD is that effective.

What do you think is perceived better?

1. Tustin address with IUSD schools

or

2. Irvine address with TUSD schools
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Last time I checked, Northpark homes are pretty pricey... even West Irvine... so I'm not sure the "stigma" of TUSD is that effective.

What do you think is perceived better?

1. Tustin address with IUSD schools

or

2. Irvine address with TUSD schools

All things being equal (rarely the case in RE), you will pay more for an Irvine home with TUSD vs Tustin home with IUSD.

The two enclaves  in OH will not be an apple to apple comparison. The Western enclave zoned to TUSD will be gated and have larger more expensive homes. The Eastern enclave will not be gated and start at a lower price point and probably higher density.

IMO the cheaper homes zoned to IUSD and  further from the 261 will be the better deal. It will be iinteresting how prices will shake out for these school boundary homes.

Some of the homes will be directly across from OH elementary / middle school and will instead go further to an IUSD school.
 
iacrenter said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Last time I checked, Northpark homes are pretty pricey... even West Irvine... so I'm not sure the "stigma" of TUSD is that effective.

What do you think is perceived better?

1. Tustin address with IUSD schools

or

2. Irvine address with TUSD schools

All things being equal (rarely the case in RE), you will pay more for an Irvine home with TUSD vs Tustin home with IUSD.

The two enclaves  in OH will not be an apple to apple comparison. The Western enclave zoned to TUSD will be gated and have larger more expensive homes. The Eastern enclave will not be gated and start at a lower price point and probably higher density.

IMO the cheaper homes zoned to IUSD and  further from the 261 will be the better deal. It will be iinteresting how prices will shake out for these school boundary homes.

Some of the homes will be directly across from OH elementary / middle school and will instead go further to an IUSD school.

We're going to get Irvine address with Saddleback Valley USD soon...talk about surprises.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
iacrenter said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Last time I checked, Northpark homes are pretty pricey... even West Irvine... so I'm not sure the "stigma" of TUSD is that effective.

What do you think is perceived better?

1. Tustin address with IUSD schools

or

2. Irvine address with TUSD schools

All things being equal (rarely the case in RE), you will pay more for an Irvine home with TUSD vs Tustin home with IUSD.

The two enclaves  in OH will not be an apple to apple comparison. The Western enclave zoned to TUSD will be gated and have larger more expensive homes. The Eastern enclave will not be gated and start at a lower price point and probably higher density.

IMO the cheaper homes zoned to IUSD and  further from the 261 will be the better deal. It will be iinteresting how prices will shake out for these school boundary homes.

Some of the homes will be directly across from OH elementary / middle school and will instead go further to an IUSD school.

We're going to get Irvine address with Saddleback Valley USD soon...talk about surprises.

I'll take SVUSD any day over the schools assigned to the Irvine homes in Central Park West.
 
Tyler Durden said:
The better question is if someone can afford a $2M home, why are they sending their kids to public school instead of private school anyway?
Why do you assume private school is better than public IUSD?

Affording a $2M in Irvine just makes someone a middle class millionaire.  It's not real wealth.
 
Tyler Durden said:
It is not an assumption that its better... its just an alternative, as is home schooling.

It would be logical that paying for school would provide smaller class sizes in smaller private vs. the available public schools, because there are fewer folks willing or capable of paying for the private school tuition. 
This is consistent with smaller class sizes for smaller private schools in colleges and universities.

Some people prefer that approach, rather than the 30-40 deep class sizes in many schools.
Agree with the small class size.  I actually do think private school is better, just wanted to get your prospective.  I just don't think private school is that much better than IUSD to justify the crazy tuition of most/all private schools.
 
OCgasman said:
Tyler Durden said:
It is not an assumption that its better... its just an alternative, as is home schooling.

It would be logical that paying for school would provide smaller class sizes in smaller private vs. the available public schools, because there are fewer folks willing or capable of paying for the private school tuition. 
This is consistent with smaller class sizes for smaller private schools in colleges and universities.

Some people prefer that approach, rather than the 30-40 deep class sizes in many schools.
Agree with the small class size.  I actually do think private school is better, just wanted to get your prospective.  I just don't think private school is that much better than IUSD to justify the crazy tuition of most/all private schools.

Class size is definitely an issue but private schools don't have to hire certified/credentialed teachers and do not have to follow common core standards instituted by the state.  Since public schools pay more than private schools and have better benefits, most new teachers gravitate toward public school and use private schools as a fall back position.   

This is not to say that private schools don't have good teachers, just that their standards are lower.  Private schools may look for other skills/traits and require alternative certification. 

Interestingly, IUSD is on the low end of the pay scale for teachers in Orange County.  Of course, they have a lot of institutional and parental support as opposed to other districts.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/teachers-290138-average-salary.html?data=1
 
I've been looking into this a lot lately.

The question is do you trust TUSD to ensure that the kids going to those schools are from that immediate area. Once kids start getting bused in from all over (not literal buses), scores will drop, and prices will drop.

For my money, its IUSD or nothing.
 
rube77 said:
I've been looking into this a lot lately.

The question is do you trust TUSD to ensure that the kids going to those schools are from that immediate area. Once kids start getting bused in from all over (not literal buses), scores will drop, and prices will drop.

For my money, its IUSD or nothing.

This is why TIC should charge the same $2M for the gated, 4K sqft+ detatched SFR assigned to TUSD as the non-gated, motorcourt home assigned to IUSD  ;) Some folks are willing to donate a kidney to get into IUSD.
 
rube77 said:
I've been looking into this a lot lately.

The question is do you trust TUSD to ensure that the kids going to those schools are from that immediate area. Once kids start getting bused in from all over (not literal buses), scores will drop, and prices will drop.

For my money, its IUSD or nothing.
It's this mindset that's justifying TIC's pricing.  Not saying it's right or wrong but IUSD is one of the biggest reasons families are willing to spend more for less in Irvine. 

Rube, do you think that Beckman is a worse school than Northwood?
 
Tyler Durden said:
OCgasman,

Here is your evidence that shows Beckman is higher ranked (for whatever that is worth):

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/california/rankings?name=school+name&schooltypepublic=y&schooltypemagnet=y&state=ca&county=IRVINE%2CTUSTIN%2CLAKE+FOREST%2Cnewport+beach%2CLAGUNA+BEACH%2CALISO+VIEJO%2CMISSION+VIEJO%2CSANTA+ANA&schooltypecharter=y
Oh, I know where it's ranked.  Just wanted Rube's POV. 
 
We have been recently looking at Northpark despite the TUSD assignment.

The thing that keeps us back is we have friends who are not very fond of the schools. At the same time, I know others who are very fond of them. You will see that in IUSD also (we are only so-so with our area schools).

I do think that if you are spending $2m on a home, whether you finance it or buy it all cash, that does put you in a position to choose any type of school, public, private or home... but it doesn't necessarily mean you are defaulted to one of those. I know people who are in the higher end that home school and in the lower end that home school... same with public/private.
 
bones said:
We've been looking in Northpark as well because we don't care if it's IUSD or TUSD.  We are also open to private school.  But there's nothing to buy (everything is either overpriced, not for sale or have various shortcomings)!  And there's certainly no "TUSD discount".  I wish there was though.
Yep... when I see $1mil for some of those homes... I tell my wife -- "You know that Tustin Ranch is just down the road and you can get a 3CWG for $1mil".

The unicorn is frustrating.
 
OCgasman said:
I just don't think private school is that much better than IUSD to justify the crazy tuition of most/all private schools.

Public schools are cheaper how?

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Tyler Durden said:
You cannot ensure anyone who utilizes any public service is going to be of a certain economic background.  Keep in mind that there are sections of Irvine that have low and moderate income housing, even trailer parks.
This is true but there is no ignoring the large gap in general between Irvine and TUSD (and SAUSD to even greater degree ).

If we're talking "where is the best place to send your kid", the scores are irrelevant. The only scores that matter are your kids scores and that is going to have more to do with your kid and how you raise them. The question is really what kind of kids do you want them going to school with.

I would rank the HS's Northwood > Woodbridge >>> Uni >>>>>> Irvine. This is ignoring location. (Uni + Woodbridge is going to be a much shorter commute for a lot of people).

I would send my kids to Beckman before Irvine. Would have to think hard about the other three.

Anyway at the end of the day you're gambling to a degree on the "good" TUSD schools staying good or reverting to the mean. It doesn't make financial sense for me. But I wouldn't have any issue sending my kid to those schools right now.

(Full disclosure, I'm in a situation where I can send my kids to any IUSD school regardless of where I end up buying, due to numerous relatives in the area.)
 
Also I know IUSD recently got really strict with residency requirements due to the new funding method, but when did they get so strict about inner-district residency? In the mid 90's if you wanted to go to Uni for HS, you just signed up regardless of where you lived within Irvine.
 
rube77 said:
(Full disclosure, I'm in a situation where I can send my kids to any IUSD school regardless of where I end up buying, due to numerous relatives in the area.)
I'm not understanding this disclosure.  You can only legally go to the school you're zoned in based on permanent residency.  Are you saying you would lie to attend another school?  Or are you saying you would farm out your child to another family member's home so your child could legally go to that zoned school?  If it's the former, it's unethical and morally corrupt...if it's the latter, well I won't judge another person's parenting technique.
 
OCgasman said:
rube77 said:
(Full disclosure, I'm in a situation where I can send my kids to any IUSD school regardless of where I end up buying, due to numerous relatives in the area.)
I'm not understanding this disclosure.  You can only legally go to the school you're zoned in based on permanent residency.  Are you saying you would lie to attend another school?  Or are you saying you would farm out your child to another family member's home so your child could legally go to that zoned school?  If it's the former, it's unethical and morally corrupt...if it's the latter, well I won't judge another person's parenting technique.

C'mon you already know the answer.
 
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