Irvinecommuter
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momopi said:
Sorry but I don't buy it re Oath Keepers:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-group
Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
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Sorry but I don't buy it re Oath Keepers:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-group
?Teacher in Custody After Reports of Shooting at Georgia High School, Police Say
DALTON, Ga.) ? Police officers responded to reports of shots fired inside a Georgia high school on Wednesday and a teacher who was apparently barricaded in a classroom was taken into custody, authorities said.?
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5179477/dalton-high-school-shooting
This happened today!!
As the political divide widens, you can expect both Oath Keepers and SPLC to move further toward intolerance of the opposition. SPLC has already started blacklisting outspoken critics as extremists.
In upcoming years I expect to see proposals like:
"National Statue for Promotion of Tolerance" as cover to send critics to reeducation programs, likely starting with schools.
"Media Improvement Committee" as cover for censorship and book removal from libraries/amazon.com.
That's pretty crazy. SPLC has a great history of naming extremists and racist organizations. It is unfair to lump them with some upstart organization moving toward the overthrown of the government.
Or your standard of what a "hate group" is has changed.
I use pretty simple criteria. If you show up to support history and pride of southern confederacy and find yourself in a march with Tiki torches chanting 'jew will not replace us...'
You're on the wrong side.
Similarly, if you start a riot because some shock jock wannabe you don't agree with is going to speak in an auditorium, you're also on the wrong side.
Not in the same category:
According to the SPLC, ?Extremists in the U.S. come in many different forms ? white nationalists, anti-gay zealots, black separatists, racist skinheads, neo-Confederates and more.?
Violence is one for of expression for hate. Politicians that advocate for hateful legislation should also be called out.
I mean should Strom Thurmond and George Wallace not be considered along with KKK?
Change is hard...see 1960s. We are having a societal shift..old guard trying hard to keep the change from coming.
Not exactly . and this is a good point to highlight and discuss actually
1. Gays and other "cool" groups , hipsters etc moving into a neighborhood adds to its perceived value
2. Young educated families comfortable w diversity adds value to a neighborhood - both parents working elite white collar jobs etc
3. Gun crazy loners and white supremacists do NOT add value to a neighborhood
The "white" flight you are talking about (and correct me if I misinterpreted you) -- is when poor minorities move into a neighborhood and whites who dont want to do the heavy lifting to help w assimilation call it quits. this generally leads to a drop in home values . Example could be Hyde Park neighborhood in Chicago. These whites are not necessarily conservative - and this is a KEY distinction from what I am talking below
The second type of white flight is actually beneficial for a neighborhood -- this is when conservative whites live in a neighborhood that is increasingly being seen as desirable by newer , well educated and rich immigrants. The whites leaving in this case does NOT lead to a degradation in neighborhood value or drop in home prices . An example here would be older whites fleeing Irvine for San Clemente , etc. The younger generations are much more comfortable with different cultures , cuisines etc and as long as there is good mix of educated people with focus on family and kids, the neighborhood continues to thrive.
Again, I realize I am making broad sweeping generalizations here and there will be a multitude of exceptions.
Sorry but I don't buy it re Oath Keepers:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/07/25/oath-keepers-rally-reveals-radical-politics-group
?Teacher in Custody After Reports of Shooting at Georgia High School, Police SayDALTON, Ga.) ? Police officers responded to reports of shots fired inside a Georgia high school on Wednesday and a teacher who was apparently barricaded in a classroom was taken into custody, authorities said.?
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5179477/dalton-high-school-shooting
This happened today!!
momopi
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Irvinecommuter said:
As the political divide widens, you can expect both Oath Keepers and SPLC to move further toward intolerance of the opposition. SPLC has already started blacklisting outspoken critics as extremists.
In upcoming years I expect to see proposals like:
"National Statue for Promotion of Tolerance" as cover to send critics to reeducation programs, likely starting with schools.
"Media Improvement Committee" as cover for censorship and book removal from libraries/amazon.com.
Irvinecommuter
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momopi said:
That's pretty crazy. SPLC has a great history of naming extremists and racist organizations. It is unfair to lump them with some upstart organization moving toward the overthrown of the government.
Liar Loan
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SPLC used to have a great reputation. Now they have been shown to list people/groups they disagree with politically as hate groups. They are diluting the meaning of "hate group" in order to smear people they don't like, and collect fat donations from politically aligned activists in the process.
morekaos
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Irvinecommuter
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Liar Loan said:
Or your standard of what a "hate group" is has changed.
nosuchreality
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Irvinecommuter said:
I use pretty simple criteria. If you show up to support history and pride of southern confederacy and find yourself in a march with Tiki torches chanting 'jew will not replace us...'
You're on the wrong side.
Similarly, if you start a riot because some shock jock wannabe you don't agree with is going to speak in an auditorium, you're also on the wrong side.
Irvinecommuter
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Liar Loan said:
Not in the same category:
According to the SPLC, ?Extremists in the U.S. come in many different forms ? white nationalists, anti-gay zealots, black separatists, racist skinheads, neo-Confederates and more.?
Irvinecommuter
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Liar Loan said:
Violence is one for of expression for hate. Politicians that advocate for hateful legislation should also be called out.
I mean should Strom Thurmond and George Wallace not be considered along with KKK?
momopi
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The corruption of SPLC is just a reflection of the political divide. To me, the First Amendment is too high of a price to pay for banning/burning the Turner Diaries. But the political reality is that many of the younger generation do not hold the same values. They would self identify as progressive while I get labelled reactionary. The American Revolutionary War will be taught as a war started by political radicals (Founding Fathers) and unnecessary, pointing to Canada as example of achieving their eventual independence without violence.
When I was young, I was taught that after a Presidential Election, the winner and loser will shake hands, be friends and go back to being one country. In future I expect a country of bad losers, refusing to concede while taking polar opposite ideological positions. I don't think we'd have civil war but the risk of mass political unrest, protest, rioting/looting, etc. in urban areas cannot be ignored.
What can we expect in such scenario? Delivery trucks will stop running and supermarket shelves will be emptied within 1-3 days. Gas stations will be closed, utilities may be down, law enforcement/emergency services gone, and it may take days to weeks before the national guard arrives to restore order.
Here's a few points to prepare for such scenario:
1. Put away $50/month this year for your prepping budget.
2. Store drinking water. Costco sells 6 pack 1 gallon water jugs that I've stored in backyard store bin for 3 years and still tastes fine. Or you can use to water plants after 3 years and replace with new ones. Plan on at least 1/2 gallon (preferably one gallon) per person per day.
3. Store food. Costco canned chicken/beef/fish has 3-5+ year shelf life and can be rotated by weekly use -- just use it to make chicken salad once a week. You don't need to buy expensive MRE sausage patties that look like and taste like cat food.
4. Store medicine. In addition to first aid and over the counter meds, you can obtain extra prescription meds that you um, "lost" or "spilled" by paying out of pocket at the pharmacy. Don't be greedy as meds expire and remember to rotate.
5. Store hygiene items, including "honey bucket" toilets. It's a toilet seat cover for buckets and you can buy them at Walmart. Store it with quality kitchen trash bags and toilet paper. After use just tie the trash bag and dispose in trash bin outside. You don't need the expensive honey bucket toilet bags.
When I was young, I was taught that after a Presidential Election, the winner and loser will shake hands, be friends and go back to being one country. In future I expect a country of bad losers, refusing to concede while taking polar opposite ideological positions. I don't think we'd have civil war but the risk of mass political unrest, protest, rioting/looting, etc. in urban areas cannot be ignored.
What can we expect in such scenario? Delivery trucks will stop running and supermarket shelves will be emptied within 1-3 days. Gas stations will be closed, utilities may be down, law enforcement/emergency services gone, and it may take days to weeks before the national guard arrives to restore order.
Here's a few points to prepare for such scenario:
1. Put away $50/month this year for your prepping budget.
2. Store drinking water. Costco sells 6 pack 1 gallon water jugs that I've stored in backyard store bin for 3 years and still tastes fine. Or you can use to water plants after 3 years and replace with new ones. Plan on at least 1/2 gallon (preferably one gallon) per person per day.
3. Store food. Costco canned chicken/beef/fish has 3-5+ year shelf life and can be rotated by weekly use -- just use it to make chicken salad once a week. You don't need to buy expensive MRE sausage patties that look like and taste like cat food.
4. Store medicine. In addition to first aid and over the counter meds, you can obtain extra prescription meds that you um, "lost" or "spilled" by paying out of pocket at the pharmacy. Don't be greedy as meds expire and remember to rotate.
5. Store hygiene items, including "honey bucket" toilets. It's a toilet seat cover for buckets and you can buy them at Walmart. Store it with quality kitchen trash bags and toilet paper. After use just tie the trash bag and dispose in trash bin outside. You don't need the expensive honey bucket toilet bags.
Irvinecommuter
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momopi said:
Change is hard...see 1960s. We are having a societal shift..old guard trying hard to keep the change from coming.
For all the talk about lumping actual hate groups with non violent charitable non profits --
who wants to live next door to these psychos ? What if a bunch of oath keepers moved next door to your neighborhood ? Would home values go up because the neighborhood now has more people who believe in the founding principles ?
all this libertarian b/s is fine when you want romantic speeches but I bet you none of the so called "think tankers" from Cato / Heritage want these wackos anywhere near them
As I pointed out in one of my earlier posts , many of the right wing groups may have started off with noble causes but in the age of trump / Fox News / breitbart , they have reducted down to
1. blood and soil nationalism
2. strictly defining American culture as "white " culture not to be polluted with others
3. demonizing the other side and treating every issue as a "war" - us versus them
4. govt encroachment is something to be fought w arms when it is the other side but when it is trump telling states what to do with mariuana , it is fine . Same w deficits and debt.
who wants to live next door to these psychos ? What if a bunch of oath keepers moved next door to your neighborhood ? Would home values go up because the neighborhood now has more people who believe in the founding principles ?
all this libertarian b/s is fine when you want romantic speeches but I bet you none of the so called "think tankers" from Cato / Heritage want these wackos anywhere near them
As I pointed out in one of my earlier posts , many of the right wing groups may have started off with noble causes but in the age of trump / Fox News / breitbart , they have reducted down to
1. blood and soil nationalism
2. strictly defining American culture as "white " culture not to be polluted with others
3. demonizing the other side and treating every issue as a "war" - us versus them
4. govt encroachment is something to be fought w arms when it is the other side but when it is trump telling states what to do with mariuana , it is fine . Same w deficits and debt.
Irvinecommuter
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DICKS sporting goods will stop selling assault style weapons.
https://www.theblaze.com/video/ceo-...sale-of-assault-style-weapons-is-irreversible
And yes the proper name is DICKS sporting goods (the word dicks is all caps)
https://www.theblaze.com/video/ceo-...sale-of-assault-style-weapons-is-irreversible
And yes the proper name is DICKS sporting goods (the word dicks is all caps)
Irvinecommuter said:
momopi said:
Not exactly . and this is a good point to highlight and discuss actually
1. Gays and other "cool" groups , hipsters etc moving into a neighborhood adds to its perceived value
2. Young educated families comfortable w diversity adds value to a neighborhood - both parents working elite white collar jobs etc
3. Gun crazy loners and white supremacists do NOT add value to a neighborhood
The "white" flight you are talking about (and correct me if I misinterpreted you) -- is when poor minorities move into a neighborhood and whites who dont want to do the heavy lifting to help w assimilation call it quits. this generally leads to a drop in home values . Example could be Hyde Park neighborhood in Chicago. These whites are not necessarily conservative - and this is a KEY distinction from what I am talking below
The second type of white flight is actually beneficial for a neighborhood -- this is when conservative whites live in a neighborhood that is increasingly being seen as desirable by newer , well educated and rich immigrants. The whites leaving in this case does NOT lead to a degradation in neighborhood value or drop in home prices . An example here would be older whites fleeing Irvine for San Clemente , etc. The younger generations are much more comfortable with different cultures , cuisines etc and as long as there is good mix of educated people with focus on family and kids, the neighborhood continues to thrive.
Again, I realize I am making broad sweeping generalizations here and there will be a multitude of exceptions.