Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts

[Liar Loan]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?

I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

 

[eyephone]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

They don?t have mass shootings like the US. The quality of life is a different topic.

Was that you that you previously mentioned that your kids attend private school?

 

[Irvinecommuter]

This is interesting:

Peterson's statement said he and a security specialist ran to the scene at first word of the shooting, a report that mistakenly said firecrackers were being set off near one building. He then heard gunshots "but believed that those gunshots were originating from outside of the buildings."

Following his training to seek cover and assess the situation in the event of outdoor gunfire, he "took up a tactical position" between two nearby buildings while alerting dispatchers and initiating a "code red" lockdown of the campus, the statement said.

"Radio transmissions indicated that there was a gunshot victim in the area of the football field," adding to his belief that the shooting was outside.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/students-resolute-enter-school-shooting-045640708.html

 

[nosuchreality]

Sorry, when it takes you two weeks to come up with i thought the gunman was outside and followed my training, my BS meter chirps.

 

[fortune11]

The Lt. Governor of Georgia is threatening to use the state to punish private actors for political expression he finds distasteful

I guess this is a good example of left  wing political correctness on campus being out of control.


Georgia's lieutenant governor threatens to retaliate against Delta unless it reverses its decision on the NRA
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/26/casey-cagle-threatens-delta-cutting-nra-ties/

 

[Liar Loan]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

They don?t have mass shootings like the US. The quality of life is a different topic.

Was that you that you previously mentioned that your kids attend private school?

I didn't say quality of life.  Can you name even one 3rd world country with safer schools than the US?

 

[fortune11]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

They don?t have mass shootings like the US. The quality of life is a different topic.

Was that you that you previously mentioned that your kids attend private school?

I didn't say quality of life.  Can you name even one 3rd world country with safer schools than the US?

This article BTW is from 2012 - so will look even worse now if we add these last five years for the US


How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together
https://qz.com/37015/how-school-killings-in-the-us-stack-up-against-36-other-countries-put-together/


The data span 38 countries and nearly 250 years, from 1764 to 2010, and do not include ?single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants.?

We tried to limit any effects of possible underreporting of cases by limiting the data set to the most recent ten years of data, between 2000 and 2010, and by counting only incidents in which someone was injured or killed. (Limiting the data to 2000 or after also eliminated one country that no longer exists: Austria-Hungary.)

The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.

In the vast majority of US killings, perpetrators used guns. By comparison, China?with the second-greatest number of incidents?saw 10 mass killings, but none involving firearms. Germany saw three mass shootings; Finland saw two. Thirteen other countries each saw one incident with at least one person being wounded or killed; in the rest nobody was reported as hurt.

 

[Liar Loan]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

They don?t have mass shootings like the US. The quality of life is a different topic.

Was that you that you previously mentioned that your kids attend private school?

I didn't say quality of life.  Can you name even one 3rd world country with safer schools than the US?

This article BTW is from 2012 - so will look even worse now if we add these last five years for the US


How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together
https://qz.com/37015/how-school-killings-in-the-us-stack-up-against-36-other-countries-put-together/


The data span 38 countries and nearly 250 years, from 1764 to 2010, and do not include ?single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants.?

We tried to limit any effects of possible underreporting of cases by limiting the data set to the most recent ten years of data, between 2000 and 2010, and by counting only incidents in which someone was injured or killed. (Limiting the data to 2000 or after also eliminated one country that no longer exists: Austria-Hungary.)

The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.

In the vast majority of US killings, perpetrators used guns. By comparison, China?with the second-greatest number of incidents?saw 10 mass killings, but none involving firearms. Germany saw three mass shootings; Finland saw two. Thirteen other countries each saw one incident with at least one person being wounded or killed; in the rest nobody was reported as hurt.

So which 3rd world country has safer schools than the US?

 

[fortune11]

I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks

Big difference:  Gay rights was about granting new rights to millions of people.  Gun control is about removing the rights of millions of people.

Any time you mess with somebody's rights, they are going to fight harder than the other side.

I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.

Ok, which 3rd world countries have safer schools than the US?  You must have one or two in mind, right?

They don?t have mass shootings like the US. The quality of life is a different topic.

Was that you that you previously mentioned that your kids attend private school?

I didn't say quality of life.  Can you name even one 3rd world country with safer schools than the US?

This article BTW is from 2012 - so will look even worse now if we add these last five years for the US


How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together
https://qz.com/37015/how-school-killings-in-the-us-stack-up-against-36-other-countries-put-together/


The data span 38 countries and nearly 250 years, from 1764 to 2010, and do not include ?single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants.?

We tried to limit any effects of possible underreporting of cases by limiting the data set to the most recent ten years of data, between 2000 and 2010, and by counting only incidents in which someone was injured or killed. (Limiting the data to 2000 or after also eliminated one country that no longer exists: Austria-Hungary.)

The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.

In the vast majority of US killings, perpetrators used guns. By comparison, China?with the second-greatest number of incidents?saw 10 mass killings, but none involving firearms. Germany saw three mass shootings; Finland saw two. Thirteen other countries each saw one incident with at least one person being wounded or killed; in the rest nobody was reported as hurt.

So which 3rd world country has safer schools than the US?

there is a list of 36 countries in that article many of which are developing (or  "3rd world") .  all of those have less incidents from school shootings than the US.

why do you keep repeating this question -- do you know for a fact all the " 3rd world " countries are unsafe compared to US in school shootings ?  do you have any data to prove it ?

As eyephone  clearly said , we are not talking about quality of life here -- maybe in those countries kids gets killed more often by traffic accidents walking on unpaved roads to school, or from communicable diseases  -  those are separate topics - we are not going to use the lowest common denominator as a benchmark for the United States here .

 

[momopi]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

One more reason why teachers should not be armed.  Confusion as to the number of shooters and hinders law enforcement ability to clear areas and victims.

 

[nosuchreality]

There are 195 countries, why pick those 36?

Now, given the iist of disclaimers and exclusions not to mention data sources (does Azerbijan have a great news service), it seems to eliminate most conflict outside the US

Now, does access to weapons make impulsive young adults more prone to attacking two or more?  Yes i suspect so.  Does it make them more likily to plan or attempt Parkland?  I havent seen that in the studies.

As for causes... Pick your pet thing, healthcare. Social safety net, income inequality, alcohol and drugs... Theyve all been linked tomhigher violence rates.

BTW, did you know our homocides rates have steadily fallen in linecwith our alcohol consumption as a country? 

 

[eyephone]

To effectively stop centerfire rifle caliber hits you need "hard" body armor, typically steel or ceramic plate inserts for plate carriers.  You'll also need padding and anti-fragmentation protection, all of which adds to significant amount of weight.  The plates also only protect limited (chest) area (10"x12" or 11"x14"), you'll need front, back, and possibly side plate inserts.

Add weight of firearm, ammunition, radio, IFAK (first aid), non-lethal sidearm (taser?), etc. and you won't be running very fast.  I'm not sure how realistic it would be to expect every school guard to be outfitted in hard body armor.  You might need to give them golf carts to go around.

For my EDC (Every Day Carry) I pack lightweight soft plate insert (11"x14"), celox, z fold gauze and little roll of duct tape.  The soft plate will only stop pistol caliber but it's light enough that you won't notice it in your pack.

How about inserting the plate in our kids backpack?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

This just makes me have more questions.

Why do you have body armor with you?

I?m assuming you carry too. I remember seeing pics of you back in the IHB days and I never thought you were in the Jason Bourne/Jack Reacher/John Wick line of work.

 

[eyephone]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

This just makes me have more questions.

Why do you have body armor with you?

I?m assuming you carry too. I remember seeing pics of you back in the IHB days and I never thought you were in the Jason Bourne/Jack Reacher/John Wick line of work.

I?m guessing the times have changed.

 

[fortune11]

Sigh ... again making me do all the work for you

Read the article before responding automatically to oppose ? the data covers countries with 4 b in population , in other words most of humanity . But let?s not let facts come in the way shall we ?

The simple point was to support eyephones basic comment about gun violence at US schools versus others and I did.  No one else has refuted it .  Russian trolls / drudge / breitbart / etc can post scary headlines (albeit in bad english) and create sensational photoshopped  graphics but they are not good with excel spreadsheets .

Again , correlation is not causation  . Another line of thinking and  research links accesbility to birth control and abortion to drop in crime - but try telling that to evangelicals on the right

How about we link the secular drop in interest rates over last 30 years to drop in crime - that will correlate as well , no ?

 

[momopi]

This just makes me have more questions.
Why do you have body armor with you?
I?m assuming you carry too. I remember seeing pics of you back in the IHB days and I never thought you were in the Jason Bourne/Jack Reacher/John Wick line of work.

I'm a Prepper, not a gunslinger.  The idea is to be discrete while being reasonably prepared.  This means you don't want to look like an operator (or wanna be):

* Instead of military style backpack in multicam/black/coyote, you use a laptop/school/hiking backpack or messenger style laptop bag.
* Instead of a black range bag, you use a "bass pro shops" blue fishing/tackle/boat bag.
* Instead of tactical molle pouch in desert tan/black/green, you use a small sony/canon/nikon digital camera case.

My preference is to be light on my feet, so I only have soft armor insert for my kit.  In case of emergency I'd hold my pack/bag like a shield (covering head/chest area) and scoot.  Note that soft armor will only protect against handgun threats and are useless against rifles.

For my EDC (Every Day Carry) I pack a few emergency first aid items.  I'm not a medical professional and I'm only listing a few items that I've purchased and carried (in laptop bag, belt pouch, or pocket) for emergencies:
https://www.rescue-essentials.com/celox-rapid-ribbon/https://www.rescue-essentials.com/quikclot-combat-gauze-z-folded-military/https://www.rescue-essentials.com/celox-a/

The web site carries large assortment of emergency first aid products.  Do your own research and consult with medical professional as needed.

I do not carry firearms under normal conditions.  If SHTF and I need to leave the house, I'd pack a lightweight Ruger LCR revolver (<1 lb).  Revolvers only hold 5-6 rounds but I need the reliability and not having to worry about racking the slide, stovepipes, dud rounds, etc. -- it goes bang when I need it to.

How about inserting the plate in our kids backpack?

The soft plate inserts are on sale right now:https://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-body-armor/backpack-armor.htmlhttps://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-body-armor/level-iiia-body-armor.html

 

[Happiness]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

This just makes me have more questions.

Why do you have body armor with you?

I?m assuming you carry too. I remember seeing pics of you back in the IHB days and I never thought you were in the Jason Bourne/Jack Reacher/John Wick line of work.

You're more likely to get capped in a confrontation with Paris than momo.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

So momopi wears light armor "every day"?
I thought he was in IT, not covert combat missions.

It's in my pack, I don't actively wear it.  In case of emergency, hold over vital body area (head/chest).

If an assailant sees you wearing plate carrier, they'd just shoot you in the head.  Cops might confuse you as the assailant as well.  Unless if you're wearing a jacket, it's difficult to hide plate carrier profile.

This just makes me have more questions.

Why do you have body armor with you?

I?m assuming you carry too. I remember seeing pics of you back in the IHB days and I never thought you were in the Jason Bourne/Jack Reacher/John Wick line of work.

You're more likely to get capped in a confrontation with Paris than momo.

If I ever get in a confrontation with momo...I would just invite him to eat some good ramen or Korean BBQ.