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Hmmm..but we should assume that armed teachers with minimal training will step in?
Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts
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Hmmm..but we should assume that armed teachers with minimal training will step in?
Except now 3 other deputies may not have gone in either.
I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.
Either change the law or put a police at every school like a jewelry store or bank. If the cost is too high for a police, make sure the security guard is armed.
Another idea is to have the national guard in front of the school. It may sound funny, but this might be the only solution.
Include mandatory metal detectors at all high schools.
Hmmm..but we should assume that armed teachers with minimal training will step in?
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Burn That Belly said:
Except now 3 other deputies may not have gone in either.
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You can't expect someone else to play hero when your life is in danger. A cop is under no legal obligation to risk his own well being for you.
Remember the LA Riots when the LAPD abandoned the law abiding citizens to the rioters? Remember watching helicopter news footage of citizens being assaulted by rioters and wondering where the LAPD were? I know a LA County Sheriff deputy who was watching the LA Riots on the TV news and saw rioters shooting at fire fighters trying to contain the fires. This deputy was so outraged the LAPD was not doing anything he took his own personal rifle and went to the Riot area himself (without official authorization and putting his career in jeopardy) to try to protect the fire fighters risking their lives to save the city.
Remember the LA Riots when the LAPD abandoned the law abiding citizens to the rioters? Remember watching helicopter news footage of citizens being assaulted by rioters and wondering where the LAPD were? I know a LA County Sheriff deputy who was watching the LA Riots on the TV news and saw rioters shooting at fire fighters trying to contain the fires. This deputy was so outraged the LAPD was not doing anything he took his own personal rifle and went to the Riot area himself (without official authorization and putting his career in jeopardy) to try to protect the fire fighters risking their lives to save the city.
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Good summary ... I guess now we know which traitor companies hate the constitution , eh ?
As usual denial , denial , denial first .. and then lo and behold ? everyone flips to ? hey , we knew it all along , nothing to see here ,move on
I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks
As usual denial , denial , denial first .. and then lo and behold ? everyone flips to ? hey , we knew it all along , nothing to see here ,move on
I have seen this movie play before w the gay rights issue - apples and oranges to be fair , but similar culture shift dynamics playing out slowly till the dam breaks
Irvinecommuter said:
A really good , in depth article written by a doctor based on his recent firsthand experience .
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren?t the first victims of a mass shooting the Florida radiologist had seen?but their wounds were radically different
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/?__twitter_impression=true
With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care.
As a doctor, I feel I have a duty to inform the public of what I have learned as I have observed these wounds and cared for these patients. It?s clear to me that AR-15 or other high-velocity weapons, especially when outfitted with a high-capacity magazine, have no place in a civilian?s gun cabinet. I have friends who own AR-15 rifles; they enjoy shooting them at target practice for sport, and fervently defend their right to own them. But I cannot accept that their right to enjoy their hobby supersedes my right to send my own children to school, to a movie theater, or to a concert and to know that they are safe. Can the answer really be to subject our school children to active shooter drills?to learn to hide under desks, turn off the lights, lock the door and be silent?instead of addressing the root cause of the problem and passing legislation to take AR-15-style weapons out of the hands of civilians?
If politicians want to back comprehensive mental-health reform, I am all for it. As a medical doctor, I?ve witnessed firsthand the toll that mental-health issues take on families and the individuals themselves who have no access to satisfactory long-term mental-health care. But the president and Congress should not use this issue as an excuse to deliberately overlook the fact that the use of AR-15 rifles is the common denominator in many mass shootings.
A medical professor taught me about the dangers of drawing incorrect conclusions from data with the example of gum chewing, smokers, and lung cancer. He said smokers may be more likely to chew gum to cover bad breath, but that one cannot look at the data and decide that gum chewing causes lung cancer. It is the same type of erroneous logic that focuses on mental health after mass shootings, when banning the sale of semi-automatic rifles would be a far more effective means of preventing them.
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) of 1994 included language which prohibited semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, and also large-capacity magazines with the ability to hold more than 10 rounds. The ban was allowed to expire after 10 years on September 13, 2004. The mass murders that followed the ban?s lapse make clear that it must be reinstated.
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren?t the first victims of a mass shooting the Florida radiologist had seen?but their wounds were radically different
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/?__twitter_impression=true
With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care.
As a doctor, I feel I have a duty to inform the public of what I have learned as I have observed these wounds and cared for these patients. It?s clear to me that AR-15 or other high-velocity weapons, especially when outfitted with a high-capacity magazine, have no place in a civilian?s gun cabinet. I have friends who own AR-15 rifles; they enjoy shooting them at target practice for sport, and fervently defend their right to own them. But I cannot accept that their right to enjoy their hobby supersedes my right to send my own children to school, to a movie theater, or to a concert and to know that they are safe. Can the answer really be to subject our school children to active shooter drills?to learn to hide under desks, turn off the lights, lock the door and be silent?instead of addressing the root cause of the problem and passing legislation to take AR-15-style weapons out of the hands of civilians?
If politicians want to back comprehensive mental-health reform, I am all for it. As a medical doctor, I?ve witnessed firsthand the toll that mental-health issues take on families and the individuals themselves who have no access to satisfactory long-term mental-health care. But the president and Congress should not use this issue as an excuse to deliberately overlook the fact that the use of AR-15 rifles is the common denominator in many mass shootings.
A medical professor taught me about the dangers of drawing incorrect conclusions from data with the example of gum chewing, smokers, and lung cancer. He said smokers may be more likely to chew gum to cover bad breath, but that one cannot look at the data and decide that gum chewing causes lung cancer. It is the same type of erroneous logic that focuses on mental health after mass shootings, when banning the sale of semi-automatic rifles would be a far more effective means of preventing them.
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) of 1994 included language which prohibited semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, and also large-capacity magazines with the ability to hold more than 10 rounds. The ban was allowed to expire after 10 years on September 13, 2004. The mass murders that followed the ban?s lapse make clear that it must be reinstated.
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The Doctors story, while emotional, does not address the fact that medical error/malpractice are the 3rd highest cause of death in the U.S. It can be argued that this Doctor is potentially more ife-threatening than a rifle is. As well the highest school shooting kill count was at Virginia Tech, accomplished by hand guns and not rifles. A 6 shot revolver is a "semi automatic weapon" and if used along with speed loads is as efficient as an AR-15 only with more deadly bullet options. No doubt, guns in the wrong hands are very dangerous, but was that the problem in Florida?
There is precious little rationality to the "No one should have an AR-15 " argument due to its basis in misdirected fear. This shooter - and many others like him - could have been stopped by family, local law enforcement, and national agencies but wasn't. Blame now needs to be placed on the living, not inanimate objects nor the law abiding owners of these guns. Fix these issues first as a long term solution. In the short run, a ban may feel good, but if you believe a ban will stop killers from obtaining the weapons they want, I have a bridge in New York to sell you.
Also, don't take one post as a summary of everything I believe about 2A Rights. I support a 10 day waiting period on all weapon purchases. I support a 21 year old age limit on ownership (but not on use) . I support the taking of firearms from convicted domestic abuse perpetrators. I hope the law will change to require the surrender of all guns by anyone prescribed any mood altering pharma, as well as other gun laws that could have a direct impact, other than a feel good band aid blanket ban targeting law abiding and unimpared owners.
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There is precious little rationality to the "No one should have an AR-15 " argument due to its basis in misdirected fear. This shooter - and many others like him - could have been stopped by family, local law enforcement, and national agencies but wasn't. Blame now needs to be placed on the living, not inanimate objects nor the law abiding owners of these guns. Fix these issues first as a long term solution. In the short run, a ban may feel good, but if you believe a ban will stop killers from obtaining the weapons they want, I have a bridge in New York to sell you.
Also, don't take one post as a summary of everything I believe about 2A Rights. I support a 10 day waiting period on all weapon purchases. I support a 21 year old age limit on ownership (but not on use) . I support the taking of firearms from convicted domestic abuse perpetrators. I hope the law will change to require the surrender of all guns by anyone prescribed any mood altering pharma, as well as other gun laws that could have a direct impact, other than a feel good band aid blanket ban targeting law abiding and unimpared owners.
My .02c
Soylent Green Is People said:
I think a person can say: School safety here is worst than a school in a third world country.
Either change the law or put a police at every school like a jewelry store or bank. If the cost is too high for a police, make sure the security guard is armed.
Another idea is to have the national guard in front of the school. It may sound funny, but this might be the only solution.
Include mandatory metal detectors at all high schools.
In my opinion: According to varies news articles. The US school system is behind compared to the other advanced countries. Teachers should focus on teaching and not security patrol at schools.
It?s like a doctor doing security patrol at a hospital. It doesn?t make sense.
It?s like a doctor doing security patrol at a hospital. It doesn?t make sense.
What a load of shit. Typical Atlantic nonsense. Damage is done by the bullet, not the gun. By far the most commonly used ammo for AR-15 type weapons is .223 ball ammo because that is the most reliable type for a semi auto. Being full metal jacket, ball ammo is less destructive that soft points or hollow points, the two most common types of handgun ammo. Notice this "doctor" compares an AR-15 to some generic handgun. Is he talking about a Walther PPK or a Desert Eagle? Give me a break.fortune11 said: