Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts

[fortune11]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

Honestly...I think this generation of adults are probably the most selfish one in a long while.  It's all about my needs and rights...tons of social legislation passed in the 1960s in part because the responsible adults then grew up during Depression and WW2.  Basically since the 80s...the US has done pretty well...results in too much self-interest.

 

[morekaos]

Exactly, they said that about the Yuppies in the 80's, the 30 something in the 90's and the millennials in the 2000's.  It is the way we are.  And from what I can see generation Z is really no different in its self interest.  Why I always laugh at the "this isn't us"  "this is not who we are" crowd because....it is.

 

[fortune11]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

Honestly...I think this generation of adults are probably the most selfish one in a long while.  It's all about my needs and rights...tons of social legislation passed in the 1960s in part because the responsible adults then grew up during Depression and WW2.  Basically since the 80s...the US has done pretty well...results in too much self-interest.

The key item is lack of empathy for others , tribalism instinct is very high

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Exactly, they said that about the Yuppies in the 80's, the 30 something in the 90's and the millennials in the 2000's.  It is the way we are.  And from what I can see generation Z is really no different in its self interest.  Why I always laugh at the "this isn't us"  "this is not who we are" crowd because....it is.

I think they meant that this is what United States/America is...deviation from the norm in the last 20 or 30 years but correction due.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

Honestly...I think this generation of adults are probably the most selfish one in a long while.  It's all about my needs and rights...tons of social legislation passed in the 1960s in part because the responsible adults then grew up during Depression and WW2.  Basically since the 80s...the US has done pretty well...results in too much self-interest.

The key item is lack of empathy for others , tribalism instinct is very high

Race as well...old white people feeling threatened that their dominant social position is disappearing.  California dealt with the same issues in the 1990s.

 

[fortune11]

Exactly, they said that about the Yuppies in the 80's, the 30 something in the 90's and the millennials in the 2000's.  It is the way we are.  And from what I can see generation Z is really no different in its self interest.  Why I always laugh at the "this isn't us"  "this is not who we are" crowd because....it is.

Yes but over the decades we are still becoming more progressive socially aren?t we ?  While boomers fall under the spell of evangelical preachers and toxic media , they become more and more detached from the rest of the country ...

 

[morekaos]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

Honestly...I think this generation of adults are probably the most selfish one in a long while.  It's all about my needs and rights...tons of social legislation passed in the 1960s in part because the responsible adults then grew up during Depression and WW2.  Basically since the 80s...the US has done pretty well...results in too much self-interest.

The key item is lack of empathy for others , tribalism instinct is very high

Race as well...old white people feeling threatened that their dominant social position is disappearing.  California dealt with the same issues in the 1990s.

If that is what you really believe then like I said.  You will have to wait for this "selfish" generation to die out.  Nothing will change for now, you will just have to wait.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Or like in the real world...freedom riders and the Civil Rights movement.  Vietnam War protests.

This was a total layup ...

And also instructive to see how did civil rights and iraq war polled among the ?responsible adults ? at the time ... NOT in hindsight

People have a tendency to extrapolate  what they believe now into assuming they were like this back in the past too , classic ?recency  bias ?

And the great financial crisis was also a legacy of the ?responsible adults ? , something that still lingers as it destroyed earning power of millennials compared to other generations . The NPV or net present value of lost opportunities and incomes adds up fast .

While ?responsible adults ? are still reaping most of the rewards of the asset price boom (stocks , real estate ) .

Honestly...I think this generation of adults are probably the most selfish one in a long while.  It's all about my needs and rights...tons of social legislation passed in the 1960s in part because the responsible adults then grew up during Depression and WW2.  Basically since the 80s...the US has done pretty well...results in too much self-interest.

The key item is lack of empathy for others , tribalism instinct is very high

Race as well...old white people feeling threatened that their dominant social position is disappearing.  California dealt with the same issues in the 1990s.

If that is what you really believe then like I said.  You will have to wait for this "selfish" generation to die out.  Nothing will change for now, you will just have to wait.

Sort of...a lot of it has to do with the younger generation basically giving up politics after the 1970s...due to Vietnam and Nixon.  We may be seeing a resurgence.

 

[morekaos]

Exactly, they said that about the Yuppies in the 80's, the 30 something in the 90's and the millennials in the 2000's.  It is the way we are.  And from what I can see generation Z is really no different in its self interest.  Why I always laugh at the "this isn't us"  "this is not who we are" crowd because....it is.

Yes but over the decades we are still becoming more progressive socially aren?t we ?  While boomers fall under the spell of evangelical preachers and toxic media , they become more and more detached from the rest of the country ...

I'm not so sure. If anything, Trump is a reaction  too much movement to the left on social issues.  (PC thought, LBGTYZ, same sex marriage, non gender bathrooms, single parent heroes and so on).  It went too far too fast, this was a predictable push back.

 

[morekaos]

You may be right but from my little sampling of youth, they are breathtakingly uniformed about politics, and just how our political system works.  Maybe thats changing , I don't know,  but these kids are leading with emotion, not well thought out arguments.  I see the mistakes in the markets that emotion can cause. This is no different.

 

[Happiness]

It's as if a YA Dystopian Novel (Hunger Games/The Maze Runner, etc ad nausea) or the plot of Rogue One is playing out. Inexperienced youth being used by the powers that be to overthrow the tyrannical government du jour.  I've seen this movie before, as I'm sure we all have. I don't know about you, but having kids argue policy may sound right, but it lacks the weight of experience and historical context. As a similar protest ready teen myself at one point, I thank God none of my protest solutions of that time were ever made law.

BTW - Ever wonder what the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for?

Wonder no more:

https://www.nssf.org/msr/

Armalite was located on 16th Street in Costa Mesa until it closed in the 80s. The AR-15 is just one of many innovative products they designed. The current company using the Armalite name just uses the name and has no relation to the original Armalite. The patent on the AR-15 expired decades ago so every gun maker around the world makes an AR-15 type product. Armalite, like Philco Ford, Rockwell, etc., is just another ghost of OC's legendary industrial/scientific past. Like the AR-15, the ubiquitous Sidewinder (AIM-9) heat seeking missile and its clones are used by every country in the world and was invented right here in OC, specifically at the Philco Ford Electronics company where the One Ford Road neighborhood now stands. Every time I go to the Goat Hill Tavern, I still raise a glass to Armalite.

 

[sgip]

Funny stuff, reading about how 14-17 year olds were instrumental with the Freedom Rider movement, Vietnam protests and the Civil Rights movement.  Um... actually... no. They were college aged protestors which is a significant difference to what's happening today on CNN.

The other, more important distinction: It's unpossible to compare a publically educated 1957 / 1967 vintage 18 year old to a vintage 2017 18 year old with todays public education. Sure, most 18 year olds today know how to post a YouTube video or have some idea what happened in Florida, but ask them to point out Romania on a map, who the Secretary of State is today, or the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, and be ready for some pretty amazing blank stares in response. That cannot be said for the children of the 50's and 60's.

In no way am I saying everything should flow back to "them good ol days" of the Eisenhower/Kennedy years - but school shootings have expanded geometrically since April 20th, 1999 due to societal ills, not availability of weapons.  To miss that, is to miss it all. You don't stop mass shootings with "thoughts and prayers", nor do you by banning weapons. Neither address the real issues before us in these situations.

My .02 on this.

 

[morekaos]

Additionally I am gonna say it...that we spend an inordinate amount of time on things that really affect a minuscule percentage of the population.  Let's be honest, the likelihood that your child will be killed in an assault style mass shooting at his or her school is worse that winning the lottery.  I am not discounting the pain and anguish of these families but the 24/7 drumbeat makes it seem that this happens every day of every week in every city and state...it doesn't.  For a kid to be afraid to go to school because he may be massacred is tantamount to me spending my lottery winnings from my eventual win Friday night.  But we will talk about this endlessly just like gender neutral bathrooms (.0001%) of the proliferation  or campus gang rapes (.001%) or nooses in trees on campus (.001%). These things fortunately,  will not touch many, if any of us, in our lifetimes but it's all the rage to talk about...OK fire at will.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Funny stuff, reading about how 14-17 year olds were instrumental with the Freedom Rider movement, Vietnam protests and the Civil Rights movement.  Um... actually... no. They were college aged protestors which is a significant difference to what's happening today on CNN.

The other, more important distinction: It's unpossible to compare a publically educated 1957 / 1967 vintage 18 year old to a vintage 2017 18 year old with todays public education. Sure, most 18 year olds today know how to post a YouTube video or have some idea what happened in Florida, but ask them to point out Romania on a map, who the Secretary of State is today, or the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, and be ready for some pretty amazing blank stares in response. That cannot be said for the children of the 50's and 60's.

In no way am I saying everything should flow back to "them good ol days" of the Eisenhower/Kennedy years - but school shootings have expanded geometrically since April 20th, 1999 due to societal ills, not availability of weapons.  To miss that, is to miss it all. You don't stop mass shootings with "thoughts and prayers", nor do you by banning weapons. Neither address the real issues before us in these situations.

My .02 on this.

Actually 14 year old are a lot more mature and "world wise" now than  18 year old back in the 1960s.  Most 18 years in 1950s/1960s never left their hometowns whereas kids today are interacting and connected to people and ideas from all over the world since they were small children. 

Also...mass shooting didn't exploded since 1999...they exploded after 2005...after the assault weapons ban expired.  And most of those shooting occurring since 2005 have been done with semi-auto rifles.

Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014 that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Additionally I am gonna say it...that we spend an inordinate amount of time on things that really affect a minuscule percentage of the population.  Let's be honest, the likelihood that your child will be killed in an assault style mass shooting at his or her school is worse that winning the lottery.  I am not discounting the pain and anguish of these families but the 24/7 drumbeat makes it seem that this happens every day of every week in every city and state...it doesn't.  For a kid to be afraid to go to school because he may be massacred is tantamount to me spending my lottery winnings from my eventual win Friday night.  But we will talk about this endlessly just like gender neutral bathrooms (.0001%) of the proliferation  or campus gang rapes (.001%) or nooses in trees on campus (.001%). These things fortunately,  will not touch many, if any of us, in our lifetimes but it's all the rage to talk about...OK fire at will.

We are apparently supposed to gear gun policy, the structure of schools, teacher's skill, and a bunch of other things around a tiny population of people who really really like their guns.

 

[Kings]

Additionally I am gonna say it...that we spend an inordinate amount of time on things that really affect a minuscule percentage of the population.  Let's be honest, the likelihood that your child will be killed in an assault style mass shooting at his or her school is worse that winning the lottery.  I am not discounting the pain and anguish of these families but the 24/7 drumbeat makes it seem that this happens every day of every week in every city and state...it doesn't.  For a kid to be afraid to go to school because he may be massacred is tantamount to me spending my lottery winnings from my eventual win Friday night.  But we will talk about this endlessly just like gender neutral bathrooms (.0001%) of the proliferation  or campus gang rapes (.001%) or nooses in trees on campus (.001%). These things fortunately,  will not touch many, if any of us, in our lifetimes but it's all the rage to talk about...OK fire at will.

And the reason for this is 24/7 news coverage and trending tweets.  Tragedies are the media's wet dream.  The media profits off of the country's losses.  Think about that one.

 

[sgip]

Irvinecommuter... it's already established that there is no such thing as an "Assault Rifle". Even if such a thing existed, that's not what the Florida shooter used. Perhaps you mean a weapon with a high caliber magazine that's modified to shoot as a machine gun - which is an AK47. Not really seeing any AK's being used in that list.

Let's try this another way.

There are more guns than teachers today.

There are too many kids killed by other kids in school shootings.

Yet....There are far more children raped by teachers than there are kids being killed by other kids in school shootings. This is a terrible fact.

Teachers, being fewer in number than guns, statistically represent a much higher risk percentage to school children than guns ever do.

As far as my Google-Fu will take me using only "IUSD teacher accused of" I show in the last 4 years roughly 3 IUSD employees accused of raping children, and yet -0- school shootings on an IUSD campus. Which then is the greater threat at an IUSD campus, a teacher or a gun?

At this point in time, if you haven't already been protesting child rape as loudly as school shootings, there's still time to get involved. Will you work as hard to ban teachers as you do to ban inanimate objects like guns? If not, then don't your actions demonstrate that you quietly support teacher rapists instead of victimized kids?

Actions, as it's been said, speak louder than words.

My .02c

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Irvinecommuter... it's already established that there is no such thing as an "Assault Rifle". Even if such a thing existed, that's not what the Florida shooter used. Perhaps you mean a weapon with a high caliber magazine that's modified to shoot as a machine gun - which is an AK47. Not really seeing any AK's being used in that list.

Let's try this another way.

There are more guns than teachers today.

There are too many kids killed by other kids in school shootings.

Yet....There are far more children raped by teachers than there are kids being killed by other kids in school shootings. This is a terrible fact.

Teachers, being lower in number than guns, clearly represent a much higher risk percentage to children than guns do.

The raging epidemic of child rape by teachers, just as the lower in number but terrible none the less epidemic of school shootings is caused not by inanimate objects (guns) but by those who use these guns or in the case of raping teachers their place of authority to harm kids.

At this point in time, if you haven't already been protesting child rape as loudly as school shootings, there's still time to get involved. Will you work as hard to ban teachers as you do to ban inanimate objects like guns? If not, then don't your actions demonstrate what you quietly support? Actions, as it's been said, speak louder than words.

My .02c

The assault weapons ban is literally the name of the bill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

Somehow, we seem to be not able to deal with two separate issues at the same time and we also require teachers to be licensed and pass background checks.

 

[riznick]

How can there be a ban on a firearm that our military and police may carry while maintaining our 2nd amendment rights?
The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so we can go hunting.  It exists so that we can defend our property and our rights.

Like I said early on.  If you want constitutional gun control, then you need to repeal or change the 2nd amendment. 

Yes, many judges uphold unconstitutional laws.  That's because our judges would rather help legislate based on their own opinions than do their jobs right.