Once again...nothing to be done but prayers and thoughts

[Irvinecommuter]

How can there be a ban on a firearm that our military and police may carry while maintaining our 2nd amendment rights?
The 2nd amendment doesn't exist so we can go hunting.  It exists so that we can defend our property and our rights.

Like I said early on.  If you want constitutional gun control, then you need to repeal or change the 2nd amendment. 

Yes, many judges uphold unconstitutional laws.  That's because our judges would rather help legislate based on their own opinions than do their jobs right.

Nope...cause you know SC and judges interpret the Constitution.  It's in the Constitution.

Laws that are upheld by Supreme  Court and judges are by definition...constitutional. 

And you know who enacted those laws?  The legislative branch!

 

[fortune11]

And yes ? Responsible adults have no problem trusting the country?s highest office to someone whose qualifications were running beauty pageants and hosting the Apprentice !

But damn , these immature kids

 

[riznick]

Nope...cause you know SC and judges interpret the Constitution.  It's in the Constitution.

Laws that are upheld by Supreme  Court and judges are by definition...constitutional. 

And you know who enacted those laws?  The legislative branch!

And a tomato is legally a vegetable because of those sorts of things.  The Supreme Court is often a joke.  The courts are often a joke.  Do you really think every SC ruling has been correct?

 

[riznick]

I am curious how many Bump Stock mass shooting incidents there have been.  I know of the Las Vegas incident.  Any others?

 

[nosuchreality]

Nope...cause you know SC and judges interpret the Constitution.  It's in the Constitution.

Laws that are upheld by Supreme  Court and judges are by definition...constitutional. 

And you know who enacted those laws?  The legislative branch!

And a tomato is legally a vegetable because of those sorts of things.  The Supreme Court is often a joke.  The courts are often a joke.  Do you really think every SC ruling has been correct?

Careful, you don't what to cross any veggie libel laws...  (also real things)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Nope...cause you know SC and judges interpret the Constitution.  It's in the Constitution.

Laws that are upheld by Supreme  Court and judges are by definition...constitutional. 

And you know who enacted those laws?  The legislative branch!

And a tomato is legally a vegetable because of those sorts of things.  The Supreme Court is often a joke.  The courts are often a joke.  Do you really think every SC ruling has been correct?

I didn't realize  Nix v. Hedden involved a constitutional issue...please identify constitutional issues in that case for me.

Correct is highly subjective...constitutional is determined by the courts, including the Supreme Court. 

So again...by definition a law is constitutional if the Supreme Court says it is...it's in the Constitution.  While the Supreme Court did affirm an individual person's right to own a gun, it also concluded that the government has the right to regulate such a right, like all constitutional rights.

Courts have repeatedly found that laws prohibiting military style weapons, requiring background checks, imposing waiting periods, limiting magazine sizes, etc. are in fact constitutional. 
https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2018/02/economist-explains-14

In fact, the 4th Circuit has held that military style weapons are not even covered by the 2nd Amendment.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ult-weapons-en-banc-4th-circuit-idUSKBN1612PU

 

[nosuchreality]

Courts have repeatedly found that laws prohibiting military style weapons, requiring background checks, imposing waiting periods, limiting magazine sizes, etc. are in fact constitutional.

Yea, so what is it you want for gun control?

List it out.

I say list it out because I think the majority want the above.  I often find the 'gun control' blanket though has people sliding in 'fixing' the negligence laws (really meaning making manufacturers responsible for illegal use of the guns) and 'requiring' "insurance" or "training courses"  which often sounds more like voter literacy tests of the segregated south than an actual training course and backhanded attempt to make gun ownership financial impossible.

 

[morekaos]

Additionally I am gonna say it...that we spend an inordinate amount of time on things that really affect a minuscule percentage of the population.  Let's be honest, the likelihood that your child will be killed in an assault style mass shooting at his or her school is worse that winning the lottery.  I am not discounting the pain and anguish of these families but the 24/7 drumbeat makes it seem that this happens every day of every week in every city and state...it doesn't.  For a kid to be afraid to go to school because he may be massacred is tantamount to me spending my lottery winnings from my eventual win Friday night.  But we will talk about this endlessly just like gender neutral bathrooms (.0001%) of the proliferation  or campus gang rapes (.001%) or nooses in trees on campus (.001%). These things fortunately,  will not touch many, if any of us, in our lifetimes but it's all the rage to talk about...OK fire at will.

We are apparently supposed to gear gun policy, the structure of schools, teacher's skill, and a bunch of other things around a tiny population of people who really really like their guns.

Not at all. Thankfully, I don?t know anyone who?s child was slaughtered in a school mass shooting. I doubt many do also.  However, I know scores of people who own these types of weapons. I bet many here do. It?s not a tiny population, it?s much more than you think.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Additionally I am gonna say it...that we spend an inordinate amount of time on things that really affect a minuscule percentage of the population.  Let's be honest, the likelihood that your child will be killed in an assault style mass shooting at his or her school is worse that winning the lottery.  I am not discounting the pain and anguish of these families but the 24/7 drumbeat makes it seem that this happens every day of every week in every city and state...it doesn't.  For a kid to be afraid to go to school because he may be massacred is tantamount to me spending my lottery winnings from my eventual win Friday night.  But we will talk about this endlessly just like gender neutral bathrooms (.0001%) of the proliferation  or campus gang rapes (.001%) or nooses in trees on campus (.001%). These things fortunately,  will not touch many, if any of us, in our lifetimes but it's all the rage to talk about...OK fire at will.

We are apparently supposed to gear gun policy, the structure of schools, teacher's skill, and a bunch of other things around a tiny population of people who really really like their guns.

Not at all. Thankfully, I don?t know anyone who?s child was slaughtered in a school mass shooting. I doubt many do also.  However, I know scores of people who own these types of weapons. I bet many here do. It?s not a tiny population, it?s much more than you think.

And many of those who own guns are for gun control.  It's the tiny minority of gun owners who support the stances advocated by the NRA and gun makers.
https://www.usnews.com/news/article...ity-of-americans-nra-members-back-gun-control

 

[fortune11]

This is the only language these people understand ? when it starts to hurt them in the pocketbook

BlackRock has questions for gun companies after Florida massacre

By Danielle Wiener-Bronner February 22, 2018: 6:20 PM ET
BlackRock has some questions for gun companies about their response to the school shooting in Florida.
The giant investment management company "will be engaging with weapons manufacturers and distributors to understand their response to recent events," spokesperson Ed Sweeney said in a statement.
BlackRock (BLK) is the largest shareholder in gunmakers Sturm Ruger (RGR) and American Outdoor Brands (AOBC). It is the second-largest shareholder in Vista Outdoor (VSTO).

 

[morekaos]

It won?t

 

[Irvinecommuter]

This is the only language these people understand ? when it starts to hurt them in the pocketbook

BlackRock has questions for gun companies after Florida massacre

By Danielle Wiener-Bronner February 22, 2018: 6:20 PM ET
BlackRock has some questions for gun companies about their response to the school shooting in Florida.
The giant investment management company "will be engaging with weapons manufacturers and distributors to understand their response to recent events," spokesperson Ed Sweeney said in a statement.
BlackRock (BLK) is the largest shareholder in gunmakers Sturm Ruger (RGR) and American Outdoor Brands (AOBC). It is the second-largest shareholder in Vista Outdoor (VSTO).

Yup

For more than a decade, the First National Bank of Omaha has offered special branded Visa cards to National Rifle Association members to support the group. On Thursday, following two days of public pressure, the bank announced it ?will not renew its contract? with the NRA.

The bank confirmed, in a tweet, that ?customer feedback caused? the decision

https://thinkprogress.org/first-national-bank-ends-nra-visa-card-5809195f1672/

 

[Burn That Belly]

x

 

[eyephone]

Hypothetical: if you only had a glock would you go after someone with an AR-15

 

[morekaos]

This is the only language these people understand ? when it starts to hurt them in the pocketbook

BlackRock has questions for gun companies after Florida massacre

By Danielle Wiener-Bronner February 22, 2018: 6:20 PM ET
BlackRock has some questions for gun companies about their response to the school shooting in Florida.
The giant investment management company "will be engaging with weapons manufacturers and distributors to understand their response to recent events," spokesperson Ed Sweeney said in a statement.
BlackRock (BLK) is the largest shareholder in gunmakers Sturm Ruger (RGR) and American Outdoor Brands (AOBC). It is the second-largest shareholder in Vista Outdoor (VSTO).

Yup

For more than a decade, the First National Bank of Omaha has offered special branded Visa cards to National Rifle Association members to support the group. On Thursday, following two days of public pressure, the bank announced it ?will not renew its contract? with the NRA.

The bank confirmed, in a tweet, that ?customer feedback caused? the decision

https://thinkprogress.org/first-national-bank-ends-nra-visa-card-5809195f1672/

First National Bank of Omaha?  Shoot there goes my Costco card, who could stand this pressure? Who will fold next? East Cambria Student Credit Union? There goes my Treasury Swift account with Luxembourg.  Puleeeze!! Nothing will change.

 

[Burn That Belly]

x

 

[fortune11]

Seriously , are we financially savvy people now going to pretend the world s largest asset manager taking a stance won?t  matter , even incrementally ?  Reminds me of that giant  bird and the sand and something something ...

This is how all these things turn - bit by bit , till it becomes a cascading effect over a longer period and the tipping point happens ...

And then when it finally happens , we can all claim we knew it all along in hindsight

 

[riznick]

Funny how the NRA is taking so much heat for something that they had no part of.  What do they do?  They stick up for the constitution.  Apparently, that is evil.

 

[riznick]

Hypothetical: if you only had a glock would you go after someone with an AR-15

i dont think anyone truly knows until they are put in that situation. 

I bet a lot of people who say they would, actually wouldnt.

Ironically, i usually say that i would probably avoid the situation too, but when these things actually happen, im one of the people diving into danger helping others.  In my case, yeah i probably would go in if i had a glock.

 

[Happiness]

Funny how the NRA is taking so much heat for something that they had no part of.  What do they do?  They stick up for the constitution.  Apparently, that is evil.

The NRA was founded in 1870 by US Army officers in New York City (NYC was apparently not a gun free zone back in 1870) in order to promote civilian marksmanship on behalf of the US government. For the first century of the NRA's existence, it was closely tied with the US government in promoting civilian marksmanship through agencies such as the Defense Department, DCM, Quartermaster General, Springfield Armory, etc. and actually shared many key personnel with said US government agencies.

When gun control began to rear it ugly head in the late 1960's with the rise of the radical left, the NRA organized an Institute for Legislative Action to lobby Congress. The ILA started as a small organization and only grew in direct response to the growth of legislative threats to gun ownership. Unfortunately, the ILA has now overtaken the NRA's original mandate but this is not the NRA's fault, the gun control industry put them in that position.

The elite doesn't care about the NRA. The elite's real target is the half of US households that are gun owners who the elite view as neanderthals and a threat to their world view. Since it is politically problematic to directly attack half the country, the elite attack the NRA as a proxy. That's why the NRA always gets blamed when some tragedy like this happens.