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For those who don't think the whole thing is a joke:
https://news.yahoo.com/california-police-department-held-superspreader-174041242.htmlTop department supervisors believed it was important to "attend the training event to address our officers and recognize and thank them for their time, dedication, and sacrifice during this election period," Long Beach police spokeswoman Allison Gallagher said in a statement.
"At the conclusion, a photograph was taken with officers wearing facial coverings," Gallagher added. "However, other photographs were taken where officers are not wearing facial coverings."
The department stopped short of apologizing, but said "we recognize the potential health and safety concerns that the photo raises regarding Covid-19."
Irvinecommuter said:Oh and since we are exposing politicians for hypocrisy...we need to do some for the rank and file as well
https://news.yahoo.com/california-police-department-held-superspreader-174041242.htmlTop department supervisors believed it was important to "attend the training event to address our officers and recognize and thank them for their time, dedication, and sacrifice during this election period," Long Beach police spokeswoman Allison Gallagher said in a statement.
"At the conclusion, a photograph was taken with officers wearing facial coverings," Gallagher added. "However, other photographs were taken where officers are not wearing facial coverings."
The department stopped short of apologizing, but said "we recognize the potential health and safety concerns that the photo raises regarding Covid-19."
Soylent Green Is People said:This may be a thread about how terrible things are in the United States, but for some perspective, whats going on in Europe?
Take the top 5 European nations listed you have a very near equal to the United States in population infections, and death counts. What's happening here in the land of the free and home of the brave, is the exact thing happening elsewhere.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases
Some considerations:
Only 5 European area nations are used for comparison. The United States is 50 individual states, each with their own plans and protocols.
Of the 5 comparative nations, Russia has it's own vaccine and has been using it longer than the US.
This is only to say that while it's bad that people are dying, and difficult to have limited hospital space, it would from statistics appear that no matter what you do, the death rate per population is the same across the spectrum. A very, very small group of nations are doing much better than the rest of us - if you trust the numbers (In China's case, I do not)
Even with the benefit of universal healthcare (all 5 European nations offer it to their citizens) the death rate compared to the US is nearly identical.
Could we do better? Perhaps. It's an unknown what would be required of our citizenry and if the results of these actions would yield any different results.
My .02c
nosuchreality said:Fatalism, that's the problem.
The end is coming.
It is our choice, do another 100,000 to 200,000 die in the UsA before the end, you do we continue with the fatalism and have 4000 a day die and another half million die before the end.
We are 20,000 dead a week. There's frankly another 80,000 in the bag, probably 100,000.
The question is do we step up to slow it, or just say fuck it and let 100,000 die a month until late spring.
morekaos said:nosuchreality said:Fatalism, that's the problem.
The end is coming.
It is our choice, do another 100,000 to 200,000 die in the UsA before the end, you do we continue with the fatalism and have 4000 a day die and another half million die before the end.
We are 20,000 dead a week. There's frankly another 80,000 in the bag, probably 100,000.
The question is do we step up to slow it, or just say fuck it and let 100,000 die a month until late spring.
Not fatalism, realism.
Soylent Green Is People said:Don't most flu bugs worsen in the Winter? Given the recent rise in cases, some of the increase has to be considered "seasonal" rather than "situational".
My .02c
nosuchreality said:morekaos said:nosuchreality said:Fatalism, that's the problem.
The end is coming.
It is our choice, do another 100,000 to 200,000 die in the UsA before the end, you do we continue with the fatalism and have 4000 a day die and another half million die before the end.
We are 20,000 dead a week. There's frankly another 80,000 in the bag, probably 100,000.
The question is do we step up to slow it, or just say fuck it and let 100,000 die a month until late spring.
Not fatalism, realism.
Fatalism.
Realism is seeing and taking action.
Fatalism is seeing and doing nothing.
Soylent Green Is People said:@Kenoko - The reason 5 European area countries were chosen in my example is because that's what the EU sourced data in the link had in their top line. Germany, Great Britain, France, Spain, and Russia.
morekaos said:nosuchreality said:morekaos said:nosuchreality said:Fatalism, that's the problem.
The end is coming.
It is our choice, do another 100,000 to 200,000 die in the UsA before the end, you do we continue with the fatalism and have 4000 a day die and another half million die before the end.
We are 20,000 dead a week. There's frankly another 80,000 in the bag, probably 100,000.
The question is do we step up to slow it, or just say fuck it and let 100,000 die a month until late spring.
Not fatalism, realism.
Fatalism.
Realism is seeing and taking action.
Fatalism is seeing and doing nothing.
So far, running around with your hair on fire has not seemed to have advance the ball much.
nosuchreality said:morekaos said:nosuchreality said:morekaos said:nosuchreality said:Fatalism, that's the problem.
The end is coming.
It is our choice, do another 100,000 to 200,000 die in the UsA before the end, you do we continue with the fatalism and have 4000 a day die and another half million die before the end.
We are 20,000 dead a week. There's frankly another 80,000 in the bag, probably 100,000.
The question is do we step up to slow it, or just say fuck it and let 100,000 die a month until late spring.
Not fatalism, realism.
Fatalism.
Realism is seeing and taking action.
Fatalism is seeing and doing nothing.
So far, running around with your hair on fire has not seemed to have advance the ball much.
Pretending there is nothing to do has killed 300,000.
Japan did it, sadly 40% doesn't want to try.
They want to sit ina bar and have a beer.