coronavirus

[nosuchreality]

The big three comorbidity: obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes are chronic diseases that shorten people?s lives.  Large number of people have them and 100s of thousands die of complications of them every year. 

While 100s of thousand die, they live for decades with the diseases. The basic gap I see repeated over and over is that are acting as if the people with comorbidities are basically ready hospice before covid strikes them. 

Yes 40% are dying in the nursing homes, that means 60% are not in the nursing homes.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

The big three comorbidity: obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes are chronic diseases that shorten people?s lives.  Large number of people have them and 100s of thousands die of complications of them every year. 

While 100s of thousand die, they live for decades with the diseases. The basic gap I see repeated over and over is that are acting as if the people with comorbidities are basically ready hospice before covid strikes them. 

Yes 40% are dying in the nursing homes, that means 60% are not in the nursing homes.

Yes that is true but the 60% is from a lot larger pool of people.

Outbreak at Woodbridge:
https://abc7.com/orange-county-high-schools-oc-students-staff/8644008/

 

[usctrojancpa]

The big three comorbidity: obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes are chronic diseases that shorten people?s lives.  Large number of people have them and 100s of thousands die of complications of them every year. 

While 100s of thousand die, they live for decades with the diseases. The basic gap I see repeated over and over is that are acting as if the people with comorbidities are basically ready hospice before covid strikes them. 

Yes 40% are dying in the nursing homes, that means 60% are not in the nursing homes.

Yes that is true but the 60% is from a lot larger pool of people.

Outbreak at Woodbridge:
https://abc7.com/orange-county-high-schools-oc-students-staff/8644008/

And at Mater Dei too.

 

[nosuchreality]

221,267 new cases
106,668 Hospitalized
3124 deaths.

Two weeks ago hospitalizations were at 90,000, three weeks 80K.

The 7 day average new cases is at 204,356.  Two weeks ago it was 163,836.

On the brightside, positive tests seem to be topping out around 220K, whether that is an actual top or capacity limit is to be seen.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

221,267 new cases
106,668 Hospitalized
3124 deaths.

Two weeks ago hospitalizations were at 90,000, three weeks 80K.

The 7 day average new cases is at 204,356.  Two weeks ago it was 163,836.

On the brightside, positive tests seem to be topping out around 220K, whether that is an actual top or capacity limit is to be seen.

We shall see but positivity rate is holding steady, which seems to mean that we are at testing capacity.

 

[qwerty]

221,267 new cases
106,668 Hospitalized
3124 deaths.

Two weeks ago hospitalizations were at 90,000, three weeks 80K.

The 7 day average new cases is at 204,356.  Two weeks ago it was 163,836.

On the brightside, positive tests seem to be topping out around 220K, whether that is an actual top or capacity limit is to be seen.

We shall see but positivity rate is holding steady, which seems to mean that we are at testing capacity.

The positivity rate wouldn?t necessarily be impacted by testing capacity. If the testing capacity stayed the same and the spread was getting worse one would expect the positivity rate to increase.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

221,267 new cases
106,668 Hospitalized
3124 deaths.

Two weeks ago hospitalizations were at 90,000, three weeks 80K.

The 7 day average new cases is at 204,356.  Two weeks ago it was 163,836.

On the brightside, positive tests seem to be topping out around 220K, whether that is an actual top or capacity limit is to be seen.

We shall see but positivity rate is holding steady, which seems to mean that we are at testing capacity.

The positivity rate wouldn?t necessarily be impacted by testing capacity. If the testing capacity stayed the same and the spread was getting worse one would expect the positivity rate to increase.

That is true...but with positivity rate and number of positive cases staying flat...it is likely an indication of backlog or max capacity.  At best, the pandemic is still raging at 11% positivity rate.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/covid-19-testing-capacity-strained-surge-demand-n1249592

Based upon anecdotal evidence, it takes about a week to schedule a test in OC.  I cannot imagine the backlog in other places.

 

[eyephone]

People are still try to down play the disease.
Hypothetical: If more people get it. If they handle/prepare the food, farm, meat, fruits. Can they contaminate the food?
(one solution is at home microwave or re-cook the meat)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

People are still try to down play the disease.
Hypothetical: If more people get it. If they handle/prepare the food, farm, meat, fruits. Can they contaminate the food?
(one solution is at home microwave or re-cook the meat)

No cases of anyone getting the disease from food/grocery...the boxes and bags they come is a different story.

BTW: In case the "stats" and "facts" do not sway you...here is some pretty compelling anecdotal evidence (oxymoron but hey...its 2020)
https://twitter.com/ByKimberleyA/status/1337106291848835072?s=20

Larry Fitzgerald said he feels a lot better now since, but still can?t taste or smell anything due to COVID. Added: ?There were a couple days I didn?t feel great.?

He dropped about 9lbs, and with all the free time he had, he re-did his will

 

[eyephone]

Reuters: China finds coronavirus on frozen meat, packaging from Latin America, New Zealand

The Chinese city of Jinan said over the weekend it had found coronavirus on beef and tripe and their packaging from Brazil, Bolivia and New Zealand, while two other provincial capitals detected it on packaging on pork from Argentina.

China is ramping up testing on frozen foods after repeatedly detecting the virus on imported products, triggering disrupting import bans, even as the World Health Organization says the risk of catching COVID-19 from frozen food is low.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-china-meat-int-idUSKBN27V0E4

 

[eyephone]

Reuters: China finds coronavirus on frozen meat, packaging from Latin America, New Zealand

The Chinese city of Jinan said over the weekend it had found coronavirus on beef and tripe and their packaging from Brazil, Bolivia and New Zealand, while two other provincial capitals detected it on packaging on pork from Argentina.

China is ramping up testing on frozen foods after repeatedly detecting the virus on imported products, triggering disrupting import bans, even as the World Health Organization says the risk of catching COVID-19 from frozen food is low.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-china-meat-int-idUSKBN27V0E4

China's irritated trade partners push back on coronavirus food tests

Major food-producing countries are growing increasingly frustrated with China's scrutiny of imported products and are calling on it to stop aggressive testing for the coronavirus, which some say is tantamount to a trade restriction.

China says it has found the virus on the packaging of products from 20 countries including German pork, Brazilian beef and Indian fish, but foreign officials say the lack of evidence produced by authorities means it is damaging trade and hurting the reputation of imported food without reason.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-food-idUSKBN27X14P

 

[eyephone]

Idk who is telling the truth. But it seems plausible that if someone breathes or coughs while packing the meat or if the animal had it then it got slaughtered.


I don?t know if it is a way to drive down prices for cheaper meat? But on the other hand they need the meat.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Reuters: China finds coronavirus on frozen meat, packaging from Latin America, New Zealand

The Chinese city of Jinan said over the weekend it had found coronavirus on beef and tripe and their packaging from Brazil, Bolivia and New Zealand, while two other provincial capitals detected it on packaging on pork from Argentina.

China is ramping up testing on frozen foods after repeatedly detecting the virus on imported products, triggering disrupting import bans, even as the World Health Organization says the risk of catching COVID-19 from frozen food is low.
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-china-meat-int-idUSKBN27V0E4

I have seen those articles...I do not know of any data that shows that you can get coronavirus or the flu from eating "contaminated" food.  It's not how the virus spreads.

 

[eyephone]

This virus is new and they say something and then it may not necessarily be the best advice. For example 6 feet distance. I just read an article that a person got covid indoors sitting 20 feet away.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

This virus is new and they say something and then it may not necessarily be the best advice. For example 6 feet distance. I just read an article that a person got covid indoors sitting 20 feet away.

6 feet is direct transmission from one person or another...there are plenty of studies that you can get COVID from being in the same room with an infected person due to A/C and indoor air circulation.

It is because COVID transmits primarily through droplets but also as an aerosol...it's what make it particularly nasty and infectious. 
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/how-will-we-ever-be-safe-inside/611953/

One case study:

It is also why claims that social distancing alone is sufficient to stop COVID within an enclosed space is erroneous.

 

[momopi]

It may take months or even years to get better data.

For example, Amazon has 1.1 million employees and 20,000 infections, which is slightly less than 2%.  But the company's average employee age is ~31 and 80% of the infected probably show no symptoms.  So can we estimate that Amazon actually had 100k employees who were infected?  That would be more of a "guesstimate" than an "estimate".

Can the virus survive on objects like packaging (or a chicken burrito)?  Yes, but the viral load would be significantly lower than standing near someone who is infected and talking to your face -- or inside small enclosed space.  So if you're going to El Pollo Loco to order take out, wear a mask and wait outside for your food.

 

[eyephone]

This virus is new and they say something and then it may not necessarily be the best advice. For example 6 feet distance. I just read an article that a person got covid indoors sitting 20 feet away.

Business Insider Article: A teen got COVID-19 from a woman who stood 20 feet away for just 5 minutes

A high-school student in South Korea became infected with COVID-19 within just five minutes of sitting 20 feet away from an infected person, a new study details. 

The epidemiological team used cellphone data, video footage, genome sequencing, and even recreated the situation to come to their conclusion.

The finding demonstrates that infectious respiratory droplets can travel farther than six feet; in this case, they were propelled by the restaurant's airflow.
https://www.businessinsider.com/teen-got-covid-20-feet-five-minutes-indoors-study-2020-12

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It may take months or even years to get better data.

For example, Amazon has 1.1 million employees and 20,000 infections, which is slightly less than 2%.  But the company's average employee age is ~31 and 80% of the infected probably show no symptoms.  So can we estimate that Amazon actually had 100k employees who were infected?  That would be more of a "guesstimate" than an "estimate".

Can the virus survive on objects like packaging (or a chicken burrito)?  Yes, but the viral load would be significantly lower than standing near someone who is infected and talking to your face -- or inside small enclosed space.  So if you're going to El Pollo Loco to order take out, wear a mask and wait outside for your food.

Agree...data is not firm at this point and will take years to finalize but 290,000 is a real thing...no ICU capacity and healthcare workers being burnt out and getting sick are real things.  Honestly, it does not matter what the actual death rate is at this point...the immediacy of the crisis is already upon us.

It's not that different from the 2008 financial crisis...lots of people screaming moral hazard and "let them fail" but those people would not be able to handle the actual reality of a completely collapse of the banking, housing, and mortgage industries in this country.  It would be Great Depression 2.0.

 

[eyephone]

It may take months or even years to get better data.

For example, Amazon has 1.1 million employees and 20,000 infections, which is slightly less than 2%.  But the company's average employee age is ~31 and 80% of the infected probably show no symptoms.  So can we estimate that Amazon actually had 100k employees who were infected?  That would be more of a "guesstimate" than an "estimate".

Can the virus survive on objects like packaging (or a chicken burrito)?  Yes, but the viral load would be significantly lower than standing near someone who is infected and talking to your face -- or inside small enclosed space.  So if you're going to El Pollo Loco to order take out, wear a mask and wait outside for your food.

I also heard the recommendation to microwave the to go food.

 

[morekaos]

We are just all going to get this...no matter how careful you think you are... >

Ellen DeGeneres Tests Positive for Coronavirus, Pauses ?Ellen Show? Production

Ellen DeGeneres has tested positive for COVID-19, and production on her talk show will be paused until January, Variety has confirmed.

?Hi Everyone, I want to let you all know that I tested positive for Covid-19. Fortunately, I?m feeling fine right now. Anyone who has been in close contact with me has been notified, and I am following all proper CDC guidelines,? she wrote on Twitter on Thursday morning.

https://www.aol.com/entertainment/ellen-degeneres-tests-positive-coronavirus-173337322.html