Brightwater Huntington Beach reduced 300k?

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
xanthem - Did you buy there? If you did, then check out the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mold/cleanup.htm">CDC site on mold remediation</a>. Also, you may want <a href="http://www.ocinspection.com/">to call these guys</a>. Anyone with an inkling of an eye for what is level, and can see the gapping cracks will see the problems that will arise from this crappy construction. Once the water seeps through those cracks, there will be a nasty mold problem, then it will get to the wood and the dry rot will happen faster than ever. <a href="http://www.anticimex.se/default.asp?objectid=840">This is a PITA to clean up</a>.





Wait... do you work as a sales agent there? If you do, then if the debt payments do not make Cal Coastal go BK, then the lawsuits will. At least when the buyers get their check from the lawsuit, they can cash it at Al's liquor, buy some thunderbird and a 40 of Old E, and walk back towards home to pick up a bucket of KFC. WTF, the Starbucks is twice as far as KFC. BTW, if John Laing or Shea take over the project, when they miss their debt payment, they like to hire ambitious and happy people, they don't care for grumpy people who have to try to defend their project on a housing forum. Well, they build with quality, so they don't need to. Have you noticed I haven't tried to make their communities look bad? Yeah, that is because I don't have to, they win JD Power awards, Hearthside has won a MAME award. Insert twirling finger icon here.





Oh... wait, why didn't you mention the cheap ass cabinets? I mean for $2mil, I would expect to have at least slightly better than Ikea quality.





It doesn't matter what the prices are for these homes. They could be $300k and I still wouldn't buy there, well maybe, only because I can get the entire bathroom remodeled, and remodeled so it isn't going to be a mold and dry rot disaster for a great price. I would have to, since I know what doing construction right the first time is all about.
 
Just for your entertainment, I am all the above you just mentioned. Foremost, I am an honest evaluator. I don't fabriacte to make my case stronger. I just state the facts. The fact is the liquor store and KFC are not at the corner of the community...not even close. I'm not saying that the Brightwater community is perfect, but it's far from being the wreck you and your fellow bashers portray. Like I said from the beginning of this thread, if anyone knows of a better oc development for the price, please let me know. So far I haven't gotten any responses, but I'm still hopeful that someone will come through with some useful information.
 
<p><em>"Like I said from the beginning of this thread, if anyone knows of a better oc development for the price, please let me know. So far I haven't gotten any responses, but I'm still hopeful that someone will come through with some useful information."</em></p>

<p>I do no know of any better oc developments for the price. The prices of all of them, including Frightwater, are ludicrous. Sorry, we do not have too many developments left to pick on. Most have stopped building.</p>

<p>No useful information from me. Just a few snarky comments and a few laughs reading this thread. </p>
 
I finally get the purpose of the IHB. Basically, every community is attacked relentlessly until it is determined that the houses are overpriced and poorly built. I guess every development in Irvine has gone through the same critisism. Since there are no new developments in Irvine, I guess it's only natural to focus on Brightwater now. You thought this was fun..I can't wait for Orchard Hills to open....I can see Graphix grinning with anticipation....
 
Xan - I don't know if you are affiliated with the builder or are an owner, or none of the above, but it seems to me that rather than being pissed to high heaven about the comments, you could use them to your advantage.





You have received free market research from this thread. If affiliated with the builder, you have been given information on issues that would lead to sales resistance. You know how much businesses pay for that kind of info? Call me crazy, but rather than shooting the messenger, the first thing I would do is figure out how to solve the real(?) / perceived(?) problems that have been identified.





If you are an owner, you have been given free information on construction issues to look out for. I don't know one whit about construction, so if someone told me that I should have someone inspect certain areas for problems and call the builder to fix them while the home is still under warranty (assuming these come with warranty), I would be sending thank you notes. If I'm the builder, yeah, it sucks to re-do a problem, but its way cheaper than CD litigation 10 years from now.





Something to consider, perhaps.
 
<p><em>"I finally get the purpose of the IHB. Basically, every community is attacked relentlessly until it is determined that the houses are overpriced and poorly built."</em></p>

<p>IR - Does IHB have a mission statement? </p>
 
<p>xanthem,</p>

<p>If you can't accept honest criticism of Brightwater that is your problem. The snarkiness wasn't started by IHB regulars, but by a prospective homebuyer. Not only was he intentionally offensive, but his accusations were completely off the mark, as are yours. The original poster asked about a price reduction, and then for clarification, and then posted his impression after touring the models. The relentless attacks didn't come until IHB posters were attacked for stating their opinion based on their personal perceptions. I can understand your defensiveness based on your connection with the property, but being an ass isn't going to change the fact that that development has some real issues that are working against it in a market that is clearly under duress. </p>

<p>If the models have obvious construction defects, if the asking price is clearly out of line with current comps and market prices, if there is an odor problem noticeable to people not from the area, and if the layout of the lots isn't acceptable to prospective buyers, then it is safe to say that Brightwater has a problem. Pointing that out isn't a 'relentess attack' any more than saying it gets foggy along the coast; it's just observation and opinions. As Eva noted, this is the kind of information that can be used to identify the causes of slow sales and allow Brightwater to resolve those issues to accelerate sales. As someone who has a vested interest in it's success, I would hope that you would embrace the truth rather than rant against it. That isn't a way to engage the prospective buyers that have identified themselves on the pages of this thread, nor is it going to help the reputation of Brightwater.</p>
 
hey, it's free writing here, well kinda, but especially when somebody actually goes out and does research, all the power to them.

write away, everything you can find. i'll use what i can.



i wont agree with everything said.

i will filter out the snarks and use the facts.

i thank you and move on.
 
<p>Personally, I have never been to Brightwater, but when someone makes G's opinion on a development into a personal issue, they are inviting ridicule.</p>

<p>G came over to my house and then wrote up how silly our decorating was in the IHB and how our house smells and how funny looking our dog is and that we pay too much for rent. I did not take it personally. Does anyone know what kind of car he drives and where he lives? </p>
 
IHB has definitely made it.





The amount of transparent defensive posturing on this forum these days from realtors, landlords, homedebtors and the like has become downright pervasive.
 
<em>"I finally get the purpose of the IHB. Basically, every community is attacked relentlessly until it is determined that the houses are overpriced and poorly built."</em>





No, we just pick on the ones that <em>are </em>overpriced and poorly built. I don't think anyone posting on the IHB really gives a (insert your colorful euphemism here) about Brightwater. We are, however, having a great deal of entertainment at the expense of those who feel an emotional need to defend it. Please continue...
 
"I don't think anyone posting on the IHB really gives a (insert your colorful euphemism here) about Brightwater."



Oh really...I don't think I would take the trek all the way out to Huntington Beach if I didn't give a (insert your colorful euphemism here) about Brightwater. A poster asked how may houses have sold so far? Does anyone know? I guess it was more important to disect the tile/cabinet worksmanship and fung shui than to make this inquiry. I wouldn't ask either if I had no intentions on buying. Eval, your points are well taken. Wouldn't market research, however, require that you target the right population of prospective buyers? I don't have a problem with critism as long as it's truthful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's sensationalism that I have a problem with which can be found throughout this thread. I have been out to Irvine and Brea as well. The houses are not what I envision as my future home. Yet, I don't find the need to post about the shortcomings of these neighborhoods as some people like to do on this forum. I just look, compare, and move on. Again, I implore all you intelligent minds to help me find a more worthy development since Brightwater is obviously flawed...
 
<p><em>Again, I implore all you intelligent minds to help me find a more worthy development since Brightwater is obviously flawed...</em> </p>

<p>Considering the dismal new home sales numbers, isn't it possible that <em>none</em> are "worthy"?</p>
 
<em>"I don't think I would take the trek all the way out to Huntington Beach if I didn't give a (insert your colorful euphemism here) about Brightwater."</em>





I guess we are a bit different here. Sometimes I go to other communities because I like to see other places and how people live there. Sometimes I go to other communities just to remind myself why I live in Irvine, but perhaps that is just me.<em>





"Yet, I don't find the need to post about the shortcomings of these neighborhoods as some people like to do on this forum. I just look, compare, and move on."</em>





Good for you (not that we care.) We do post our opinions about communities here <em>because we are a housing blog</em>. It wouldn't be much of a housing blog if giving our opinions about housing was an "off limit" topic. And why do you care? You seem to have a need to control our opinions and make them similar to your own. Why is that? You come across like a regretful homedebtor trying to convince yourself your glorified stucco box is worth more than a million dollars and we should be impressed. Either that, or you are a desperate salesperson trying to convince the world the overpriced houses you are peddling are worth more than the market will bear.





<em>"Again, I implore all you intelligent minds to help me find a more worthy development since Brightwater is obviously flawed..."</em>





Why? If you really wanted to draw on the knowledge and opinions of the members of this board, you could have explored the other threads. We have threads devoted to each of the new Irvine communities -- as one would expect on the Irvine Housing Blog -- and there is plenty of discussion of other communities in Orange County. Pricing is universally too high but that makes sense <em>because we are at the decline of a massive real estate pricing bubble</em>. Very few here are going to point to any community where the pricing is good because there are not any, although with the ongoing collapse of house prices, the situation is improving. Your comment does not appear to be intended to solicit our opinions or advice, but to engage us in a debate you hope to win by convincing us Brightwater is the greatest community to live on the planet and perhaps we should be envious of the residents there who purchased before they were priced out forever.








I shouldn't have said anything. I will probably drive them away, and I have been having way too much fun reading this thread...
 
<em>>>Wouldn't market research, however, require that you target the right population of prospective buyers?</em>





Who is the "right population of prospective buyers?" I'm guessing they are not Chinese since someone who does market research on that population has stated that feng shui is an important consideration to this population of prospective buyers. (This info is in threads other than Brightwater, so if you have not ventured out of this thread, you're missing quite a bit.) Honestly, at this point, I'm going to guess that the only "right population of prospective buyers" that the builder is concerned with is any person with the legal capacity to enter into a contract and the money and/or funds to close escrow. The builder is not picky (not to mention that the Fair Housing Act and a few other laws don't allow them to be). If you assume that no one here can afford a house in Brightwater, you haven't been reading the other comments closely. Some folks who post (and probably some who lurk) can well afford a home there. Heck, some could even pay cash for two!








<em>>> I have been out to Irvine and Brea as well. The houses are not what I envision as my future home.</em>





That's good that you know what you want. Potato, potahto. However, I would never call you out for explaining why some other development somewhere else didn't do it for you. Maybe you saw something that someone else didn't, or have a consideration that, upon putting it out there, made someone else realize that he/she had that consideration too and would appreciate you for bringing it up. It's happened to me more than once. Why is education a bad thing?





But if you are unhappy with what you read here, there is a simple solution: don't read it. Shut this thread / forum / site out of your life and be happy.
 
<em>Again, I implore all you intelligent minds to help me find a more worthy development since Brightwater is obviously flawed...








Bright water in 2009 when you drop the price..... hehehee</em>
 
<em>>>> At this point, even if the homes there are selling less than 50% off the market value, I would not live there.





That's where you and I are different. For less than 50% of market value (and at a point when market values are sane), I'll let you stash dead bodies in the attic.</em>





Winex, I will have you know that I have been cleaning Cabernet out of my keyboard ever since I first read that.
 
Feng Shui - was crap: TRUE





Cabinets - were cheap, and the handles didn't line up: TRUE





Tile work - was complete and total crap: TRUE





Is there a KFC and liquor store closer to Brightwater than the Starbucks?





<img alt="" src="http://img801.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwcloseup-49wl47fso.jpeg" />





<img alt="" src="http://img701.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwkfc-49wl2yh1l.jpeg" />





<img alt="" src="http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwliquor-49wl4lqpv.jpeg" />





Looks like there is a quaint place to get a cocktail next door, er get in a bar fight depending on the night...





<img alt="" src="http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwliquorcloseup-49wl4yi3h.jpeg" />





<img alt="" src="http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwstarbucks-49wl5rvas.jpeg" />





Oh... how could I forget about the trailer park up the street a little further...





<img alt="" src="http://img802.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/21/bwtrailerpark-49wl69prs.jpeg" />





Now you have called me a liar one too many times. So, I am going to go there this weekend and take some pictures of the tile work done by the drunk tile guy with a level, to show how bad it is, then some shots of the cheap ass cabinets and the handles that don't line up with a level, and the ugliest bathroom ever made since the 70s, the one that looks like vomit.





And, just FYI, I really liked plan 4 at the Cliffs, but there is no way in hell I would buy a place with a guaranteed future mold problem. And, now that I know what the employees are like at Hearthside, I wouldn't support you even if your company could build a quality home.





Oh... and who ever installed the flooring with the compass on the floor of the entry of plan 2 at the Sands, is an idiot, the sun sets in the west not the north.
 
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<p>stuff it.</p>
 
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