When would be next housing Bottom?

[eyephone]

TIC was slow to make changes to their mall portfolio but overall  I?ve  been happy with the changes (minus losing Curry House). They poured money into revitalizing all their strip malls and at the same time updated the tenant mix to better serve the changing demographics.

Still trying to figure out what happened to Curry House...it clearly had a plan to reopen and it was pretty popular.  Maybe it is moving to a non-TIC center.

TIC definitely getting better re younger/hipper/more ethic businesses....some good additions recently.

So are you saying Chipotle should go? Since they are not an Asian Bysiness. I?m trying to understand your TIC tenant theory. (get a better understanding)

How about Taco Bell and Del taco?

[their corporate office is down the street. I?m sure they would like to know also]

 

[Irvinecommuter]

TIC was slow to make changes to their mall portfolio but overall  I?ve  been happy with the changes (minus losing Curry House). They poured money into revitalizing all their strip malls and at the same time updated the tenant mix to better serve the changing demographics.

Still trying to figure out what happened to Curry House...it clearly had a plan to reopen and it was pretty popular.  Maybe it is moving to a non-TIC center.

TIC definitely getting better re younger/hipper/more ethic businesses....some good additions recently.

So are you saying Chipotle should go? Since they are not an Asian Bysiness. I?m trying to understand your TIC tenant theory. (get a better understanding)

How about Taco Bell and Del taco?

[their corporate office is down the street. I?m sure they would like to know also]

Why do you keep harping on Asian businesses?  Bottom line is money and compability with local demographics...there is a reason why there is a ton of Asian business in RH, DB, and SG Valley while there are a ton of Korean business in Koreatown. 

Irvine is younger than it has been in the past and almost half of the population is Asian...you need to figure what appeals to those people.

 

[eyephone]

TIC was slow to make changes to their mall portfolio but overall  I?ve  been happy with the changes (minus losing Curry House). They poured money into revitalizing all their strip malls and at the same time updated the tenant mix to better serve the changing demographics.

Still trying to figure out what happened to Curry House...it clearly had a plan to reopen and it was pretty popular.  Maybe it is moving to a non-TIC center.

TIC definitely getting better re younger/hipper/more ethic businesses....some good additions recently.

So are you saying Chipotle should go? Since they are not an Asian Bysiness. I?m trying to understand your TIC tenant theory. (get a better understanding)

How about Taco Bell and Del taco?

[their corporate office is down the street. I?m sure they would like to know also]

Why do you keep harping on Asian businesses?  Bottom line is money and compability with local demographics...there is a reason why there is a ton of Asian business in RH, DB, and SG Valley while there are a ton of Korean business in Koreatown. 

Irvine is younger than it has been in the past and almost half of the population is Asian...you need to figure what appeals to those people.

Because your brought up the term not me. Please answer the question.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

It's not just Asian...it's also geared toward younger generation who want lighter and fresh foods as well as fusion type foods.  TIC has brought in places like Urban Plates, Snooze, Counter, Hopdaddy, Wokcano, etc.  as well as Chinese restaurants, Korean BBQ, and others. 

Eh, Urban is overpriced, Snooze is too fru-fru (I'll take Stacks instead), Counter and Hopdaddy are meh... and Wokcano straight up is the bleh.

There used to be a Veggie Grill in Crossroads that closed... that's a younger generation place.

I think for the most part TIC is just after the money... if you can afford the lease and the juice (yes... it's juice no matter how you look at it), TIC will take you.

I know from personal experience how TIC is like with leasing retail... and I've talked to other owners who mirror that sentiment.  So back to your point, it could be TIC's lack of vision but I also don't think some of these places people want in Irvine could afford it... that's why they open up in surrounding cities... or in the non-TIC retail centers.

I sort of agree with you on your assessment of the newer restaurants but they are quite popular.  Stacks is quite good as well.

Not every business succeed because they are catered to young people...but TIC are clearly trending to finding those type of businesses.

There are definitely good and bads with TIC...you can't beat how clean and well-kept the area is and accessible.  But they are bad landlords and moody. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

TIC was slow to make changes to their mall portfolio but overall  I?ve  been happy with the changes (minus losing Curry House). They poured money into revitalizing all their strip malls and at the same time updated the tenant mix to better serve the changing demographics.

Still trying to figure out what happened to Curry House...it clearly had a plan to reopen and it was pretty popular.  Maybe it is moving to a non-TIC center.

TIC definitely getting better re younger/hipper/more ethic businesses....some good additions recently.

So are you saying Chipotle should go? Since they are not an Asian Bysiness. I?m trying to understand your TIC tenant theory. (get a better understanding)

How about Taco Bell and Del taco?

[their corporate office is down the street. I?m sure they would like to know also]

Why do you keep harping on Asian businesses?  Bottom line is money and compability with local demographics...there is a reason why there is a ton of Asian business in RH, DB, and SG Valley while there are a ton of Korean business in Koreatown. 

Irvine is younger than it has been in the past and almost half of the population is Asian...you need to figure what appeals to those people.

Because your brought up the term not me. Please answer the question.

I said the demographics of Irvine has grown younger and more Asian..so TIC is looking for businesses that cater to one or both of those things.

It's what a lot of businesses are trying to do.  Why is that difficult to understand?

 

[eyephone]

TIC was slow to make changes to their mall portfolio but overall  I?ve  been happy with the changes (minus losing Curry House). They poured money into revitalizing all their strip malls and at the same time updated the tenant mix to better serve the changing demographics.

Still trying to figure out what happened to Curry House...it clearly had a plan to reopen and it was pretty popular.  Maybe it is moving to a non-TIC center.

TIC definitely getting better re younger/hipper/more ethic businesses....some good additions recently.

So are you saying Chipotle should go? Since they are not an Asian Bysiness. I?m trying to understand your TIC tenant theory. (get a better understanding)

How about Taco Bell and Del taco?

[their corporate office is down the street. I?m sure they would like to know also]

Why do you keep harping on Asian businesses?  Bottom line is money and compability with local demographics...there is a reason why there is a ton of Asian business in RH, DB, and SG Valley while there are a ton of Korean business in Koreatown. 

Irvine is younger than it has been in the past and almost half of the population is Asian...you need to figure what appeals to those people.

Because your brought up the term not me. Please answer the question.

I said the demographics of Irvine has grown younger and more Asian..so TIC is looking for businesses that cater to one or both of those things.

It's what a lot of businesses are trying to do.  Why is that difficult to understand?

I think your theory regarding catering to new domogrpahics  is not correct. Because obviously there are other type of restaurants. I think it?s a shame to spread your theory when it?s complete not true.

Do you think the companies I mentioned need Irvine? They can go anywhere and turn a profit. To be honest Irvine is lucky to have them there to give the people that work and live in Irvine and affordable option.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I think your theory regarding catering to new domogrpahics  is not correct. Because obviously there are other type of restaurants. I think it?s a shame to spread your theory when it?s complete not true.

Do you think the companies I mentioned need Irvine? They can go anywhere and turn a profit. To be honest Irvine is lucky to have them there to give the people that work and live in Irvine and affordable option.

Wait...what exactly is wrong with my theory?  It is something that clearly obvious...look at the newer places that have come in in the last 5 years?  Just look at the business they added to the Spectrum:

-- Hello Kitty Cafe, going from a pop-up to permanent shop, a first for the brand;
-- H&M clothing store;
-- STANCE, a socks and underwear store;
-- Gorjana, which sells locally designed jewelry;
-- 85 Degrees C Bakery Cafe, which offers gourmet bread, desserts and beverages;
-- BLKdot Coffee;
-- Afters Ice Cream;
-- Concrete Rose, a boutique clothier;
-- Falasophy, a Lebanese restaurant;
-- Robata Wasa, a Japanese food restaurant;
-- SoHa Living, a Hawaii-flavored home and gift store;
-- The Denim Lab jeans store;
-- Ra Yoga, which offers yoga classes and therapy; and
-- UnAffected, a woman's clothing store.
https://patch.com/california/lagunabeach/new-shops-opening-irvine-spectrum-center

The Marketplace used to be full of chain restaurant...now it has morphed to Urban Plates, Class 302, Ramen place, Koja, Wokcano, Snoonze, Hopdaddy.

The Northwood plaza has now two Korean restaurant and a sushi place. 

Culver Plaza has a ton of Asian places now.

I am completely lost at this point...I don't know what I said has anything to do with the viability of businesses in the other parts of the world. 

Again...I ask you..why would keeping Marie Calendar be better for customers?

 

[eyephone]

I think your theory regarding catering to new domogrpahics  is not correct. Because obviously there are other type of restaurants. I think it?s a shame to spread your theory when it?s complete not true.

Do you think the companies I mentioned need Irvine? They can go anywhere and turn a profit. To be honest Irvine is lucky to have them there to give the people that work and live in Irvine and affordable option.

Wait...what exactly is wrong with my theory?  It is something that clearly obvious...look at the newer places that have come in in the last 5 years?  Just look at the business they added to the Spectrum:

-- Hello Kitty Cafe, going from a pop-up to permanent shop, a first for the brand;
-- H&M clothing store;
-- STANCE, a socks and underwear store;
-- Gorjana, which sells locally designed jewelry;
-- 85 Degrees C Bakery Cafe, which offers gourmet bread, desserts and beverages;
-- BLKdot Coffee;
-- Afters Ice Cream;
-- Concrete Rose, a boutique clothier;
-- Falasophy, a Lebanese restaurant;
-- Robata Wasa, a Japanese food restaurant;
-- SoHa Living, a Hawaii-flavored home and gift store;
-- The Denim Lab jeans store;
-- Ra Yoga, which offers yoga classes and therapy; and
-- UnAffected, a woman's clothing store.
https://patch.com/california/lagunabeach/new-shops-opening-irvine-spectrum-center

The Marketplace used to be full of chain restaurant...now it has morphed to Urban Plates, Class 302, Ramen place, Koja, Wokcano, Snoonze, Hopdaddy.

The Northwood plaza has now two Korean restaurant and a sushi place. 

Culver Plaza has a ton of Asian places now.

I am completely lost at this point...I don't know what I said has anything to do with the viability of businesses in the other parts of the world. 

Again...I ask you..why would keeping Marie Calendar be better for customers?

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

 

[irvinebullhousing]

I think your theory regarding catering to new domogrpahics  is not correct. Because obviously there are other type of restaurants. I think it?s a shame to spread your theory when it?s complete not true.

Do you think the companies I mentioned need Irvine? They can go anywhere and turn a profit. To be honest Irvine is lucky to have them there to give the people that work and live in Irvine and affordable option.

Wait...what exactly is wrong with my theory?  It is something that clearly obvious...look at the newer places that have come in in the last 5 years?  Just look at the business they added to the Spectrum:

-- Hello Kitty Cafe, going from a pop-up to permanent shop, a first for the brand;
-- H&M clothing store;
-- STANCE, a socks and underwear store;
-- Gorjana, which sells locally designed jewelry;
-- 85 Degrees C Bakery Cafe, which offers gourmet bread, desserts and beverages;
-- BLKdot Coffee;
-- Afters Ice Cream;
-- Concrete Rose, a boutique clothier;
-- Falasophy, a Lebanese restaurant;
-- Robata Wasa, a Japanese food restaurant;
-- SoHa Living, a Hawaii-flavored home and gift store;
-- The Denim Lab jeans store;
-- Ra Yoga, which offers yoga classes and therapy; and
-- UnAffected, a woman's clothing store.
https://patch.com/california/lagunabeach/new-shops-opening-irvine-spectrum-center

The Marketplace used to be full of chain restaurant...now it has morphed to Urban Plates, Class 302, Ramen place, Koja, Wokcano, Snoonze, Hopdaddy.

The Northwood plaza has now two Korean restaurant and a sushi place. 

Culver Plaza has a ton of Asian places now.

I am completely lost at this point...I don't know what I said has anything to do with the viability of businesses in the other parts of the world. 

Again...I ask you..why would keeping Marie Calendar be better for customers?

I am a consumer and I like all of the options that TIC brought in the recent years. Agree with you that TIC want to cater a large demographic population to keep and retain the sale tax revenue instead of going out of Irvine to get stuffs that people crave for.

I use to go out of Irvine to get those options. Now I play, live and eat in Irvine. Prices are not that much difference but the atmosphere in Irvine and services is almost always better.

I know, some might knock on me for being too Irvine and brainwash by TIC cleaniness. 

 

[eyephone]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Your wrong again. Because TB and DT are traditional business. Let me throw in IN and Out to the equation. (Successesful traditonal business)

 

[eyephone]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Previously at first your answer was Asian demographics then you added young. (Which in fact is another discrimitory word.) I?m sure TIC would use the words you used.

God Bless Merica?

 

[irvinebullhousing]

Look, business in the business because they want to make money. There are plenty of money here. And they (Shops, Services, Eaters) all want to be in a hot spot. TO MAKE MONEY. Irvine CO. can pick and choose and they do....believe me.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Previously at first your answer was Asian demographics then you added young. (Which in fact is another discrimitory word.) I?m sure TIC would use the words you used.

God Bless Merica?

You need to go back and read my comment...I specifically stated that the demographics is trending younger and more Asian.  Not sure how exactly that's not American.

I guess companies targeting Males 18-25 is discriminatory too.

Seriously...why are you offended by this?  Do you really miss Marie Calender's that much?  There is still one in Orange.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Your wrong again. Because TB and DT are traditional business. Let me throw in IN and Out to the equation. (Successesful traditonal business)

Did I say that there are no "traditional" businesses?  I said that TIC has made an effort to bringing in more non-traditional and more ethic business...not that they are removing all traditional businesses. 

I have also stated that non-traditional businesses are not always successful.

I am really having a hard time understanding why you choose to ignore the obvious regarding what businesses are being added to TIC properties.

 

[eyephone]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Your wrong again. Because TB and DT are traditional business. Let me throw in IN and Out to the equation. (Successesful traditonal business)

Did I say that there are no "traditional" businesses?  I said that TIC has made an effort to bringing in more non-traditional and more ethic business...not that they are removing all traditional businesses. 

I have also stated that non-traditional businesses are not always successful.

I am really having a hard time understanding why you choose to ignore the obvious regarding what businesses are being added to TIC properties.

1. Your theory is really questionable now
2. This is the first time you have said non-traditonal business are not always successful.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

1. Your theory is really questionable now
2. This is the first time you have said non-traditonal business are not always successful.

Why is my theory "questionable"?  I just listed off a bunch of restaurants and businesses that supports my "theory"

Go back and read my reply to IHO about Veggie Grill.

Again..what exactly are you objecting or upset about? 

 

[eyephone]

Your theory is completely wrong and unequivocal discrimitory. (It is even shocking that you think it?s correct. I dont even think TIC agrees with you as a matter of fact. You might be infringing on their brand name. For a minute you sounded like you work for TIC.)

We all know that a public company single location is greater than a small trendy business in Irvine regarding revenue. (there might be an outlier)

How is it wrong?  It's not an objective fact that TIC has been moving away from traditional chain restaurants/business to ones that appeal more to younger and/or Asian customers?  I just listed you a bunch of restaurants and shops clearly geared toward those customers. 

Why would it be discriminatory?  If you have an increased Asian population...it makes sense to bring in more Asian businesses/restaurants.  It's business 101...you cater to your customers.

I am confused as to why you are so offended by this patently obvious shift in business models.  It's not just TIC...go to South Coast Plaza...it's not a coincidence that there are signs in Chinese now.   

We are only talking about TIC's strategies in Irvine...I am not sure why anywhere else matters.

Previously at first your answer was Asian demographics then you added young. (Which in fact is another discrimitory word.) I?m sure TIC would use the words you used.

God Bless Merica?

You need to go back and read my comment...I specifically stated that the demographics is trending younger and more Asian.  Not sure how exactly that's not American.

I guess companies targeting Males 18-25 is discriminatory too.

Seriously...why are you offended by this?  Do you really miss Marie Calender's that much?  There is still one in Orange.

I used MC as an example to get you in the ring. Then I used the big boys for the knock out punch.

So if you can argue that the previous new trendy eateries makes more money than in n out. Please let us know.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I used MC as an example to get you in the ring. Then I used the big boys for the knock out punch.

So if you can argue that the previous new trendy eateries makes more money than in n out. Please let us know.

Why does it need to make more money than In n out?  It just need make more money than that one MC.

This has replaced MC in Culver Plaza...and it's quite popular: https://www.yelp.com/biz/meizhou-dongpo-irvine

Has the In n out been replaced? 

Is there a way you can stop beating around the bushes and come out and say what you believe is incorrect about my "theory".  Supporting facts would also be nice.

 

[eyephone]

I used MC as an example to get you in the ring. Then I used the big boys for the knock out punch.

So if you can argue that the previous new trendy eateries makes more money than in n out. Please let us know.

Why does it need to make more money than In n out?  It just need make more money than that one MC.

This has replaced MC in Culver Plaza...and it's quite popular: https://www.yelp.com/biz/meizhou-dongpo-irvine

Has the In n out been replaced? 

Is there a way you can stop beating around the bushes and come out and say what you believe is incorrect about my "theory".  Supporting facts would also be nice.

I?m not going behind no bush. Go to your eateries list that you previously mentioned one by one. Ask yourself does that make more money than the juggernaut traditonal business?

The fact is your theory is false. Making more money is key. Isn?t there a revenue sharing component as you previously mentioned not me.

Keep in mind I?m not looking at nonfinacial data. I may have looked at a public 10k or 10q which is public. (anybody can look at it if you have a computer and if you don?t have a computer go to the library to go to the net) Then I can guesstimate the revenue.

Companies that are not public I can look up a public company that is similar and assign a higher or lower multiple to take a guess at their revenue.