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Hey, I?m in the target demographic (Asian and young)
Guess what, we like to eat all kinds of food, including non Asian food too! I would find it sad if I had to drive out of Irvine to get ?traditional? American food or other kinds of ethnic foods. If that day comes, and Irvine is really like the next SGV, I?m going to have to move.
Trust me, I used to live in Flushing NY. The food situation was super annoying if I wanted anything other than Chinese food. Impossible to even get a good slice of pizza after the last one closed due to lack of business.
I personally don?t think Irvine will become like that because there?s not enough concentration of one ethnicity here ( even among asians, its a mix of many different nationalities, so businesses have to use English as a common language) I would be upset to see lots of non English business signage in Irvine. I doubt TIC would let that happen though. Also, Irvine has a large corporate business presence that will help keep it mainstream ( rather than become a real ethnic ghetto, er, enclave)
You hit it dead on. There is a well balance mixed with healthy food options of virtually all ethnic groups here in Irvine. There is little need to leave the bubble, sorta speaks.
Irvine will NEVER be SGV / Monterey Park.
Although, I have not found any Filipino restaurants around here.
Those are okay. You have to go to Cerritos/Artesia for a real restaurant.
There is a place called Irena(?) in Santa Ana but I've never been.
I think Vietnamese and Korean food is better. Maybe I'll open a food cart/storage container in the Great Park that serves a mix of all Asian foods... and throw in some Austrian food for a twist.
BLK and Coffee Bean are a push.
MZDP is doing better than MC but MC was the go-to place during Thanksgiving and holidays (for take-out dinners especially).
KHD > Denny's... agreed but that's not a TIC center.
Where Pieology and Veggie Grill (I'm assuming you're referring to the Marketplace) it used to be Pat & Oscars (formerly just Oscars) which did quite well but closed up during the recession (the remaining franchises became O's American Kitchen and are mostly in the San Diego area). Stonefire Grill which serves basically the same food, does quite well (just opened another location in South County). I'm going to say that's a push too.
Not sure if Chipotle is doing better than El Pollo Loco, also a push.
Stacks does do well, but I think Sushi Boy moved over to Sand Canyon so they are still around.
Hopdaddy and Snooze I believe took over the Black Angus location, I don't know how well that fish place is doing though.
I don't think Wokcano is very good at all. I think they might close like the Asian fusion place in the Irvine Spectrum where the Improv used to be.
I'm not too sure about Nektar, I think they are struggling a bit, they used to be pretty crowded but I think they are going through the same issues that Juice It Up/Jamba Juice had... and they are way overpriced.
Northwood Town Center is also not a TIC center which is why smaller businesses were able to go there (I've dealt with their leasing agents too and are much more flexible than TIC's).
I just think it's the natural cycle of retail, especially restaurants. In high rent places, which is basically all of TIC's centers, only the financially strong businesses will last, chain or no chain. How is the Orchard Hills shopping center doing? Still vacancies? I think overall B&M retail is tough, which is why no one is in a hurry to build strip malls near the Great Park.
I agree that Irvine will never be SGV in style but I don't think there is anything particular "wrong" with Irvine being Arcadia. Again...I never said that TIC was adding only Asian business...I said that they shift in their focus in targeting businesses geared toward younger and more Asian demographics. I would say that the mix is 50/50.
Actually I was referring to Northpark Plaza: https://www.shopirvinecompany.com/centers/irvine/northpark-plaza
New additions: Kbop, Chai Lan, Boba Time, Spice Palace, Kiyo.
Just going through some of the TIC centers, recent additions:
Alton Square: MOOYAH, Olives Branch, Pizza 90, Omomo...Hui Lau Shan coming
Crossroad: Capital Noodles, CAVA, Ha Long, Inchin, Paris Baguette, Southern Spice, Tastee, Urban Plates
Campus Plaza: Asian Box, Ding Garden, Taquiero Taco Patio, Saffron & Rose Ice Cream and Buffalo Spot coming.
Culver Plaza: MZDP, All that BBQ, Coffee Tomo, iSno, Pokeworks, Little Sheep
Cypress Village: Honey Pig, Red Straw, Tang 190, Olive Oil Mediterrean, Cauldron
Marketplace: Snooze, Urban Plates, Wokcano, Mizu, Koja, Hopdoddy, BLK, Pieology, Cha Cha, Class 302, h20 Poke, J San Ramen, Lazy Dog, Luna Grill, Miguel's, Nektar, Piadina, Sawleaf, Spiritea, Taco Rosa, Taps, Texas de Brazil, Veggie Grill, Ja Jaozi
Woodbury added Shen Shen Gumi, Fish District, Nektar
Westpark added MOD Pizza, Luna, and the Cut
Woodbridge added Cha for Tea, Sessions, Clean Juice, and Press Pizza
(too lazy to do them all)
These all came in the last 3 to 4 years...TIC has made it a point to add non-traditional restaurants that are geared toward younger and/or Asians palates. It's pretty obvious what they are doing. It makes total sense.
Absolutely...we are talking about maintenance and upkeep. None of the cities in SGV are master planned like TIC and TIC takes pride on making everything look nice and clean. It's the Disneyland of master planning companies.
I am very glad that they finally caught on and started shifting their strategy...we lived in Irvine since 2005 and used to went to SGV, LA, Fullerton, GG, or Cerritos to eat. Now, we are living in the center of where people want to come.
Changing what story...what story did you think I was painting? Go back an read my comments..not think what you thought I posted.
Another victim of the changing demographics...people rather pay more to get better stuff.
irvinehomeowner
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From housing bottom to restaurant wars.
Irvinecommuter said:
Hey, I?m in the target demographic (Asian and young)
Guess what, we like to eat all kinds of food, including non Asian food too! I would find it sad if I had to drive out of Irvine to get ?traditional? American food or other kinds of ethnic foods. If that day comes, and Irvine is really like the next SGV, I?m going to have to move.
Trust me, I used to live in Flushing NY. The food situation was super annoying if I wanted anything other than Chinese food. Impossible to even get a good slice of pizza after the last one closed due to lack of business.
I personally don?t think Irvine will become like that because there?s not enough concentration of one ethnicity here ( even among asians, its a mix of many different nationalities, so businesses have to use English as a common language) I would be upset to see lots of non English business signage in Irvine. I doubt TIC would let that happen though. Also, Irvine has a large corporate business presence that will help keep it mainstream ( rather than become a real ethnic ghetto, er, enclave)
irvinebullhousing
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misme said:
You hit it dead on. There is a well balance mixed with healthy food options of virtually all ethnic groups here in Irvine. There is little need to leave the bubble, sorta speaks.
Irvine will NEVER be SGV / Monterey Park.
Although, I have not found any Filipino restaurants around here.
aquabliss
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irvinehomeowner
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WTTCHMN said:
Those are okay. You have to go to Cerritos/Artesia for a real restaurant.
There is a place called Irena(?) in Santa Ana but I've never been.
I think Vietnamese and Korean food is better. Maybe I'll open a food cart/storage container in the Great Park that serves a mix of all Asian foods... and throw in some Austrian food for a twist.
irvinehomeowner
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Irvinecommuter said:
BLK and Coffee Bean are a push.
MZDP is doing better than MC but MC was the go-to place during Thanksgiving and holidays (for take-out dinners especially).
KHD > Denny's... agreed but that's not a TIC center.
Where Pieology and Veggie Grill (I'm assuming you're referring to the Marketplace) it used to be Pat & Oscars (formerly just Oscars) which did quite well but closed up during the recession (the remaining franchises became O's American Kitchen and are mostly in the San Diego area). Stonefire Grill which serves basically the same food, does quite well (just opened another location in South County). I'm going to say that's a push too.
Not sure if Chipotle is doing better than El Pollo Loco, also a push.
Stacks does do well, but I think Sushi Boy moved over to Sand Canyon so they are still around.
Hopdaddy and Snooze I believe took over the Black Angus location, I don't know how well that fish place is doing though.
I don't think Wokcano is very good at all. I think they might close like the Asian fusion place in the Irvine Spectrum where the Improv used to be.
I'm not too sure about Nektar, I think they are struggling a bit, they used to be pretty crowded but I think they are going through the same issues that Juice It Up/Jamba Juice had... and they are way overpriced.
Northwood Town Center is also not a TIC center which is why smaller businesses were able to go there (I've dealt with their leasing agents too and are much more flexible than TIC's).
I just think it's the natural cycle of retail, especially restaurants. In high rent places, which is basically all of TIC's centers, only the financially strong businesses will last, chain or no chain. How is the Orchard Hills shopping center doing? Still vacancies? I think overall B&M retail is tough, which is why no one is in a hurry to build strip malls near the Great Park.
Irvinecommuter
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misme said:
I agree that Irvine will never be SGV in style but I don't think there is anything particular "wrong" with Irvine being Arcadia. Again...I never said that TIC was adding only Asian business...I said that they shift in their focus in targeting businesses geared toward younger and more Asian demographics. I would say that the mix is 50/50.
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:
Actually I was referring to Northpark Plaza: https://www.shopirvinecompany.com/centers/irvine/northpark-plaza
New additions: Kbop, Chai Lan, Boba Time, Spice Palace, Kiyo.
Just going through some of the TIC centers, recent additions:
Alton Square: MOOYAH, Olives Branch, Pizza 90, Omomo...Hui Lau Shan coming
Crossroad: Capital Noodles, CAVA, Ha Long, Inchin, Paris Baguette, Southern Spice, Tastee, Urban Plates
Campus Plaza: Asian Box, Ding Garden, Taquiero Taco Patio, Saffron & Rose Ice Cream and Buffalo Spot coming.
Culver Plaza: MZDP, All that BBQ, Coffee Tomo, iSno, Pokeworks, Little Sheep
Cypress Village: Honey Pig, Red Straw, Tang 190, Olive Oil Mediterrean, Cauldron
Marketplace: Snooze, Urban Plates, Wokcano, Mizu, Koja, Hopdoddy, BLK, Pieology, Cha Cha, Class 302, h20 Poke, J San Ramen, Lazy Dog, Luna Grill, Miguel's, Nektar, Piadina, Sawleaf, Spiritea, Taco Rosa, Taps, Texas de Brazil, Veggie Grill, Ja Jaozi
Woodbury added Shen Shen Gumi, Fish District, Nektar
Westpark added MOD Pizza, Luna, and the Cut
Woodbridge added Cha for Tea, Sessions, Clean Juice, and Press Pizza
(too lazy to do them all)
These all came in the last 3 to 4 years...TIC has made it a point to add non-traditional restaurants that are geared toward younger and/or Asians palates. It's pretty obvious what they are doing. It makes total sense.
irvinebullhousing
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Years ago I used to work in Pasadena commuting from Irvine, (insane drive) traffics on the 210 is just horrible even with carpools, it was so bad that I resort to surface street at least your car still move. So Waze put me on all these surface streets sometimes as early as at the interchange if 57 and 210 to reach old town Pasadena via surface street.
From there you zig zag your ways through all these different cities and there are pocket area of surrounding cities to Acadia is ok, and for the most part it?s pretty old and run down. Acadia suppose to be pricey but still if you in the area of foods, services and businesses, it?s can be pretty bad. Pasadena homes are huge and spread out. Old and require a lot of up keep and maintenance. It is not clean and green like Irvine. There are tons of businesses and eatery here, the run down place constantly get revitalize by TIC if they owned it. Many times I see tear up and ripped down and renovate when it?s perfectly in good shape. So TIC, yes rent is high because they do maintain and up keep that world class image.
From there you zig zag your ways through all these different cities and there are pocket area of surrounding cities to Acadia is ok, and for the most part it?s pretty old and run down. Acadia suppose to be pricey but still if you in the area of foods, services and businesses, it?s can be pretty bad. Pasadena homes are huge and spread out. Old and require a lot of up keep and maintenance. It is not clean and green like Irvine. There are tons of businesses and eatery here, the run down place constantly get revitalize by TIC if they owned it. Many times I see tear up and ripped down and renovate when it?s perfectly in good shape. So TIC, yes rent is high because they do maintain and up keep that world class image.
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Compressed-Village said:
Absolutely...we are talking about maintenance and upkeep. None of the cities in SGV are master planned like TIC and TIC takes pride on making everything look nice and clean. It's the Disneyland of master planning companies.
I am very glad that they finally caught on and started shifting their strategy...we lived in Irvine since 2005 and used to went to SGV, LA, Fullerton, GG, or Cerritos to eat. Now, we are living in the center of where people want to come.
Irvinecommuter
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eyephone said:
Changing what story...what story did you think I was painting? Go back an read my comments..not think what you thought I posted.
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WTTCHMN said:
Another victim of the changing demographics...people rather pay more to get better stuff.