When would be next housing Bottom?

[Irvinecommuter]

I used MC as an example to get you in the ring. Then I used the big boys for the knock out punch.

So if you can argue that the previous new trendy eateries makes more money than in n out. Please let us know.

Why does it need to make more money than In n out?  It just need make more money than that one MC.

This has replaced MC in Culver Plaza...and it's quite popular: https://www.yelp.com/biz/meizhou-dongpo-irvine

Has the In n out been replaced? 

Is there a way you can stop beating around the bushes and come out and say what you believe is incorrect about my "theory".  Supporting facts would also be nice.

I?m not going behind no bush. Go to the eateries one by one. Ask yourself does that make more money than the juggernaut traditonal business?

The fact is your theory is false. Making more money is key. Isn?t there a revenue sharing component as you previously mentioned not me.

Are we talking about the ones that go replaced?  I would says probably yes...the BLK coffee is probably doing better than the Coffee Bean that was there before, the MZDP is doing better than the MC, Kang Ho Dong is doing better than the Denny's, the Pieology is doing better than what was there before, the Chipotle is doing better than the El Pollo Loco.  Stacks is doing better than the Sushi Boy that was there.  Hopdoddy and Snooze are doing better than what was there before (not sure if there was anything there honestly).  Wokcano doing better than the jewelry store that was there.  The Nektar is doing better than the Juice it Up in Marketplace...Nektar also doing better than the Casey's Cupcake...the Korean restaurants are Northwood are doing better than what was there before.

Actually, I have been told that the MZDP makes 3x more than the MC did.

What is false about my theory?  My theory is that TIC is bringing in restaurants and businesses that appeal to a younger and more Asian demographics because those businesses bring in more money than before.  What is wrong with that?

You still haven't answered my question as to why MC should be there if it is not doing very well.

I will also ask this in a different way...what exactly do you think my "theory" is?

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Keep in mind I?m not looking at nonfinacial data. I may have looked at a public 10k or 10q which is public. (anybody can look at it if you have a computer and if you don?t have a computer go to the library to go to the net) Then I can guesstimate the revenue.

Companies that are not public I can look up a public company that is similar and assign a higher or lower multiple to take a guess at their revenue.

Why does that matter for purposes of Irvine or specific locations?  A successful company can have poor performing locations...it's neither reflection of the company or that location. 

 

[eyephone]

I used MC as an example to get you in the ring. Then I used the big boys for the knock out punch.

So if you can argue that the previous new trendy eateries makes more money than in n out. Please let us know.

Why does it need to make more money than In n out?  It just need make more money than that one MC.

This has replaced MC in Culver Plaza...and it's quite popular: https://www.yelp.com/biz/meizhou-dongpo-irvine

Has the In n out been replaced? 

Is there a way you can stop beating around the bushes and come out and say what you believe is incorrect about my "theory".  Supporting facts would also be nice.

I?m not going behind no bush. Go to the eateries one by one. Ask yourself does that make more money than the juggernaut traditonal business?

The fact is your theory is false. Making more money is key. Isn?t there a revenue sharing component as you previously mentioned not me.

Are we talking about the ones that go replaced?  I would says probably yes...the BLK coffee is probably doing better than the Coffee Bean that was there before, the MZDP is doing better than the MC, Kang Ho Dong is doing better than the Denny's, the Pieology is doing better than what was there before, the Chipotle is doing better than the El Pollo Loco. 

Actually, I have been told that the MZDP makes 3x more than the MC did.

What is false about my theory?  My theory is that TIC is bringing in restaurants and businesses that appeal to a younger and more Asian demographics because those businesses bring in more money than before.  What is wrong with that?

You still haven't answered my question as to why MC should be there if it is not doing very well.

I already told you. I used MC as an example of a traditonal company. Also, I like their pie. It was a starter to get you argue against traditonal companies (which you did I might add). Once I started to bring the top guns on the conversation you backed down. ?It?s not about revenue.?

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I already told you. I used MC as an example of a traditonal company. Also, I like their pie. It was a starter to get you argue against traditonal companies (which you did I might add). Once I started to bring the top guns on the conversation you backed down. ?It?s not about revenue.?

What?  What makes you think I was arguing against "traditional companies"? 

Why would you talk about In n out when we are talking about Marie Calender's?  You are the one who said that it was a shame that TIC replaced MC because it is bad for relationships and the customers.  I continue to not understand that point.  Are you saying that TIC should absorb the losses at one location to have a good relationship with MC's parent company?  Pretty sure that MC's parent company is not angry at TIC or anything.

I have always said it's about the revenues...MC was not make very much revenue and thus TIC brought something that appeals more to the newer demographics of Irvine and now it makes more money. 

 

[eyephone]

Keep in mind I?m not looking at nonfinacial data. I may have looked at a public 10k or 10q which is public. (anybody can look at it if you have a computer and if you don?t have a computer go to the library to go to the net) Then I can guesstimate the revenue.

Companies that are not public I can look up a public company that is similar and assign a higher or lower multiple to take a guess at their revenue.

Why does that matter for purposes of Irvine or specific locations?  A successful company can have poor performing locations...it's neither reflection of the company or that location.

Lets analyze your statement. Do you honestly think the trendy small burger place makes more money than a franchise owner of the top burger place?  (No names were mentioned but I think you know what I mean)

Let replace the word top and use not the top but like top 5 or top 10 burger franchise single location.

(Which are traditonal business I might add.)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Keep in mind I?m not looking at nonfinacial data. I may have looked at a public 10k or 10q which is public. (anybody can look at it if you have a computer and if you don?t have a computer go to the library to go to the net) Then I can guesstimate the revenue.

Companies that are not public I can look up a public company that is similar and assign a higher or lower multiple to take a guess at their revenue.

Why does that matter for purposes of Irvine or specific locations?  A successful company can have poor performing locations...it's neither reflection of the company or that location.

Lets analyze your statement. Do you honestly think the trendy small burger place makes more money than a franchise owner of the top burger place?

It depends on the location and the business...there are plenty of chain stores with locations that lose money while local eateries are making more money because they cater to their local area better.

Like I said...I have been told that the MZDP makes 3x the revenue of the MC it replaced...so for that particular location, yes.

 

[eyephone]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

 

[eyephone]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

I already did. Your accusing TIC of only getting Asian business. Yawns

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

I already did. Your accusing TIC of only getting Asian business. Yawns

When did I say that?  I wasn't aware that Snooze, Hopdoddy, Stacks, or Nektar were Asian businesses.

A few pages back:

It's not just Asian...it's also geared toward younger generation who want lighter and fresh foods as well as fusion type foods.  TIC has brought in places like Urban Plates, Snooze, Counter, Hopdaddy, Wokcano, etc.  as well as Chinese restaurants, Korean BBQ, and others. 

But ultimately...I don't get your point, shouldn't TIC be trying to bring in business that appeal to the demographics of the area?

 

[eyephone]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

I already did. Your accusing TIC of only getting Asian business. Yawns

When did I say that?  I wasn't aware that Snooze, Hopdoddy, Stacks, or Nektar were Asian businesses.

This is turning into a circular discussion. You used the term they are catering to the new demographics (Asian and young)

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

I already did. Your accusing TIC of only getting Asian business. Yawns

When did I say that?  I wasn't aware that Snooze, Hopdoddy, Stacks, or Nektar were Asian businesses.

This is turning into a circular discussion. You used the term they are catering to the new demographics (Asian and young)

And that's discriminatory?  They shouldn't cater to newer demographics...they should stick with MC and Denny's?

I am curious...why do you think TIC is bringing in all these new restaurants and business rather than keeping the existing tenants.

 

[eyephone]

I?m going to end this conversation. Because I feel like your wasting my time.

Okay...considering you have not actually made any points and somehow accused me of being discriminatory.  Sounds good.

I already did. Your accusing TIC of only getting Asian business. Yawns

When did I say that?  I wasn't aware that Snooze, Hopdoddy, Stacks, or Nektar were Asian businesses.

This is turning into a circular discussion. You used the term they are catering to the new demographics (Asian and young)

And that's discriminatory?  They shouldn't cater to newer demographics...they should stick with MC and Denny's?

If you used the term non traditional/new type of eateries sounds a lot better.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

If you used the term non traditional/new type of eateries sounds a lot better.

Why does it matter whether it sounds better or worse?  They are bringing in new businesses to cater to a changing demographic...that changing demographic is younger and more Asian. 

What exactly is offensive or problematic about that statement? 

 

[eyephone]

If you used the term non traditional/new type of eateries sounds a lot better.

Why does it matter whether it sounds better or worse?  They are bringing in new businesses to cater to a changing demographic...that changing demographic is younger and more Asian. 

What exactly is offensive or problematic about that statement?

You previously mentioned that the new business are not all Asian. So I think it?s a misleading statement.

I?m looking at this a neutral person. If I was looking to move into Irvine area or near by. I would be omg this is turning into SGv (San Gabriel Valley) eateries. In fact it is not.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

If you used the term non traditional/new type of eateries sounds a lot better.

Why does it matter whether it sounds better or worse?  They are bringing in new businesses to cater to a changing demographic...that changing demographic is younger and more Asian. 

What exactly is offensive or problematic about that statement?

You previously mentioned that the new business are not all Asian. So I think it?s a misleading statement.

I?m looking at this a neutral person. If I was looking to move into Irvine area or near by. I would be omg this is turning into SGv (San Gabriel Valley) eateries. In fact it is not.

I am pretty confused because you seem to indicate that Irvine turning into SGV is a bad thing. 

I mean I think anyone who moves into the area and notice the demographics will see that Irvine is 41 to 45 % Asian....the Asian population in the SGV is at around 49%.  Orange County has about a 20% overall Asian population...Westminister has a 43% Asian population...Garden Grove is at 37%

Irvine also has a median age of 34.4 as compared to 36.9 for the LA/Anaheim/LGB area and 37.9 for Orange County. 

So Irvine is younger and significant more Asian than its surrounding area....so it shouldn't shock anyone that the businesses reflect that demographics.

I feel like you are not quite grasping the demographics of Irvine and the significant presences Asians have on the city.

 

[eyephone]

If you used the term non traditional/new type of eateries sounds a lot better.

Why does it matter whether it sounds better or worse?  They are bringing in new businesses to cater to a changing demographic...that changing demographic is younger and more Asian. 

What exactly is offensive or problematic about that statement?

You previously mentioned that the new business are not all Asian. So I think it?s a misleading statement.

I?m looking at this a neutral person. If I was looking to move into Irvine area or near by. I would be omg this is turning into SGv (San Gabriel Valley) eateries. In fact it is not.

I am pretty confused because you seem to indicate that Irvine turning into SGV is a bad thing. 

I mean I think anyone who moves into the area and notice the demographics will see that Irvine is 47% Asian....the Asian population in the SGV is at around 49%.  Orange County has about a 20% overall Asian population...Westminister has a 43% Asian population...Garden Grove is at 37%

Irvine also has a median age of 34.4 as compared to 36.9 for the LA/Anaheim/LGB area and 37.9 for Orange County. 

So Irvine is younger and significant more Asian than its surrounding area....so it shouldn't shock anyone that the businesses reflect that demographics.

Yeah I can tell you are confused. Don?t waste my time. Choose better words.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yeah I can tell you are confused. Don?t waste my time. Choose better words.

Confused?  Numbers don't lie. 

More than 45 percent of Irvine?s roughly 257,000 residents are Asian, according to American Community Survey estimates released Thursday.

Irvine has grown steadily since its 1971 incorporation. Its share of Asian residents has climbed more quickly. They accounted for roughly 8 percent of the population in 1980. That number jumped to 18 percent in 1990 and 30 percent in 2000, according to census data.

Just in the decade ending last year, the city added 84,745 people of all races. The share of white residents, which can include people of Middle Eastern and North African origin, fell from 56 percent to just below the Asian population.

Latinos, who can be of any race, were about 7 percent of the population in the latest census report.

Irvine?s Asian population hovered between 35 percent and 40 percent for much of the past decade, before surging last year, according to census estimates.

https://www.ocregister.com/2016/09/...p-in-irvine-and-what-that-means-for-the-city/

Weird that somehow Irvine becoming SGV is a negative.

 

[Kenkoko]

It makes sense to me that TIC should adjust to the big demographic changes in Irvine.

Orchard Hills is 68% Asian, North Wood Point is 64% Asian, Woodbury is 58% Asain.
https://statisticalatlas.com/place/California/Irvine/Race-and-Ethnicity

Edit : wrong link and modified # to take out Hispanics.

 

[Kings]

am i in the snowflake thread?