Straw poll on gay marriage

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Oh Nudie, I'm just knowing that the Mormon dollars sent this thing into defeat. I don't care about demographics right now, I only care about....(fill in the blank)
 
Hey, trooper. Did you see the new woody allen movie?

Vikkie Christina Barcelona?



I thought of you when i saw that film.



There is a scene where Penelope Cruz and Scarlett Johannson are making out. very Hot stuff.



-vb



sorry about your prop 8 . I voted no. oh well. california is still a progressive state may change in a few more years.
 
<em>Apologies for the brief thread-jack</em>



I'm over-limit on my PMs, so I wanted to let those of you who got a PM from me this morning know that it's a no-go. Schedule conflict. As soon as I can PM the rest of you back, I will. Thanks for your quick and heartfelt responses!



<em>End threadjack</em>
 
Sept 24th 2006 is the most memorable day in my life. It was the day my husband and I exchanged our vows, the day we became a union through our marriage. Do you see the love we have for each other? How in the world can we deny two people who love each other enough to make this commitment the right to do so? We're not religious, yet we are allowed to marry? There wasn't a church involved in our wedding, but the state and federal government recognize us as married. We wrote our own vows and not once was the word God mentioned. <img src="" alt="" />
 
Trooper,



I am reading the Wiki entry for Loving v. Virginia and noticed the repeated hurdles/decision placed before them. I have no doubt that gay marriage will become a legal and factual reality in the coming years. Sometimes this country takes awhile to get to the right place, but we always do.
 
Thanks, but this is my life. I'm 42 and not getting any younger. I've fought for gay rights since I was 25....still can't believe I'm forced to do so.



Will I live to benefit from this so called "tolerance" ? (BTW, thank you for "tolerating" me)



Tongue in cheek, of course.
 
<em>Hey, trooper. Did you see the new woody allen movie?

Vikkie Christina Barcelona?



I thought of you when i saw that film.</em>



Oy vey ! I hope it was a good scene ! ;)



and thanks.
 
Something to think about.



<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/green/detail?&entry_id=32339&tsp=1">Poultry and People.</a>
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225943262]Thanks, but this is my life. I'm 42 and not getting any younger. I've fought for gay rights since I was 25....still can't believe I'm forced to do so.



Will I live to benefit from this so called "tolerance" ? (BTW, thank you for "tolerating" me)



Tongue in cheek, of course.</blockquote>


Well, one thing to think about is in 8 years the vote went from 62% against to 52% against.



And in my own personal situation, I have to admit I did not used to view being against "gay" marriage as a hurtful thing. (I apologize for that). I think that it was due to only knowing young, very flamboyantly gay young men and women, and being in the deep south I recall thinking things like "Do you really need to get the religious right so riled up over a technical definition? What's so bad about being married but under a different term like domestic partnership?"



What really changed my perspective was personally seeing very old, stodgy gay couples who never picketed or argued or made a big deal about their love for one another. It's not that the issue changed, it's just that it stopped me from being "intellectual" about the issue, and realizing if I didn't support it, then I was personally saying to very specific people that I didn't think marriage was right for them. That I was saying there was something less right about their 30 year union than another 30 year union. And I can't do that.



I disagree with a lot of heterosexual marriages I see. I think marriage should be a lot more sacred and thoughtful than it is in our society. I don't think it should be easy to get married, and I think people should receive counseling before they get married.



I think my neighbors are a wonderful example of what a true marriage is. I can see that they take "Yes on Prop 8" very personally. I can see that they view it as a very large group of people saying that their decades together are "abnormal", "not right", "a threat to the values of children." And I just find it horrible. And I'm ashamed that I didn't see it that way before.



*Edited to correct typo
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225941483]Oh Nudie, I'm just knowing that the Mormon dollars sent this thing into defeat. I don't care about demographics right now, I only care about....(fill in the blank)</blockquote>
I know you want someone to blame Troop, I just don't want to see efforts being wasted by demonizing the wrong people. That can't help you in your fight.
 
Trooper,



I can only imagine the pains and angers that you are feeling now. I am too very disappointed in the result. Reading the discussions and news, thinking about all the people who are hurt by this makes me very emotional. Sigh. Most of the time in our life, we don't get what we want or what we deserve. But don't lose faith. Don't give up the hope. If you are tired, think about the 42% who support you and those who are going through the same thing. You know things will change some day. I know you are tired of waiting, but there are many others who are waiting with you all along. Don't lose faith. *hug*
 
The <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage6-2008nov06,0,2331815.story">lawsuits</a> are starting up today. I find it interesting that the Pro-8 people are whining about this, since they would have done the very same thing if they had lost. Double standard, perhaps?
 
Geez... where do I start?



I am sorry Troop, I am so, so sorry. I can't express how truly disappointed I am. It hurts me to see you like this, it hurts me to know how disappointed so many other people are. I know you feel like time is passing you by on this issue, but the fight must continue on. You, me, we all need to keep fighting for equal rights. We all need to keep fighting to make this a reality. Not just for you or anon's neighbors or my aunt, but for anyone who deserves to have the same equal rights as everyone else no matter what right that is being taken away or not recognized. I am very saddened by this, but I am beginning to pick my head up, because I will not give up. I would never give up on you, let alone all the other people this affects.



On that note, I also bring some positive news. I was listening to NPR just a bit ago, and a guy was on who had just been issued a same sex marriage certificate from the Orange County courthouse. He said that they will continue to issue certificates until they are told not to by the state. It wasn't clear if the courthouse was just rebelling, or that because of the lawsuits it has stalled the validity of the prop, because it was supposed to be effectively immediately.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1225957407]Geez... where do I start?



I am sorry Troop, I am so, so sorry. I can't express how truly disappointed I am. It hurts me to see you like this, it hurts me to know how disappointed so many other people are. I know you feel like time is passing you by on this issue, but the fight must continue on. You, me, we all need to keep fighting for equal rights. We all need to keep fighting to make this a reality. Not just for you or anon's neighbors or my aunt, but for anyone who deserves to have the same equal rights as everyone else no matter what right that is being taken away or not recognized. I am very saddened by this, but I am beginning to pick my head up, because I will not give up. I would never give up on you, let alone all the other people this affects.



On that note, I also bring some positive news. I was listening to NPR just a bit ago, and a guy was on who had just been issued a same sex marriage certificate from the Orange County courthouse. He said that they will continue to issue certificates until they are told not to by the state. It wasn't clear if the courthouse was just rebelling, or that because of the lawsuits it has stalled the validity of the prop, because it was supposed to be effectively immediately.</blockquote>


Actually, it's Jefa's neighbors, not mine, but I would be proud to have them as neighbors, too.



Thank you for what you wrote, Graphrix.
 
[quote author="Anon." date=1225958867]Actually, it's Jefa's neighbors, not mine, but I would be proud to have them as neighbors, too.



Thank you for what you wrote, Graphrix.</blockquote>


Oops... too many posts in this thread to keep up with who's whose neighbors. But, I did remember your kind words to Troop and support too.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1225937156]Talk about a "Poor Winner." Jeez.........



If I start douching it up like that, somebody give my home address to Janet please.</blockquote>


Speaking of oops... I read your post too quickly, and thought you meant if you were <em>ever</em> a douche. Give Janet a sup bro for me when she gets there. :ohh:
 
Troop -



Too much hate in this world. Too much religion in this world. In my opinion, they are the one and the same. I am so sorry the haters won out this time.



Life is too short to hate. Freedom for all, that's my dream. Meantime, hateful discrimination still wins out.



Hugs.
 
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