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[quote author="Trooper" date=1225938827]



Step, I understand completely. I was raised by bigots and racists. I recall having a "special" tee shirt that I could only wear inside the house....and I recall feeling very privileged to do so. Want to know what it was ? A KKK tee shirt.



No kidding.



My father brought them home for my brother and I when I was about 7 years old. He also taught us how to do the, "Heil Hitler" salute. My brother had a huge Nazi flag up in his bedroom when I was in high school.



Perhaps this helps you understand why my parents kicked me out at 17, why we really don't see eye to eye to this day, and why my brother and I don't speak.



It's called learned intolerance.



Parents, don't let my situation repeat itself in your family. You will never be able to recover from it......take it from one who knows.</blockquote>




Holy crap, Troop.



Hugs to you.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225939132]and everyone please put optimus on "IGNORE" status (upper right corner of the blog)..... It will make for such a nicer day.



Optimus, you remind me of my father. Now go away.</blockquote>


Funny. So much for liberal open-mindedness. May you accept yourself for what you are...someone who's been traumatized by her upbringing and now blames the world for it. :down:
 
[quote author="GOTTI" date=1225939163][quote author="optimusprime" date=1225938839]



Gotti, you are truly the antithesis of an open-minded liberal. You have sorry basis, and no argument.



In trying to insult me as a douche bag for voting YES on 8..you use as image which uses a very degrading "Gayer" term.



The irony.</blockquote>


I'm just stating the facts Moses. I think you're doing a pretty good job of insulting yourself.</blockquote>


Actually I am glad I said something. Now I see the true claws and fangs on IHB.



Liberal open-mindedness is just total BS. It's Liberal vindictiveness more like it.



I am not surprised.
 
<em>Nothing, according to definition #3. Gobot also falls under the definition 3.</em>



Gotti, if you wish to save any shred of credibility you have, you will remove this picture. No wiki definition can justify the words on it. Trust me on this one.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225938827]<em>Ditto. One of the reasons it took me so long to meet my husband is that I had no intention of having children. And actually, my father had a lot to do with shaping my view of the world in my formative years. He was an absolute bigot and and the things he said started turning my stomach by the time I was 10 years old. I really didn?t want a society like the one he believed in and I?m glad that we aren?t preserving the society he believed in.</em>



Step, I understand completely. I was raised by bigots and racists. I recall having a "special" tee shirt that I could only wear inside the house....and I recall feeling very privileged to do so. Want to know what it was ? A KKK tee shirt.



No kidding.



My father brought them home for my brother and I when I was about 7 years old. He also taught us how to do the, "Heil Hitler" salute. My brother had a huge Nazi flag up in his bedroom when I was in high school.



Perhaps this helps you understand why my parents kicked me out at 17, why we really don't see eye to eye to this day, and why my brother and I don't speak.



It's called learned intolerance.



Parents, don't let my situation repeat itself in your family. You will never be able to recover from it......take it from one who knows.</blockquote>


And both our parents are from CT. I don't speak to my father or my brother. I really don't believe that just because someone is family you have to like them, love them and tolerate them when otherwise you wouldn't want to be in the same room with them. My mother wasn't as bad and we had a defining moment when she realized she loved her grandchildren, who are half black. It seemed to change her views on a lot things and at 81 she voted no on 8.
 
My god, Moderators, if you aren't going to stop this crap give me the power and I'll clean up this bullshit myself.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225938979][quote author="T!m" date=1225938859]Optimus,

I am still waiting for to answer my question. Since you believe gays should get to have Civil Unions but not Marriage, what is the difference? I really hope you answer this.



As for the history of marriage, history is full of marriages between more than just one man and one woman. There were same-sex marriages in Greek and Roman days. Is that not going back far enough for you? How about all those guys in the Old Testament that had multiple wives? Are you in support of returning to tradition there? Should we also pass a law to stop people from picking their own spouses due to "love" and go back to arranged marriages designed for political and financial advancement?</blockquote>


Church and State.



Please reference the post I made with the Link to the Gay Male Couple who are voting Yes on 8.</blockquote>


I don't understand your answer. The State has a thing called Marriage. You can get Married without being in a church. Athiests and Satanists get Married. How does the Church play into it?
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225939456]I am totally gloating that I can see that optimus is posting something, but that I can't see the text. LOL !</blockquote>


I'm sure you aren't missing much. It's probably the same old shit.



The Iggy button is a good thing.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225939549]My god, Moderators, if you aren't going to stop this crap give me the power and I'll clean up this bullshit myself.</blockquote>


What is there to moderate? You can go read all my posts. I have remained civil.



If anything, the moderating should be done on those who have responded to me with "F-words".
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225939355]<em>Nothing, according to definition #3. Gobot also falls under the definition 3.</em>



Gotti, if you wish to save any shred of credibility you have, you will remove this picture. No wiki definition can justify the words on it. Trust me on this one.</blockquote>
Fine! I switched it...
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225939612][quote author="Nude" date=1225939549]My god, Moderators, if you aren't going to stop this crap give me the power and I'll clean up this bullshit myself.</blockquote>


What is there to moderate? You can go read all my posts. I have remained civil.



If anything, the moderating should be done on those who have responded to me with "F-words".</blockquote>
I have read all your posts and you are far from being civil. You are intentionally antagonizing another member for no good reason, despite knowing that it is a deeply personal attack.
 
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1225939218][quote author="Trooper" date=1225939132]and everyone please put optimus on "IGNORE" status (upper right corner of the blog)..... It will make for such a nicer day.



Optimus, you remind me of my father. Now go away.</blockquote>


Funny. So much for liberal open-mindedness. May you accept yourself for what you are...someone who's been traumatized by her upbringing and now blames the world for it. :down:[/quote



Well, for the first time I am going to invoke my right to use the ignore button, the IHB equivalent of a dose of pepto bismal for the nausea that has suddenly struck me.
 
"I'd like to get married someday but the girls just don't like me... I don't know why".

<img src="http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/optimus_prime.jpg" alt="" />
 
My neighbors are in their late 50s, have been together for decades. Several months ago I noticed one of them was wearing a bandana around her bald head, had lost all of her hair. I believe in letting people talk about things if they feel like it, so never asked what was going on, though it's obvious it's cancer of some sort. The only discussions we have are when I go over to borrow sugar, or have locked myself out. They're also working professionals, and so I'll ask them their advice on how to deal with some business related issues, and they've always been really helpful.



They wrote to me a few weeks ago to tell me that they had just gotten married, and to please vote no on Prop 8.



Another neighbor saw them today, and they looked devasted. Two middle-aged, quiet women, dealing with all their own issues, and I just feel like they've been kicked when they were already down.



A neighbor down the street had a Yes on Prop 8 sign up, and was loudly arguing in his yard about the evils of homosexuality. Everytime I see something like that I think of these two women... I can't see any other way around it besides the fact that Yes on Prop 8 says "We don't like you. We don't like you being married. We think your marriage is disgusting. You two being married will destroy the minds and values of my children."



It seems so mean. That's all I can say. So very mean.
 
and after optimus' response....I find myself itching to jump onto a Mormon blog just for the FFF of it. www.lds.org for inquiring minds.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225940912]and after optimus' response....I find myself itching to jump onto a Mormon blog just for the FFF of it. www.lds.org for inquiring minds.</blockquote>
Trooper, look at the votes. Mormons spent money, true... but the demographics the gay community needs to focus on are in your own state <em>and</em> are unlikely to be swayed by Mormon anything.



<span style="font-size: 11px;">edited due to excess coffee consumption</span>
 
jefa....thank you for posting a very real story. Until we speak up about who we are (and come out of the closet)....why would anyone support us? I mean, they don't know us, do they. Too many of us are afraid to tell you who we really are for fear of rejection.



You are so kind jefa....know that it took a lot for them to reach out for you on the no on 8 vote....tell them you know this blogger named Trooper. :)
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225940771]MUCH better Gotti ! Thank u so much for changing.....I hope you understand now.</blockquote>


I hope I'm credible again. ;-)



I know I have a habit, well a bad habit of using the word "gay" to describe stupid things. ie. OP. My deepest apologies to all homosexuals and no apologies to the stupid... Douche.
 
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