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Trump is never good when he just speaks from the heart.  I kind of guess what he wants to say, but he is just not good at it.  However, the one bad thing he said is that there are fine people on both sides.  Come on! 

 
Again, this is total non-issue with most Americans.  The stoking of this is being pushed by few on the many.  As I said before, most don't care.

Poll: Most Americans Don?t Want Confederate Statues Torn Down

A new poll shows most Americans, including a plurality of African-Americans, oppose efforts to tear down statues honoring Confederate soldiers.
AUGUST 17, 2017 By Bre Payton

In the wake of the violence in Charlottesville last weekend, many politicians and activists have called for statues honoring Confederate soldiers to be torn down. A new poll, however, shows that most Americans, including a plurality of African-Americans, don?t agree with efforts to tear down Confederate statues. According to a new poll conducted by Marist for NPR/PBS News Hour, 62 percent of Americans want the statues to stay where they are.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/17/poll-overwhelming-majority-americans-want-keep-confederate-statues/
 
Although I agree with Trump that Antifa was also violent in their actions, he completely botched his response to this by leaving the door open to sympathy for white supremacists.  He should have resolutely denounced them while still denouncing the violence of the anti-protestors.  Instead, he came out looking like he sides with white supremacists, which was really dumb.

Politically speaking, I'm not sure why Trump thought doing this was a good idea, because even among the "white aggrievement" type of voters that supported him, very few wish to be associated with white supremacy.  This isn't earning him any extra votes from the small number of white nationalists out there, and it's probably doing the opposite and causing him to lose votes among the less extreme members of his coalition.  He may have just handed the 2018 midterms to Democrats, and it's also going to create huge problems getting his agenda passed in Congress as now nobody will want the optics of having worked with Trump.
 
Liar Loan said:
Although I agree with Trump that Antifa was also violent in their actions, he completely botched his response to this by leaving the door open to sympathy for white supremacists.  He should have resolutely denounced them while still denouncing the violence of the anti-protestors.  Instead, he came out looking like he sides with white supremacists, which was really dumb.

Politically speaking, I'm not sure why Trump thought doing this was a good idea, because even among the "white aggrievement" type of voters that supported him, very few wish to be associated with white supremacy.  This isn't earning him any extra votes from the small number of white nationalists out there, and it's probably doing the opposite and causing him to lose votes among the less extreme members of his coalition.  He may have just handed the 2018 midterms to Democrats, and it's also going to create huge problems getting his agenda passed in Congress as now nobody will want the optics of having worked with Trump.
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That's why tax reform needs to happen now.
 
Trump spoke up on a very toxic topic.  He is statement was very unpopular, but it was true.  Everyone is distancing themselves from him because to agree with him is toxic.  As we see with him, you get compared to hitler are labeled nazis are compared to dictators who killed millions of people...  If you are in politics, get as far away from Trump as possible if you want to keep your career.

The problem here is due to the genetic logical fallacy.  Using the genetic logical fallacy, people assume that the evil group was 100% wrong. 

The hate in the alt-right groups are bad.  They are extremely hated.  They need to be demonized.  That is their genetic description.  Almost nobody cares at all about them or has one ounce of empathy for them.

They decided to have a lawful non-violent rally, the rally was peaceful until the counter protesters showed up and many with the intent to get violent. 

Aside from the car incident, many of the highlighted cases of violence were initiated by the counter-protesters.  The garage scene that we saw started with a group of counter-protesters hitting the rally participants in the heads with clubs. 

There are reports that the rally participants also started some of the violence.  Let's assume those reports are true.  They probably are. 

So we have 2 groups doing wrong.  One group, is hated and needs to be demonized.  One group, we are sympathetic to and want to side with.  We instinctively side with the group we are sympathetic to.  We instinctively demonize the group we hate.  We assume that group is 100% in the wrong and that's where the logical fallacy happens.  We are ignoring that people did wrong on both sides.

As for the car that killed someone.  That kid doesn't represent most of the rally participants.  He might represent some of them, but if the rest of them were there to be violent, we would have seen a lot more violence.  We don't know all the facts yet about the car situation. 
 
spootieho said:
Trump spoke up on a very toxic topic.  He is statement was very unpopular, but it was true.  Everyone is distancing themselves from him because to agree with him is toxic.  As we see with him, you get compared to hitler are labeled nazis are compared to dictators who killed millions of people...  If you are in politics, get as far away from Trump as possible if you want to keep your career.

The problem here is due to the genetic logical fallacy.  Using the genetic logical fallacy, people assume that the evil group was 100% wrong. 

The hate in the alt-right groups are bad.  They are extremely hated.  They need to be demonized.  That is their genetic description.  Almost nobody cares at all about them or has one ounce of empathy for them.

They decided to have a lawful non-violent rally, the rally was peaceful until the counter protesters showed up and many with the intent to get violent. 

Aside from the car incident, many of the highlighted cases of violence were initiated by the counter-protesters.  The garage scene that we saw started with a group of counter-protesters hitting the rally participants in the heads with clubs. 

There are reports that the rally participants also started some of the violence.  Let's assume those reports are true.  They probably are. 

So we have 2 groups doing wrong.  One group, is hated and needs to be demonized.  One group, we are sympathetic to and want to side with.  We instinctively side with the group we are sympathetic to.  We instinctively demonize the group we hate.  We assume that group is 100% in the wrong and that's where the logical fallacy happens.  We are ignoring that people did wrong on both sides.

As for the car that killed someone.  That kid doesn't represent most of the rally participants.  He might represent some of them, but if the rest of them were there to be violent, we would have seen a lot more violence.  We don't know all the facts yet about the car situation.
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz....911-calls-mom-mother-violence-charlottesville
 
Wadda ya know, there are two sides to every story

Both sides were to blame for Charlottesville violence

Where was their anger when the ACLU described the situation as it unfolded? ?Not sure who provoked first. Both sides were hitting each other at Justice Park before police arrived,? the ACLU of Virginia declared via Twitter on Saturday afternoon. The group identified both factions in a video of an open-air brawl on Charlottesville?s streets. ?The guy on the ground is a Unite the Right protester. Those in black and red are #Antifa protesters,? referring to far-Left ?anti-Fascist? thugs.

There was no angst when Reuters reported that ?Many of the rally participants were seen carrying firearms, sticks and shields. Some also wore helmets. Counter-protesters likewise came equipped with sticks, helmets and shields.? Reuters correspondents Amanda Becker and Jeff Mason added, ?The two sides clashed in scattered street brawls before a car plowed into the rally opponents, killing one woman and injuring 19 others.?

Facts barely matter when it comes to slamming President Trump. There is nothing Trump can say or do to please his fire-breathing foes, other than to head-first off the George Washington Bridge. (Washington owned slaves. So, tear it down!)

http://www.unionleader.com/column/D...harlottesville[code][/code]-violence-08182017
 
Being a Bruin, I may buy into this theory >:( ;)

Traveler, USC's mascot, comes under scrutiny for having a name similar to Robert E. Lee's horse

At the rally, according to the student newspaper the Daily Trojan, Saphia Jackson, co-director of the USC Black Student Assembly, asked students not to be quiet, and reminded that ?white supremacy hits close to home? and referenced the name of the Trojans mascot.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-traveler-20170818-story.html
 
morekaos said:
Being a Bruin, I may buy into this theory >:( ;)

Traveler, USC's mascot, comes under scrutiny for having a name similar to Robert E. Lee's horse

At the rally, according to the student newspaper the Daily Trojan, Saphia Jackson, co-director of the USC Black Student Assembly, asked students not to be quiet, and reminded that ?white supremacy hits close to home? and referenced the name of the Trojans mascot.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-traveler-20170818-story.html
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Saphia would be more credible if she changed her own surname first.
 
spootieho said:
What does all this crap have to do with the presidential election?
Start a new topic.
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It's a place holder. There are ample amount of Trump topics on TI from Elcipse to United States vs?.
If we started a topic for every controversy the message board might be full.

On a different note. Any thoughts on Zuckerberg 2020 run?
 
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/...bert-lee-off-uva-game-avoid-offending-idiots/

MSESPN Pulls Asian Announcer Named Robert Lee Off UVa Game To Avoid Offending Idiots

In a story that seems made for The Onion, but is actually true, according to multiple Outkick fans inside ESPN MSESPN decided to pull an Asian college football announcer named Robert Lee off the William and Mary at University of Virginia college football game because they were concerned that having an ASIAN FOOTBALL ANNOUNCER NAMED ROBERT LEE would be offensive to some viewers.
 
spootieho said:
What does all this crap have to do with the presidential election?
Start a new topic.
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Because this is the most recent BS that they are trying  to blugeon this administration with. What happened to 24/7 "Russian collusion"?  "We will get back to that if we ever find anything. Right now the president is a racist. Haven't you heard? " More delusional thinking that will end up nowhere.

How To Know You?re In a Mass Hysteria Bubble

A mass hysteria happens when the public gets a wrong idea about something that has strong emotional content and it triggers cognitive dissonance that is often supported by confirmation bias. In other words, people spontaneously hallucinate a whole new (and usually crazy-sounding) reality and believe they see plenty of evidence for it. The Salem Witch Trials are the best-known example of mass hysteria. The McMartin Pre-School case and the Tulip Bulb hysteria are others. The dotcom bubble probably qualifies. We might soon learn that the Russian Collusion story was mass hysteria in hindsight. The curious lack of solid evidence for Russian collusion is a red flag. But we?ll see how that plays out.

The most visible Mass Hysteria of the moment involves the idea that the United States intentionally elected a racist President. If that statement just triggered you, it might mean you are in the Mass Hysteria bubble. The cool part is that you can?t fact-check my claim you are hallucinating if you are actually hallucinating. But you can read my description of the signs of mass hysteria and see if you check off the boxes.

If you?re in the mass hysteria, recognizing you have all the symptoms of hysteria won?t help you be aware you are in it. That?s not how hallucinations work. Instead, your hallucination will automatically rewrite itself to expel any new data that conflicts with its illusions.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

 
morekaos said:
How To Know You?re In a Mass Hysteria Bubble

A mass hysteria happens when the public gets a wrong idea about something that has strong emotional content and it triggers cognitive dissonance that is often supported by confirmation bias. In other words, people spontaneously hallucinate a whole new (and usually crazy-sounding) reality and believe they see plenty of evidence for it. The Salem Witch Trials are the best-known example of mass hysteria. The McMartin Pre-School case and the Tulip Bulb hysteria are others. The dotcom bubble probably qualifies. We might soon learn that the Russian Collusion story was mass hysteria in hindsight. The curious lack of solid evidence for Russian collusion is a red flag. But we?ll see how that plays out.

The most visible Mass Hysteria of the moment involves the idea that the United States intentionally elected a racist President. If that statement just triggered you, it might mean you are in the Mass Hysteria bubble. The cool part is that you can?t fact-check my claim you are hallucinating if you are actually hallucinating. But you can read my description of the signs of mass hysteria and see if you check off the boxes.

If you?re in the mass hysteria, recognizing you have all the symptoms of hysteria won?t help you be aware you are in it. That?s not how hallucinations work. Instead, your hallucination will automatically rewrite itself to expel any new data that conflicts with its illusions.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble
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Even big companies like Disney fear the hysteria: they just removed an ESPN announcer named "Robert Lee" because of his name.https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-r...irginia-game-nobody-looks-good-122026966.html

Oh by the way, Robert Lee is Korean.
 
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