President Trump

[fortune11]

The whole thing is just plain bizarre ... even for an outside observer

Basically Nunes, some Republicans, Hannity et. al. more upset about a FISA application for Carter Page than Putin's attack on an American election. They even went to the lengths of releasing bits of it to fox and friendly outlets before releasing it broadly .

A bizarre anti-patriotism to benefit Trump.  This is the real swamp that needs to be purged for our country?s sake .

This is now , people telling  you straight up - that  they do not care about Russia involvement if it means beating the democrats. if trump said he had to declare marshal law and go door to door - they'd be like "take that liberals ? !!

Christ, if Nixon had hannity and Fox News back in his time , he surely would have survived ...

 

[fortune11]

What one cant figure out is ?

The official GOP position is that police are an incorruptible force when it comes to patrolling Black neighborhoods, but

also the top law enforcement agency in the nation is corrupt in its investigation of Trump

The 50,000 texts released between Peter Strouk and Lisa Page confirm the corruption.  They openly talk about leaking classified information to the press, coming up with an "insurance policy" in case Trump is elected, and remind themselves they shouldn't be having these conversations on their work devices.  Oops. 

That's why they have both been demoted and removed from the special counsel investigation.

I know all of us hold each other to the highest standards of accuracy when it comes to housing related stats , why not here as well .

Here is the WALL STEET JOURNAL , actually describing the full context of those texts , which numbered 7,000 by the way


? Texts critical of Mr. Trump represent a fraction of the roughly 7,000 messages, which stretch across 384 pages and show no evidence of a conspiracy against Mr. Trump. Rather, a broader look shows an unvarnished and complex picture of the lives of an FBI agent and lawyer who found themselves at the center of highly charged probe ?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside...-in-their-text-messages-1517589380?mod=e2twus

 

[Kings]

The warrant was not approved 4 times before 2016.

The memo stated that on Oct. 21, 2016, the Justice Department and the FBI ?sought and received? a FISA probable cause order authorizing ?electronic surveillance? on Page from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. At the time, Page was a volunteer adviser on the Trump campaign.

According to the memo, the FBI and DOJ obtained ?one initial FISA warrant? targeting Page, and three FISA renewals from the FISA court. The statute required that every 90 days, a FISA order on an American citizen ?must be renewed.?

The memo stated that then-FBI Director Comey signed three FISA applications for Page and McCabe signed one.

Trump?s current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein also signed at least one FISA application for Page ? along with former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates and former Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/02/house-memo-states-disputed-dossier-was-key-to-fbi-s-fisa-warrant-to-surveil-members-team-trump.html

What is the difference between the warrant being issued versus renewed?  A judge has to be convinced that the warrant should remain and thus the renewal.  Same standard.

I would imagine it's harder to get a warrant issued for the first time versus having it renewed.  If you're painting a picture for the FISC that does not include all of the important facts (i.e. the DNC and Hillary were funding the research, Steele had an agenda, circular reporting, etc.), then you can fall back on the initial application to justify why you still need to monitor this guy.  The renewed applications is one thing the Nunes memo does not outline that hopefully the Schiff memo clears up.

BTW, heard there is another Republican memos to come regarding the State Department, and an OIG report on Clinton email investigation.  There are heads rolling throughout all of this (McCabe removed on Monday, Ohr demoted last month, Stzork demoted, etc.) so the idea that this whole thing is a big nothingburger doesn't reflect reality.

 

[eyephone]

?Nunes: I did not read material summarized in the memo

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day.

Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).?

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....rveillance-warrant-applications-that-form?amp

My comment: Nunes authorized the memo, but he didn?t review the applications for surveillance warrants. (This is a hilarious) Then why release the memo, and the person who he relied on the memo is retiring from congress. In addition , as of now WONT release the Democratic memo. (Doesn?t pass the smell test at all.)

 

[Kings]

?Nunes: I did not read material summarized in the memo

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) on Friday admitted that did not personally review the applications for surveillance warrants that provide the basis of the classified memo released earlier in the day.

Nunes said he relied on the review of committee member Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).?

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill....rveillance-warrant-applications-that-form?amp

My comment: Nunes authorized the memo, but he didn?t review the applications for surveillance warrants. (This is a hilarious) Then why release the memo, and the person who he relied on the memo is retiring from congress. In addition , as of now WONT release the Democratic memo. (Doesn?t pass the smell test at all.)

Nunes is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, so naturally it would make sense that the memo come from him.  Only one person was allowed to view the FISA applications.  Nunes thought it made the most sense to have Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor who probably has a little bit of experience with this type of thing, read the memo and take notes. 

Democrat memo will come out, but it's 10 pages and needs to be reviewed/scrubbed just like the Republican memo.

 

[eyephone]

@ Kings

?Gowdy: Memo has no impact on Russia probe

(CNN) South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy said the recently released, controversial GOP memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority does not have "any impact on the Russia probe," and even without the Steele dossier, there would be a Russia investigation.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

 

[Kings]

@ Kings

?Gowdy: Memo has no impact on Russia probe

(CNN) South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy said the recently released, controversial GOP memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority does not have "any impact on the Russia probe," and even without the Steele dossier, there would be a Russia investigation.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

I would agree with Gowdy in this case that it doesn't make sense to try to discredit Mueller at this point.  Trump will be Trump and do what he can to defend himself by speaking his mind.

What really concerns me with this whole thing is the "three hops" rule.

With 3 'Hops,' NSA Gets Millions Of Phone Records

Testimony before Congress on Wednesday showed how easy it is for Americans with no connection to terrorism to unwittingly have their calling patterns analyzed by the government.

It hinges on what's known as "hop" or "chain" analysis. When the NSA identifies a suspect, it can look not just at his phone records, but also the records of everyone he calls, everyone who calls those people and everyone who calls those people.

If the average person called 40 unique people, three-hop analysis would allow the government to mine the records of 2.5 million Americans when investigating one suspected terrorist.

The NSA has said it conducted 300 searches of its telephone database last year. Left unsaid until Wednesday was that three-hop analysis off those searches could mean scrutinizing the phone records of tens or even hundreds of millions of people.

"So what has been described as a discrete program, to go after people who would cause us harm, when you look at the reach of this program, it envelopes a substantial number of Americans," said Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=207195207[/quote]

Which leads to:

Samantha Power sought to unmask Americans on almost daily basis, sources say

Samantha Power, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, was 'unmasking' at such a rapid pace in the final months of the Obama administration that she averaged more than one request for every working day in 2016 ? and even sought information in the days leading up to President Trump?s inauguration, multiple sources close to the matter told Fox News.

Two sources, who were not authorized to speak on the record, said the requests to identify Americans whose names surfaced in foreign intelligence reporting, known as unmasking, exceeded 260 last year. One source indicated this occurred in the final days of the Obama White House.

The details emerged ahead of an expected appearance by Power next month on Capitol Hill. She is one of several Obama administration officials facing congressional scrutiny for their role in seeking the identities of Trump associates in intelligence reports ? but the interest in her actions is particularly high.

In a July 27 letter to Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the committee had learned "that one official, whose position had no apparent intelligence-related function, made hundreds of unmasking requests during the final year of the Obama Administration."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-almost-daily-basis-sources-say.html[/quote]

Bogus dossier used to obtain FISA warrant -> 3 hops rule allows for capturing of all of Trump team communications -> non-intelligence related person unmasks Trump team communications daily

 

[Liar Loan]

What one cant figure out is ?

The official GOP position is that police are an incorruptible force when it comes to patrolling Black neighborhoods, but

also the top law enforcement agency in the nation is corrupt in its investigation of Trump

The 50,000 texts released between Peter Strouk and Lisa Page confirm the corruption.  They openly talk about leaking classified information to the press, coming up with an "insurance policy" in case Trump is elected, and remind themselves they shouldn't be having these conversations on their work devices.  Oops. 

That's why they have both been demoted and removed from the special counsel investigation.

I know all of us hold each other to the highest standards of accuracy when it comes to housing related stats , why not here as well .

Here is the WALL STEET JOURNAL , actually describing the full context of those texts , which numbered 7,000 by the way


? Texts critical of Mr. Trump represent a fraction of the roughly 7,000 messages, which stretch across 384 pages and show no evidence of a conspiracy against Mr. Trump. Rather, a broader look shows an unvarnished and complex picture of the lives of an FBI agent and lawyer who found themselves at the center of highly charged probe ?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside...-in-their-text-messages-1517589380?mod=e2twus

fortune11 - Perhaps you need to hold yourself to a higher standard?

More than 50,000 texts exchanged between FBI officials Strzok and Page, Sessions says
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...r-fbis-missing-strzok-page-text-messages.html

Found: DOJ recovers 50,000 missing text messages between Peter Strzok, Lisa Page
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...-text-messages-between-peter-strzok-lisa-page

 

[Liar Loan]

Basically Nunes, some Republicans, Hannity et. al. more upset about a FISA application for Carter Page than Putin's attack on an American election.

Yes, I am more concerned that the FBI/DOJ violated the law to swing an election than I am that Russians tried to interfere in an election.  The reason being that the FBI/DOJ is supposed to be on our side.  Russians are a known adversary and behaved exactly as you would expect them to.  The FBI/DOJ is supposed to act in a legal, ethical manner when utilizing their great powers to spy on US citizens.  They should be held to a higher standard than the Russian government.  They should be held to the highest standard.

 

[Loco_local]

I couldn't believe how Comey reopened the email investigation weeks before the election and it made public.

Basically Nunes, some Republicans, Hannity et. al. more upset about a FISA application for Carter Page than Putin's attack on an American election.

Yes, I am more concerned that the FBI/DOJ violated the law to swing an election than I am that Russians tried to interfere in an election.  The reason being that the FBI/DOJ is supposed to be on our side.  Russians are a known adversary and behaved exactly as you would expect them to.  The FBI/DOJ is supposed to act in a legal, ethical manner when utilizing their great powers to spy on US citizens.  They should be held to a higher standard than the Russian government.  They should be held to the highest standard.

 

[Loco_local]

I am looking forward to the next elections when the Russians start to favor the other side. For some reason, I think people will mind the Russian propoganda and money influencing American elections.

 

[Liar Loan]

Irvinecommuter - If you are interested in a brief education about how to legally obtain a FISA warrant:
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/959530045986320384

 

[fortune11]

Basically Nunes, some Republicans, Hannity et. al. more upset about a FISA application for Carter Page than Putin's attack on an American election.

Yes, I am more concerned that the FBI/DOJ violated the law to swing an election than I am that Russians tried to interfere in an election.  The reason being that the FBI/DOJ is supposed to be on our side.  Russians are a known adversary and behaved exactly as you would expect them to.  The FBI/DOJ is supposed to act in a legal, ethical manner when utilizing their great powers to spy on US citizens.  They should be held to a higher standard than the Russian government.  They should be held to the highest standard.

How about holding your president to a higher standard , heck ANY standard,  for a change : )

 

[fortune11]

White House statement on market selloff ,  LOL

"The President?s focus is on our long-term economic fundamentals, which remain exceptionally strong, with strengthening U.S. economic growth, historically low unemployment, and increasing wages for American workers. The President?s tax cuts and regulatory reforms will further enhance the U.S. economy and continue to increase prosperity for the American people.?

What ? No more credit for the stock market ? Nothing to see here , move on ...

 

[Liar Loan]

How about holding your president to a higher standard , heck ANY standard,  for a change : )

This FBI/DOJ probe does involve the president silly.  The extent to which President Obama weaponized the FBI is something we need answers to.

 

[Liar Loan]

What ? No more credit for the stock market ? Nothing to see here , move on ...

Using two days of market action to make a broader political point is the weakest of arguments.  You have either profited handsomely since he was a elected, or you have missed out by sitting on the sidelines.

 

[fortune11]

What ? No more credit for the stock market ? Nothing to see here , move on ...

Using two days of market action to make a broader political point is the weakest of arguments.  You have either profited handsomely since he was a elected, or you have missed out by sitting on the sidelines.

If you are really smart you have profited handsomely since Obama was elected .. : )    one year is a pretty small time horizon

and thanks for making my point

 

[Liar Loan]

What ? No more credit for the stock market ? Nothing to see here , move on ...

Using two days of market action to make a broader political point is the weakest of arguments.  You have either profited handsomely since he was a elected, or you have missed out by sitting on the sidelines.

If you are really smart you have profited handsomely since Obama was elected .. : )    one year is a pretty small time horizon

and thanks for making my point

My only mistake under Obama was jumping into the market a little too early in January 2009.  The market didn't bottom until March 2009.

 

[Loco_local]

I wonder if all of these people who are criticizing the FBI's survellience on American citizens are secretly hoping that El Chapo can get released from prison and resume his activity.

(Just to be clear, I'm talking about certain politicians).

 

[fortune11]

What ? No more credit for the stock market ? Nothing to see here , move on ...

Using two days of market action to make a broader political point is the weakest of arguments.  You have either profited handsomely since he was a elected, or you have missed out by sitting on the sidelines.

If you are really smart you have profited handsomely since Obama was elected .. : )    one year is a pretty small time horizon

and thanks for making my point

My only mistake under Obama was jumping into the market a little too early in January 2009.  The market didn't bottom until March 2009.

if you actually did that , and in decent size (in relation to your investable assets) , you are smarter than a vast majority of retail investors and wall street sell siders...