President Trump

[irvinehomeowner]

What link are you guys using to view recent posts?  When I go to the landing page there are the 5 most recent posts at the bottom, but it doesn't show me the font color, font size, or anything else, just the 5 most recent Subject headers.

It's on the home page at the bottom (click the Recent Posts icon):
http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php?action=recent

I use the above URL on my phone as it's easier to consumer rather than having to click on each Subject header to see what was posted.

Usually, I click on "Show unread posts since last visit" at the top of the page and scan through to see which topics I want to read from there.  That still doesn't show any of the content of the posts, just the Subject and the last person to comment.

That's what I use on a desktop. I'll click in if the subject interests me.

Trying to control what others do is going to fail.  You will drive out all of the interesting people that don't agree with you, which will lead to a boring echochamber full of groupthink.  The already low traffic numbers will get even worse.  This has happened before and it has damaged this forum immensely.  Many people have left TI never to return.  So think about what you are trying to do here.

Don't remember any incident that has damaged this forum. Members have left but it's usually because they overshared and had to protect their identity... others maybe over disagreements -- but to me if you can't stick it out on the Internet, well then it's better you don't post.

Still don't know what damage has been caused. We usually do a good job as a community on weeding out posters who are abusive or hateful.

Quite honestly, unless you own the site or are an admin, you usually will not stay very long in a forum. There are many people who were here 10 years ago (on the IHB) and are no longer active. I think only USC is still active like me and he has an "agenda" ( ).

 

[Liar Loan]

I'm thinking mostly about the OC Reader crowd that left this forum early on because they didn't like certain posters / topics here.  They took the drastic step of creating their own forum but were not overly welcoming to those that didn't fit their idea of what was acceptable, and eventually that forum died because nobody wanted to be apart of it.  It's a different situation from this one, but I think the general lessons are the same.

Tolerate others if you want this forum to continue, and simply ignore those posters / topics that you find bothersome or don't interest you.  There's really not enough traffic here to justify shutting topics down.

 

[bones]

I'm thinking mostly about the OC Reader crowd that left this forum early on because they didn't like certain posters / topics here.  They took the drastic step of creating their own forum but were not overly welcoming to those that didn't fit their idea of what was acceptable, and eventually that forum died because nobody wanted to be apart of it.  It's a different situation from this one, but I think the general lessons are the same.

Tolerate others if you want this forum to continue, and simply ignore those posters / topics that you find bothersome or don't interest you.  There's really not enough traffic here to justify shutting topics down.

I don?t think topics need to be shut down. I just chose to ignore slash not read TI as much. But I will say that the big colored font is obnoxious. Forum etiquette goes both ways.

 

[usctrojancpa]

I'm thinking mostly about the OC Reader crowd that left this forum early on because they didn't like certain posters / topics here.  They took the drastic step of creating their own forum but were not overly welcoming to those that didn't fit their idea of what was acceptable, and eventually that forum died because nobody wanted to be apart of it.  It's a different situation from this one, but I think the general lessons are the same.

Tolerate others if you want this forum to continue, and simply ignore those posters / topics that you find bothersome or don't interest you.  There's really not enough traffic here to justify shutting topics down.

Good riddance to those sharks/debbie downers having gotten off of here, it's funny to me that their forum was a big fail. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

But hey...tax cuts!

Just today: Trump admin declined to impose new Russia sanctions, a top FBI official probing Trump&Russia was forced out, and House Intel R's voted to release a classified memo that purports to undermine Russia probe. Also, DOJ/FBI are officially under investigation by HPSCI R's.

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/958121487805878275

Republicans on the House intelligence committee voted Monday in favor of releasing a classified memo that alleges misconduct by senior FBI officials involved in the Russia probe, despite objections from the Department of Justice.

The GOP-led panel voted along party lines to release the secret document ? which was written by Republicans ? and against making public a competing memo Democrats had crafted, said Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee. The group also rejected a proposal to give the Justice Department and FBI more time to vet the Republican document, he said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/trey-gowdy-devin-nunes-fbi-classified-memo-374688

 

[Irvinecommuter]

And pretty sure we have hit televangelist level.

Trump campaign?s livestream of State of the Union speech will display campaign donors? names on screen.

https://twitter.com/derekwillis/status/958074054208114688

 

[Liar Loan]

IrvineCommuter - Does it concern you that the FBI used unverified political opposition research to obtain a FISA warrant against Carter Page that allowed for the unrestricted monitoring of Trump's campaign?  This is the type of stuff that J Edgar Hoover used to engage in during the bad old days at the FBI to weaponize information against his political enemies.  Supposedly, they are held accountable now, but this memo might blow the doors off that.

 

[eyephone]

IrvineCommuter - Does it concern you that the FBI used unverified political opposition research to obtain a FISA warrant against Carter Page that allowed for the unrestricted monitoring of Trump's campaign?  This is the type of stuff that J Edgar Hoover used to engage in during the bad old days at the FBI to weaponize information against his political enemies.  Supposedly, they are held accountable now, but this memo might blow the doors off that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...politics/trump-campaign-page-russian.amp.html

According to the article,? Carter page met Russian government officials during a July 2016 trip he took to Moscow, according to testimony he gave on Thursday to the House Intelligence Committee.?

Would a reasonable person think that this might be suspicious?

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?Court records unsealed on Monday revealed that another campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, met in 2016 with Russians who said they had connections to the government and was told about ?dirt? regarding Hillary Clinton in the form of ?thousands of emails.? The court records were released by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russian attempts to disrupt the presidential election last year and whether any of President Trump?s associates helped in that effort.? (According to the Nytimes article mentioned above.)

I like to remind you George plead guilty to lying to the FBI.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...orge-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

 

[Liar Loan]

Eyephone - If you are so confident in your position, then why not support the release of the memo?  Wouldn't you as an American like to get past the innuendo and know the truth once and for all?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Personally, I'm embarrassed by many of the actions of our president.

But I said this would be the case before the election, and not too sure Hillary would be any better. But at least she's not bitter right?

 

[jmoney74]

pretty good speech last night though.

 

[eyephone]

Eyephone - If you are so confident in your position, then why not support the release of the memo?  Wouldn't you as an American like to get past the innuendo and know the truth once and for all?

?The FBI came close to publicly opposing the memo?s release, saying in a statement Wednesday that it has ?grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo?s accuracy.?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...-percent-after-he-s-asked-to-release-gop-memo

I will side with the FBI. I respect and have confidence in the FBI. I would like to add Trump appointed the new FBI Director Chris Wray which he is opposed  releasing the memo. (From what I read in the article)

I have to say this: It?s really unfortunate how Trump is attacking the FBI for political reasons. The FBI is the top law enforcement in the US and I would say the world.

First Comey, then McCabe, and now undermining the FBI by potentially releasing the memo. (I will update my comment if Trump decides not release the memo.)

 

[eyephone]

pretty good speech last night though.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-clapping-himself-becomes-thing/1081504001/

 

[Kings]

pretty good speech last night though.

 

[Liar Loan]

Demographics in this country are changing... just not fast enough.

The math is clear: Democrats need to win more working-class white votes
Debunking the bad advice that Democrats should ignore working-class whites.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...class-demographics-alabama-clinton-obama-base


There's lots to chew on here, so I'll just let those that are interested click through to the article.

 

[Kings]

Atlanta Fed estimate of GDP growth tops 5%, doubling consensus

How fast is the U.S. economy growing?

Most estimates say that, for the first quarter, growth is in the region of about 2.6%. But the Atlanta Fed?s GDPNow model says that first-quarter growth may be an eye-popping 5.4%.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...-tops-5-doubling-consensus-2018-02-01[/quote]

 

[Liar Loan]

I will side with the FBI. I respect and have confidence in the FBI. I would like to add Trump appointed the new FBI Director Chris Wray which he is opposed  releasing the memo. (From what I read in the article)

I have to say this: It?s really unfortunate how Trump is attacking the FBI for political reasons. The FBI is the top law enforcement in the US and I would say the world.

First Comey, then McCabe, and now undermining the FBI by potentially releasing the memo. (I will update my comment if Trump decides not release the memo.)

The FBI will only remain the top law enforcement agency in the world if they uphold their oath to defend the Constitution.  Skirting around the 4th Amendment to monitor a US citizen without probable cause weakens our nation more than the release of a memo.  Carter Page was not the only person spied upon by the FBI on questionable grounds, he's just the most prominent at the moment.  We can't have those who serve on Presidential campaigns worry that they might be subject to wiretapping for supporting the wrong candidate.  That erodes the Constitution, weakens our democracy, and makes the FBI a political tool for the party in power.  We are no better than Russia if that's how our intelligence agencies are going to be used.

 

[Kings]

I will side with the FBI. I respect and have confidence in the FBI. I would like to add Trump appointed the new FBI Director Chris Wray which he is opposed  releasing the memo. (From what I read in the article)

I have to say this: It?s really unfortunate how Trump is attacking the FBI for political reasons. The FBI is the top law enforcement in the US and I would say the world.

First Comey, then McCabe, and now undermining the FBI by potentially releasing the memo. (I will update my comment if Trump decides not release the memo.)

The FBI will only remain the top law enforcement agency in the world if they uphold their oath to defend the Constitution.  Skirting around the 4th Amendment to monitor a US citizen without probable cause weakens our nation more than the release of a memo.  Carter Page was not the only person spied upon by the FBI on questionable grounds, he's just the most prominent at the moment.  We can't have those who serve on Presidential campaigns worry that they might be subject to wiretapping for supporting the wrong candidate.  That erodes the Constitution, weakens our democracy, and makes the FBI a political tool for the party in power.  We are no better than Russia if that's how our intelligence agencies are going to be used.

• FBI used dossier to obtain FISA warrant, which would not have been obtained without the dossier (confirmed by McCabe)
• FBI did not disclose to FISC that the dossier was paid for by Clinton campaign and DNC, despite knowing this fact
• FBI used Yahoo News article to corroborate dossier to obtain FISA warrant, however Yahoo News was fed information from Steele himself = circular reporting
• Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr that he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not becoming president"

The FBI as an institution may do a lot of good, but the people at the top clearly abused their power to use flimsy evidence to spy on the Trump campaign.

 

[eyephone]

I will side with the FBI. I respect and have confidence in the FBI. I would like to add Trump appointed the new FBI Director Chris Wray which he is opposed  releasing the memo. (From what I read in the article)

I have to say this: It?s really unfortunate how Trump is attacking the FBI for political reasons. The FBI is the top law enforcement in the US and I would say the world.

First Comey, then McCabe, and now undermining the FBI by potentially releasing the memo. (I will update my comment if Trump decides not release the memo.)

The FBI will only remain the top law enforcement agency in the world if they uphold their oath to defend the Constitution.  Skirting around the 4th Amendment to monitor a US citizen without probable cause weakens our nation more than the release of a memo.  Carter Page was not the only person spied upon by the FBI on questionable grounds, he's just the most prominent at the moment.  We can't have those who serve on Presidential campaigns worry that they might be subject to wiretapping for supporting the wrong candidate.  That erodes the Constitution, weakens our democracy, and makes the FBI a political tool for the party in power.  We are no better than Russia if that's how our intelligence agencies are going to be used.

• FBI used dossier to obtain FISA warrant, which would not have been obtained without the dossier (confirmed by McCabe)
• FBI did not disclose to FISC that the dossier was paid for by Clinton campaign and DNC, despite knowing this fact
• FBI used Yahoo News article to corroborate dossier to obtain FISA warrant, however Yahoo News was fed information from Steele himself = circular reporting
• Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr that he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not becoming president"

The FBI as an institution may do a lot of good, but the people at the top clearly abused their power to use flimsy evidence to spy on the Trump campaign.

This is only one side. Then why not release the Democrat memo?

 

[Kings]

I will side with the FBI. I respect and have confidence in the FBI. I would like to add Trump appointed the new FBI Director Chris Wray which he is opposed  releasing the memo. (From what I read in the article)

I have to say this: It?s really unfortunate how Trump is attacking the FBI for political reasons. The FBI is the top law enforcement in the US and I would say the world.

First Comey, then McCabe, and now undermining the FBI by potentially releasing the memo. (I will update my comment if Trump decides not release the memo.)

The FBI will only remain the top law enforcement agency in the world if they uphold their oath to defend the Constitution.  Skirting around the 4th Amendment to monitor a US citizen without probable cause weakens our nation more than the release of a memo.  Carter Page was not the only person spied upon by the FBI on questionable grounds, he's just the most prominent at the moment.  We can't have those who serve on Presidential campaigns worry that they might be subject to wiretapping for supporting the wrong candidate.  That erodes the Constitution, weakens our democracy, and makes the FBI a political tool for the party in power.  We are no better than Russia if that's how our intelligence agencies are going to be used.

• FBI used dossier to obtain FISA warrant, which would not have been obtained without the dossier (confirmed by McCabe)
• FBI did not disclose to FISC that the dossier was paid for by Clinton campaign and DNC, despite knowing this fact
• FBI used Yahoo News article to corroborate dossier to obtain FISA warrant, however Yahoo News was fed information from Steele himself = circular reporting
• Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr that he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not becoming president"

The FBI as an institution may do a lot of good, but the people at the top clearly abused their power to use flimsy evidence to spy on the Trump campaign.

This is only one side. Then why not release the Democrat memo?

Democrat memo needs to go through the same review process as Republican memo.  Looking forward to seeing their side of the story.