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Just rough calculations, I drive local 30 minutes round trip daily to work.  Spend about $100 in gas/month,minus roughly $50 with the hybrid.  Difference between hybrid and non hybrid is about $1500-1800.  But that's assuming hybrid haggle pricing, haven't tested non-hybrid haggle pricing, maybe I'll hit more near the 75-80% of MSRP range.  That will extend the break even out to 4-5 years.  So hybrid is not prime time?
 
I drive 100 miles a day round trip. Used to have a hybrid, my break even was about 4 years and thats when gas was about $4/gallon, had the car for five years.  I wouldn't pay extra for the hybrid if i was u, unless there are non-financial reasons for doing it.  For me, I hate going to the gas station and the hybrid allowed me to fill up once a week on the weekends.
 
What's the delta?  Toyota is closing the price gap on these hybrid cars relative to non hybrid. 
 
ps9 said:
Looks like no Avalon hybrid for me.. most inventories are gone except for Longo and they refuse to go below 85% of MSRP.  I underestimated the appeal of the mass market for hybrid cars.  My current Avalon is around 75% of MSRP (a great deal in hindsight).  With gas savings of around $600/year, break even for going hybrid is around 3-3.5 years.  I think I can get a better deal targeting the non-hybrids... hmmm

Also just found out the new Avalon starting in '13 is no longer a 'full size sedan' but now mid-size.  I'll loose about 0.5 inches of headroom by going from my '11 to '14.  Might as well go for an Accord or Camry.
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does "75% of MSRP" include sales tax, license registration or etc?
 
Fuel economy is quite low on the wants list. And for the 15% that rank it at the top, most are like qwerrty and really looking to need to just gas up less or not have $100 fill up 

 
This is a non car forum so when purchasing a car - what three things are most important to you?

(asking on a car forum gets heavily biased answers (think about everyone responding like USCtrojan)
 
yaliu07 said:
ps9 said:
Looks like no Avalon hybrid for me.. most inventories are gone except for Longo and they refuse to go below 85% of MSRP.  I underestimated the appeal of the mass market for hybrid cars.  My current Avalon is around 75% of MSRP (a great deal in hindsight).  With gas savings of around $600/year, break even for going hybrid is around 3-3.5 years.  I think I can get a better deal targeting the non-hybrids... hmmm

Also just found out the new Avalon starting in '13 is no longer a 'full size sedan' but now mid-size.  I'll loose about 0.5 inches of headroom by going from my '11 to '14.  Might as well go for an Accord or Camry.
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does "75% of MSRP" include sales tax, license registration or etc?
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Nope, TTL or tax,title, license are applied after the agreed upon price.  ALso tax is based on the pre-rebate/cashback price, if there is any.  You can haggle with OTD (out the door) price which will include TTL but that tends to make a deal more confusing.  TTL does not change and should be consistent from dealer to dealer.  Doc fees are usually $50.  Also sales tax is based on your county of registration, so even if you buy in Pico Rivera (10% tax!), you still get charged OC's 8%.
 
jmoney74 said:
What's the delta?  Toyota is closing the price gap on these hybrid cars relative to non hybrid. 
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Of the 3 dealers that gave me an offer and willing to haggle, the lowest was around 84% of MSRP for the Hybrid.  Thats after some haggling.  Started to get offers for non-Hybrid's with starting price at 84% MSRP.  So might get a better deal with non-Hybrids
 
$47,960 MSRP

$43,049 selling price
$80 document fee
$3,450.32 taxes
$419.75 registration and fees

$46,999.07 total out the door cost
 
yaliu07 said:
$47,960 MSRP

$43,049 selling price
$80 document fee
$3,450.32 taxes
$419.75 registration and fees

$46,999.07 total out the door cost
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What did you buy?  You're at 89.7% of MSRP, lose about $3-4000 depreciation hit as you drive away.  But gotta love that new smell!
 
ps9 said:
yaliu07 said:
$47,960 MSRP

$43,049 selling price
$80 document fee
$3,450.32 taxes
$419.75 registration and fees

$46,999.07 total out the door cost
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What did you buy?  You're at 89.7% of MSRP, lose about $3-4000 depreciation hit as you drive away.  But gotta love that new smell!
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contacted about 5-6 dealers.  eventually only one is still willing to talk to me.  others wont even match or beat this price.
 
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