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The government has no business in trying to clean the air we breathe, nor in increasing energy efficiency and lessening our dependence on fossil fuels! Get off my lawn!
USA! USA! USA!
VW's chairman blamed the emissions scandal on a group of engineers who decided to cheat on the emissions test, because they couldn't find a timely and cost effective solution. The EPA had cut the nitrogen oxide emission cap from 1.15 gram per mile to 0.076 grams per mile in 2005.
Competitors from Japan and Korea went back to the drawing board to redesign their diesel engines. For example Mazda's CX-5 diesel, Hyundai's 2.2 liter CRDi turbo-diesel for the Santa Fe, Honda's i-DTEC and i-CTDi diesel engines.
But not VW. With competitors out of the way for few years they decided to install cheat software from Robert Bosch GmbH, and cash in by selling 11 million new model diesel cars under VW, Audi, and Skoda brands.
Was it just a small group of engineers and managers who decided to cheat and look the other way? Or were they made the fall guy? I have no idea. But it certainly isn't impossible to meet the new emission standards, if they were willing to take the time and go back to the drawing board like their competitors did.
But what about what's happening outside of liberal California? Populism is sweeping across the western world. Trump is part of a worldwide phenomenon. Alternative for Germany (AfD). The League of Italy. Brexit. The establishment is under assault all over the Western world. The Deplorables are on the march all over the world!
And the with advent of the internet, like minded Deplorables in different countries can easily connect with each other, cooperate and share strategies, and influence each other's politics.
Racism and anti-immigrant sentiment has worked for centuries, and still does, very well.
Assuming for the sake of argument that it is "racist" to demand limits on the admission of migrants. Is it ok for the state to ignore the concerns of the majoritiy of its citizens on the basis that those concerns are "racist?" What is more important, democracy or no racism?
Fair questions. We (the US) should identify how many legal migrants we want, and the percentage of skill level within this group we desire. We should patrol our borders and prevent illegal immigration. We should criminally punish employers for employing illegal immigrants.
We can do all of this without the racist comments Trump makes routinely on this subject and many others. His purpose is to excite his base. It works.
Being racist and making racist comments isn't illegal. Trump and his enthusiasts, apologists, and enablers just need to own it.
Democrats are often their worst enemy. Defending illegal immigrants daily, especially sanctuary cities, is a losing political argument. Support the Dreamers and denounce family separation, but beyond that, they should just be pushing for a reasonable immigration bill.
Don't forget when arguing "the majority of citizens," that ~3 million more folks voted for Clinton, than Trump. The Electoral College, a vestige of slavery, gave us Trump.
My comment about the disconnect between the majority of citizens and their government regarding migrants refers to European countries like UK, Spain, Italy. I don't think most Americans even have an opinion about migrants and refugees since we allow so few of them, even before Trump.
Good choice of publication
BTW I couldn?t help but laugh when I saw ?both - sideism ? compapring New York Times with Drudge Report : )
Another practical test to cut through all this BS ? if you have high school kids undergoing college counseling , what publication are they recommend to read ? Drudge ? Or NYT ? yes , you have your answer.
Or better still , give me one example of in depth reporting backed by evidence and research published by any of these right wing nutjob sites ? you know , Just one ...
Perspective
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eyephone said:
The government has no business in trying to clean the air we breathe, nor in increasing energy efficiency and lessening our dependence on fossil fuels! Get off my lawn!
USA! USA! USA!
Perspective: Good point, who doesn?t want clean air?
The world saw the effect of pollution with China. Thick smoke of pollution etc..
You know the masks pics that Belly previously posted and other TI members in other threads. It?s because of the pollution.
Now there are efforts to curb the pollution.
The world saw the effect of pollution with China. Thick smoke of pollution etc..
You know the masks pics that Belly previously posted and other TI members in other threads. It?s because of the pollution.
Now there are efforts to curb the pollution.
morekaos
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Why do you have to always take it to the extreme? No one said the government has NO place at the table. Just be reasonable with your goals. Emission goals set in stone for the diesel engine market were pure fantasy. The technology just was not there so in order to sell any vehicles they found a creative way around the standards. It was more of a business calculation. Not endorsing it but also not surprised by it either. Should there be some standards?, sure, but lets keep them reasonable and attainable. We can strike a balance.
Perspective
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My post was clearly satire, and proves a point. I'd be willing to bet 70% of Trump's base would support those arguments though. That same percentage thinks Obama's a Kenyan-born Muslim.
momopi
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morekaos said:
VW's chairman blamed the emissions scandal on a group of engineers who decided to cheat on the emissions test, because they couldn't find a timely and cost effective solution. The EPA had cut the nitrogen oxide emission cap from 1.15 gram per mile to 0.076 grams per mile in 2005.
Competitors from Japan and Korea went back to the drawing board to redesign their diesel engines. For example Mazda's CX-5 diesel, Hyundai's 2.2 liter CRDi turbo-diesel for the Santa Fe, Honda's i-DTEC and i-CTDi diesel engines.
But not VW. With competitors out of the way for few years they decided to install cheat software from Robert Bosch GmbH, and cash in by selling 11 million new model diesel cars under VW, Audi, and Skoda brands.
Was it just a small group of engineers and managers who decided to cheat and look the other way? Or were they made the fall guy? I have no idea. But it certainly isn't impossible to meet the new emission standards, if they were willing to take the time and go back to the drawing board like their competitors did.
morekaos
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They all cheated
Lawsuit Claims GM Used Defeat Devices On Duramax Diesel Trucks And SUVs
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/26/530221853/lawsuit-claims-gm-used-defeat-devices-on-duramax-diesel-trucks-and-suvs
DIESEL CARS MADE BY MERCEDES-BENZ, HONDA, MAZDA AND MITSUBISHI ALSO POLLUTE MORE THAN EMISSIONS, TESTS REVEALED
https://www.newsweek.com/mercedes-benz-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-tests-381636
Lawsuit Claims GM Used Defeat Devices On Duramax Diesel Trucks And SUVs
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/26/530221853/lawsuit-claims-gm-used-defeat-devices-on-duramax-diesel-trucks-and-suvs
DIESEL CARS MADE BY MERCEDES-BENZ, HONDA, MAZDA AND MITSUBISHI ALSO POLLUTE MORE THAN EMISSIONS, TESTS REVEALED
https://www.newsweek.com/mercedes-benz-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-tests-381636
fortune11 said:
But what about what's happening outside of liberal California? Populism is sweeping across the western world. Trump is part of a worldwide phenomenon. Alternative for Germany (AfD). The League of Italy. Brexit. The establishment is under assault all over the Western world. The Deplorables are on the march all over the world!
And the with advent of the internet, like minded Deplorables in different countries can easily connect with each other, cooperate and share strategies, and influence each other's politics.
Perspective
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Happiness said:
Racism and anti-immigrant sentiment has worked for centuries, and still does, very well.
Perspective
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I don't follow anyone in the Freedom Caucus. Is anyone complaining about this? Where's the outrage? I thought increased growth would allow tax cuts to pay for themselves? When? Soon?
Debt-laden US government is expanding the size of Treasury bond auctions to fund itself
All that debt piling up in the government's coffers is going to require the Treasury Department to get more creative in figuring out how to finance it.
As a result, the department said Wednesday it needs to sell an additional $30 billion worth of bonds in the second quarter and is adding a two-month note to the offering of debt securities. That compares to a $27 billion increase for the first quarter.
In its quarterly refunding statement, the Treasury said it will be adding another $1 billion a month to each of the auctions for two-, three- and five-year notes over the next three months. On top of that, it will increase the auction size for the seven- and 10-year notes and the 30-year bond by $1 billion for the August sales.
The moves come as the government is looking for the best ways to handle a budget deficit expected to eclipse $1 trillion in the next two years. The national debt is at $21.3 trillion, having risen about $800 billion in 2018. ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/deb...panding-the-size-of-treasury-bond-auctio.html
Debt-laden US government is expanding the size of Treasury bond auctions to fund itself
All that debt piling up in the government's coffers is going to require the Treasury Department to get more creative in figuring out how to finance it.
As a result, the department said Wednesday it needs to sell an additional $30 billion worth of bonds in the second quarter and is adding a two-month note to the offering of debt securities. That compares to a $27 billion increase for the first quarter.
In its quarterly refunding statement, the Treasury said it will be adding another $1 billion a month to each of the auctions for two-, three- and five-year notes over the next three months. On top of that, it will increase the auction size for the seven- and 10-year notes and the 30-year bond by $1 billion for the August sales.
The moves come as the government is looking for the best ways to handle a budget deficit expected to eclipse $1 trillion in the next two years. The national debt is at $21.3 trillion, having risen about $800 billion in 2018. ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/deb...panding-the-size-of-treasury-bond-auctio.html
Perspective said:
Assuming for the sake of argument that it is "racist" to demand limits on the admission of migrants. Is it ok for the state to ignore the concerns of the majoritiy of its citizens on the basis that those concerns are "racist?" What is more important, democracy or no racism?
Perspective
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Happiness said:
Fair questions. We (the US) should identify how many legal migrants we want, and the percentage of skill level within this group we desire. We should patrol our borders and prevent illegal immigration. We should criminally punish employers for employing illegal immigrants.
We can do all of this without the racist comments Trump makes routinely on this subject and many others. His purpose is to excite his base. It works.
Being racist and making racist comments isn't illegal. Trump and his enthusiasts, apologists, and enablers just need to own it.
Democrats are often their worst enemy. Defending illegal immigrants daily, especially sanctuary cities, is a losing political argument. Support the Dreamers and denounce family separation, but beyond that, they should just be pushing for a reasonable immigration bill.
Don't forget when arguing "the majority of citizens," that ~3 million more folks voted for Clinton, than Trump. The Electoral College, a vestige of slavery, gave us Trump.
Perspective said:
My comment about the disconnect between the majority of citizens and their government regarding migrants refers to European countries like UK, Spain, Italy. I don't think most Americans even have an opinion about migrants and refugees since we allow so few of them, even before Trump.
For the 100th time ,
US is not like Europe
We don?t let in 1mm refugees from one country within a few years like Germany did and Merkel paid the prIce
Legal immigration is extremely difficult process w heavy vetting - even for asylum seekers
Trump and his deplorables are trying to create an issue where there is none
And you wonder why ? Here is why ? Trump is the embodiment of the culture-wars-for-the-poor, tax-cuts-for-the-rich approach to politics.
US is not like Europe
We don?t let in 1mm refugees from one country within a few years like Germany did and Merkel paid the prIce
Legal immigration is extremely difficult process w heavy vetting - even for asylum seekers
Trump and his deplorables are trying to create an issue where there is none
And you wonder why ? Here is why ? Trump is the embodiment of the culture-wars-for-the-poor, tax-cuts-for-the-rich approach to politics.
Perspective said:
Good choice of publication
BTW I couldn?t help but laugh when I saw ?both - sideism ? compapring New York Times with Drudge Report : )
Another practical test to cut through all this BS ? if you have high school kids undergoing college counseling , what publication are they recommend to read ? Drudge ? Or NYT ? yes , you have your answer.
Or better still , give me one example of in depth reporting backed by evidence and research published by any of these right wing nutjob sites ? you know , Just one ...