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It would be epic for the Celts to give up a ton for PG13, only to see him walk at the end of next season to the Lakers. This is the preferred scenario!
Dude he might stay. Laker fans too confident right now. Goes to Boston and makes all NBA. He won't walk away from extra 50M.
I think Hart is a 2. Just need PG now!
Thinking back when kobe wanted the trade. We wanted to gut the bulls but they didn't want to give up Deng. We said fine... Made kobe just play it out. If I were the pacers, I wouldn't do a thing. That's just me.
I think LBJ would rather go to CLIPs than Lakers.. because of Jerry West and the fact that he can make something of the clips. I don't want Westbrook here.
I don't think PG would hinder INgram's development.. since PG is a #2 type guy anyway. Plus, we have ball running the show now.
Even if they don't play the same position, there is only ONE ball (well... not counting Lonzo), so PG will take stats away from Ingram.
It's called The Kobe Effect, unless PG is going to defer, Ingram can't become an offensive weapon. This is why KD left Westbrook... and why he can play with Steph.
I wouldn't get too worried about all that stuff IMO. Westbrook is a whole different level of ball dominating. check out his usage % this year. Westbrook vs steph is like world's apart. From everything we've seen last year, ingram LOVEs to set up guys and is a willing passer. He only started scoring more at the end of the season since our coaching wanted him to become more aggressive and pass a bit less. I think we'll have no problem with PG on the time. He's a willing passer as well, he's a bit of a point forward I think.
The whole game plan (from what I understand) is Magic/Luke really wants to run this warriors offense and it's evident from the trades/picks they made. It's all about finding guys that fit and know their role. Russell didn't fit because he wasn't able to orchestrate the offense and push the ball up for fast breaks (check out the finals and how many fast breaks the warriors had all playoff long)...DLO, maybe due to lack of foot speed, usually played in the half court and made some questionable passes as a PG. he was becoming a pretty good scorer as a SG but became turnover prone when he had to playmake for others.
Warriors philosophy is to push tempo and have shooters/defenders everywhere and make the extra pass. They draft Lonzo as the center piece of the engine and to play make for others (our steph curry...obviously not the shooter he is but the warriors are a different team when he's off the court)... They draft consecutive Kuzma and josh hart (2 players who are known defenders with offensive upside who aren't freshman and more nba ready). Those guys remind me a bit of a larry nance with maybe better outside shooting out of the gate, essentially fitting the warriors "positionless" players with length and can play defense and make the open 3. Warriors consistently play these type of players with their starters (iguodala, klay, mccaw, Livingston, mcado, looney, and newly drafted Jordan bell) then draft Bryant for length and potential defense at the rim (their zaza/McGee or even draymond if he loses weight) but also has nice shooting touch. Bryant shot quite well from 3 so he's being aimed at a potential stretch 5 for them. I think they actually liked brook lopez the player as much as they liked his contract. He'll be good for pick and pop with Ball.
If Ball truly is Jason Kidd level playmaker and his stats are around 14/7 assists or better on good shooting percentages...we really might see his impact on the win/loss and winning 40 games might be possible. He would have to just kill it on the floor. I'm cautiously optimistic about him. If we make the playoffs in his year one like Lavar ball predicted, Laker land is going to explode!!
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jmoney74
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Pacers and Celtics talking George. It's like KG all-over again. Former Celtics screwing Lakers.
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The rivalry is real. Watch they get pg for crumbs.
Perspective
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jmoney74 said:
It would be epic for the Celts to give up a ton for PG13, only to see him walk at the end of next season to the Lakers. This is the preferred scenario!
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Perspective said:
Dude he might stay. Laker fans too confident right now. Goes to Boston and makes all NBA. He won't walk away from extra 50M.
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Talks have stalled for now.
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good draft
Perspective
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It'll be fun watching the young Lakers runnin' like the Showtime era, with Ball orchestrating everything. Ball can't be any worse than DLo was on D. Nick Young opted-out, so the starting Laker backcourt will be new. I wonder if they think Josh Hart can play the 2. Hart seems like one of those solid Spur-type picks.
Kuzma was much higher on some mocks. Might be a good value pick. I was hoping for Jordan Bell, but the Warriors jumped on him. Bell seems like a better version of Tarik Black.
In any event, the big deal is Ball at # 2. He'll make every Laker's life so much easier. They'll love him. I remember Josh Jackson winning the McDonald's All American MVP, and giving all of the credit to Ball for his insane passing. It'll be exciting basketball, if nothing else.
Kuzma was much higher on some mocks. Might be a good value pick. I was hoping for Jordan Bell, but the Warriors jumped on him. Bell seems like a better version of Tarik Black.
In any event, the big deal is Ball at # 2. He'll make every Laker's life so much easier. They'll love him. I remember Josh Jackson winning the McDonald's All American MVP, and giving all of the credit to Ball for his insane passing. It'll be exciting basketball, if nothing else.
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Perspective said:
I think Hart is a 2. Just need PG now!
Perspective
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It's hard to imagine the Lakers having the assets, with which they're willing to part, to trade for PG13, considering they've reportedly declined offers featuring Kevin Love and LeMarcus Aldridge. Love is a legit All Star and in his prime.
I get the disinterest in Aldridge at 32. He's perpetually disgruntled, on the downside of his career arc, shoots primarily low-value mid-range 2s, and isn't an effective rim protector. He can also opt-out of his contract after next season.
Maybe they're holding out for Ball and think the Lakers will fold? This becomes less likely by the day, as Ball begins training with the Lakers, if it were remotely on the table pre-draft.
The Bulls got some spare change for Butler, and his contract extends beyond next season! This must make the low-ball offers for PG13 seem more palatable to the Pacers.
I get the disinterest in Aldridge at 32. He's perpetually disgruntled, on the downside of his career arc, shoots primarily low-value mid-range 2s, and isn't an effective rim protector. He can also opt-out of his contract after next season.
Maybe they're holding out for Ball and think the Lakers will fold? This becomes less likely by the day, as Ball begins training with the Lakers, if it were remotely on the table pre-draft.
The Bulls got some spare change for Butler, and his contract extends beyond next season! This must make the low-ball offers for PG13 seem more palatable to the Pacers.
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jmoney74
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Perspective said:
Thinking back when kobe wanted the trade. We wanted to gut the bulls but they didn't want to give up Deng. We said fine... Made kobe just play it out. If I were the pacers, I wouldn't do a thing. That's just me.
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jmoney74
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Not sure if legit but ESPN got word from a Boston sports outlet that Celtics closer on pg deal with extension in place. If true this is why you can't be too confident pg is coming no matter what.
irvinehomeowner
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I would put Clarkson at the starting 2. Josh Hart needs time to develop.
Ball - Clarkson - Ingram - Randle - Lopez
The one thing about PG13 to the Lakers is that you may stymie Ingram's development. You would have to move on one of them to the 2.
Ball - Clarkson - Ingram - Randle - Lopez
The one thing about PG13 to the Lakers is that you may stymie Ingram's development. You would have to move on one of them to the 2.
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eyephone said:
I think LBJ would rather go to CLIPs than Lakers.. because of Jerry West and the fact that he can make something of the clips. I don't want Westbrook here.
I don't think PG would hinder INgram's development.. since PG is a #2 type guy anyway. Plus, we have ball running the show now.
irvinehomeowner
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jmoney74 said:
Even if they don't play the same position, there is only ONE ball (well... not counting Lonzo), so PG will take stats away from Ingram.
It's called The Kobe Effect, unless PG is going to defer, Ingram can't become an offensive weapon. This is why KD left Westbrook... and why he can play with Steph.
SoclosetoIrvine
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irvinehomeowner said:
I wouldn't get too worried about all that stuff IMO. Westbrook is a whole different level of ball dominating. check out his usage % this year. Westbrook vs steph is like world's apart. From everything we've seen last year, ingram LOVEs to set up guys and is a willing passer. He only started scoring more at the end of the season since our coaching wanted him to become more aggressive and pass a bit less. I think we'll have no problem with PG on the time. He's a willing passer as well, he's a bit of a point forward I think.
The whole game plan (from what I understand) is Magic/Luke really wants to run this warriors offense and it's evident from the trades/picks they made. It's all about finding guys that fit and know their role. Russell didn't fit because he wasn't able to orchestrate the offense and push the ball up for fast breaks (check out the finals and how many fast breaks the warriors had all playoff long)...DLO, maybe due to lack of foot speed, usually played in the half court and made some questionable passes as a PG. he was becoming a pretty good scorer as a SG but became turnover prone when he had to playmake for others.
Warriors philosophy is to push tempo and have shooters/defenders everywhere and make the extra pass. They draft Lonzo as the center piece of the engine and to play make for others (our steph curry...obviously not the shooter he is but the warriors are a different team when he's off the court)... They draft consecutive Kuzma and josh hart (2 players who are known defenders with offensive upside who aren't freshman and more nba ready). Those guys remind me a bit of a larry nance with maybe better outside shooting out of the gate, essentially fitting the warriors "positionless" players with length and can play defense and make the open 3. Warriors consistently play these type of players with their starters (iguodala, klay, mccaw, Livingston, mcado, looney, and newly drafted Jordan bell) then draft Bryant for length and potential defense at the rim (their zaza/McGee or even draymond if he loses weight) but also has nice shooting touch. Bryant shot quite well from 3 so he's being aimed at a potential stretch 5 for them. I think they actually liked brook lopez the player as much as they liked his contract. He'll be good for pick and pop with Ball.
If Ball truly is Jason Kidd level playmaker and his stats are around 14/7 assists or better on good shooting percentages...we really might see his impact on the win/loss and winning 40 games might be possible. He would have to just kill it on the floor. I'm cautiously optimistic about him. If we make the playoffs in his year one like Lavar ball predicted, Laker land is going to explode!!
J
jmoney74
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irvinehomeowner said: