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eyephone said:
bones said:
eyephone said:
bones said:
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.

I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?

Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
 
bones said:
eyephone said:
bones said:
eyephone said:
bones said:
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.

I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?

Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
Btw - the nba is considering changing the nba draft because of their philosophy. #teamtankdoesntwork
 
qwerty said:
Kobe will play 20 games tops. Dead man walking.

Haha. I know. But who knows, he might surprise everyone and come back to play a bulk of the season. Lakers lose their draft pick. Kobe decides he wants to hang around for another year or two scaring off more FAs in 2016 and beyond.  Yaliu- that's your nightmare.  Not the cemetery :)
 
eyephone said:
bones said:
eyephone said:
bones said:
eyephone said:
bones said:
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings?  They're not gonna spend on analytics.

Since you seem like a 76ers fan, maybe you can explain why they drafted three centers in a row.

I have no affinity towards any NBA team.  I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics.  The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.

Are analytics overrated or underrated?  I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care.  So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.

So how does 76ers analyzing the following help: what they eat, what they drink, how they sleep?

Well, at least the 76ers have a rebuilding plan - i.e. tank and build for the future via draft.  What's the Laker strategy?  Whiff at free agents and then try to tank to get a top 3 (protected) pick?  Oh but wait, they have Kobe on their team who, if on the floor, doesn't believe in tanking.  And again, I'm not a 76ers fan.  I just mentioned them ONCE b/c they were mentioned earlier in this thread as a analytics believer.  Stop trolling me.
Btw - the nba is considering changing the nba draft because of their philosophy. #teamtankdoesntwork

No you're right. The NBA should do as the European soccer league does. Relegation.  See ya lakers :)
 
qwerty said:
We will see how effective the Spurs analytics are when Duncan retires and popovich follows him out of the door. You can attribute the Spurs winning to David Robinson getting hurt and the Spurs getting Duncan. Pop isn't stupid. He know when Duncan retires he needs to go with him or pops legacy will be tarnished when he starts losing without Duncan

Didn't Pop draft manu with a 50+ pick and Parker in the late late first round?  I guess thats just all luck.
 
The lakers drafted Marc gasol 48 in 2007. He is just as good as Parker or ginobli.  Except the lakers traded him for pau and got two titles. Everybody gets lucky.
 
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.
 
qwerty said:
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.

Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?
http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 
 
With no centers left, are there tryouts now?
Or how about that tall Chinese guy from rush hour 3
So sad
 
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?

bones said:
qwerty said:
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.

Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?
http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 
 
Lakers are pursing the top FAs and ignoring the 2nd tier. Knicks are more realistic.

Once Lamarcus signs with Spurs, I believe Mitch will go after 1 year rentals (see Boozer/Lin last year); reclamation projects like Nene, David Lee or Hibbert. Perhaps sign Rondo to 1 year deal as well.
 
yaliu07 said:
@IHO, go try out for lakers center position.

as lakers center,
rebound - if you are under the rim and no one else is around you, grab the rebound.
if you are the under the rim and your teammate is around you, let your teammate grab the rebound
if you are the under the rim and your opponent is around you, pretend you try to grab the rebound and let your opponent grab the rebound

offense - if you have the ball and the clock is more than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.
if you have the ball and the clock is LESS than 5 second.  dont shoot and pass the ball to kobe.

Hack - if you see duncan, howard, AI and etc.  hack them.  everyone else, DONT DO IT.

block -  skip this section because it does NOT apply to you.

charge - if you see someone running at you with full speed, TAKE the CHARGE.  me, J$, qwerty will LOVE to see what will happen.  look at other side, your salary will be over ONE MILLION DOLLAR.  :) :) :)

no worry, we still have IHO...
 
eyephone said:
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.

prediction: lakers will NOT make to playoff.  does lakers have any draft pick next year? 
 
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