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Analytics is changing FOs and talent drafting...in a league with slary caps, it is very important to figure where and who to invest in and who you can pick up on the cheap. Warriors built a 10 man playing rotation and avoided their stars from being overworked. It's the present and future...thise who ignore analytics will be left in the dust.
Yes talent is important but the question is who you acquire such talent with limited resources. Plenty of people mocked (and still mock) analytics in baseball...they are the ones who don't get how analytics can make teams that much better
Thise owners are bringing in new ways of thinking and analysis while the Lakers are stuck in "We are LA and everyone wants to come here" mentality.
Lakers picks better pan out or else it's going to be a long rebuilding process.
True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)
It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.
What do youguys think analytics is used for? It is to acquire goood coaches and talent.
That's why the lakers overpay Bryon Scott $4.2m a year to not use analytics
I have no affinity towards any NBA team. I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics. The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.
Are analytics overrated or underrated? I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care. So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.
irvinehomeowner
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I think analytics are more useful in sports like baseball (ie Moneyball) where there are so many variables and positions that aren't as directly related to winning.
Basketball out of the big 3 (4 if you count hockey) has the least number of players on the court/field so talent has a larger impact. You can have 2 or 3 really good players and that makes a winning team, but in baseball if you have the 2 best outfielders... not that much.... or in football, the best kicker and center but those aren't key positions.
This doesn't mean that analytics is not important in basketball, but you do have to combine that with the talent factor. I don't think anyone is going to claim that analytics produced Duncan or now Kawhi... and no stats junkie predicted Draymond Green.
Even in fantasy basketball, everyone tries to do moneyball or sabremetrics in Auction drafts but in the end, it's the team with the stars that usually wins.
Basketball out of the big 3 (4 if you count hockey) has the least number of players on the court/field so talent has a larger impact. You can have 2 or 3 really good players and that makes a winning team, but in baseball if you have the 2 best outfielders... not that much.... or in football, the best kicker and center but those aren't key positions.
This doesn't mean that analytics is not important in basketball, but you do have to combine that with the talent factor. I don't think anyone is going to claim that analytics produced Duncan or now Kawhi... and no stats junkie predicted Draymond Green.
Even in fantasy basketball, everyone tries to do moneyball or sabremetrics in Auction drafts but in the end, it's the team with the stars that usually wins.
The other thing to consider is who are these owners. 76ers owner is in PE, Harvard grad. Of course he's a numbers guy. That's the new trend nowadays. The new wave of sports owners are all rich in stuff OUTSIDE of sports. Sport team ownership is almost like a toy/hobby to them. Then you have the Buss family. Basically the lakers are their only source of income and the team is used to pay the Buss' bills and lavish lifestyles. Aren't there multiple siblings? They're not gonna spend on analytics.
Irvinecommuter
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irvinehomeowner said:
Analytics is changing FOs and talent drafting...in a league with slary caps, it is very important to figure where and who to invest in and who you can pick up on the cheap. Warriors built a 10 man playing rotation and avoided their stars from being overworked. It's the present and future...thise who ignore analytics will be left in the dust.
Yes talent is important but the question is who you acquire such talent with limited resources. Plenty of people mocked (and still mock) analytics in baseball...they are the ones who don't get how analytics can make teams that much better
Irvinecommuter
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bones said:
Thise owners are bringing in new ways of thinking and analysis while the Lakers are stuck in "We are LA and everyone wants to come here" mentality.
Lakers picks better pan out or else it's going to be a long rebuilding process.
qwerty said:@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers?
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)
It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.
Irvinecommuter
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eyephone said:qwerty said:@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers?
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)
It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.
What do youguys think analytics is used for? It is to acquire goood coaches and talent.
Irvinecommuter said:eyephone said:qwerty said:@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers?
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
True that. If you don't have talent and a good coach, you can't win. (Throw in a good management team)
It's like the Raiders using analytics, they will still fall short.
What do youguys think analytics is used for? It is to acquire goood coaches and talent.
That's why the lakers overpay Bryon Scott $4.2m a year to not use analytics
eyephone said:
I have no affinity towards any NBA team. I used the 76ers as an example b/c they're one of the top 4 or 5 teams that are true believers of analytics. The others are Mavs (Cuban), the Rockets (owner is/was a bond trader who then hired Morey) & the Spurs.
Are analytics overrated or underrated? I don't know the answer to that, but LA apparently was underwhelmed by the lack of analytics on the basketball side during his Laker meeting, so obviously FAs care. So maybe the lakers should just pretend they give a shit about it.
qwerty
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The rockets and their nerd GM are big into analytics. When did they become contenders, when they got howard and the beard. Did analytics tell them to go get those two? Give me a break. Stevie wonder could have told them harden and Howard would make them better.
U use analytics when u don't have talent to try to find some crown jewel in the garbage. How often does that work out? As other have said, analytics could be helpful but without talent analytics will not do you any good.
U use analytics when u don't have talent to try to find some crown jewel in the garbage. How often does that work out? As other have said, analytics could be helpful but without talent analytics will not do you any good.
qwerty
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Analytics will trick u into believing certain players are better than they just like when receivers play with Brady. It is the Lebron/shaq effect. Their games make their team mates much better, probably improve their efficiency ratio then they get a nice contract somewhere else then they can't play.
qwerty
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We will see how effective the Spurs analytics are when Duncan retires and popovich follows him out of the door. You can attribute the Spurs winning to David Robinson getting hurt and the Spurs getting Duncan. Pop isn't stupid. He know when Duncan retires he needs to go with him or pops legacy will be tarnished when he starts losing without Duncan