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qwerty said:
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?
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The eye test.
Using the eye test, you can see & name the 10 best players in the NBA.  But with salary cap, luxury tax, etc, etc, in order to win championships, you need depth.  IMO, that's where analytics come into play the most.  Spurs do a good job finding players that are other teams castoffs.  Boris Diaw comes to mind.  I'm not saying analytics is the end all be all, bc let's be honest, lack of analytics ain't the reason the Lakers are in their predicament now.  They have many issues: ownership, Kobe, coach, etc.
 
yaliu07 said:
irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Dandre Jordan going to the Mavs.....


Sorry IHO, also sorry Lakers nation 
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Lakers are in worse position than the Clips... or the Knicks.

Prediction: Clips will still make the playoffs, unless the Lakers sign Aldridge, probably not... and the Knicks should only because in the East you can suck and still be in the post season.
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prediction: lakers will NOT make to playoff.  does lakers have any draft pick next year? 
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Come on Yal, do your homework ;)

No Credits but there are debits (yay accounting!):

2016 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Philadelphia (via Phoenix) protected for selections 1-3 in 2016 and 1-3 in 2017 and unprotected in 2018 [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

2018 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Phoenix, 7/11/2012; L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012; Milwaukee-Philadelphia-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
 
Dj should of stayed with the Clips.

Parsons had micro fracture surgery last year. Mathews tire his ACL last year. Dirk is old. Mavs have NO good POINT GUARD.

The Clips have: CP3, Blake, Pierce, Jamal, Redick, Lance, and Doc as Coach.

This is one of the worst FA decision this year.
 
qwerty said:
The opposite is also true. When u try to attribute all good players and winning to analytics.  All I know is I don't need analytics to tell you the 10 best players in the nba. And I don't need analytics to tell me if you have talent you win titles. Scouting has been around forever. If that is analytics then what is old school?

bones said:
qwerty said:
And ginobli was already a pro when he got drafted and didn't come to the nba for several more years. They had already SEEN him play, that wasn't analytics. I will give The Spurs credit for having good foreign scouts. That was a good strategy to take foreign players with late picks, let them develop overseas and bring them over when ready.
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Like IC already asked - what do you guys think analytics is?
http://www.hoopsthink.com/what-basketball-analytics-means/

What do you think happens after those foreign scouts come back?  Do you think that one scout who saw him made that pick all by himself or do you think the Spurs analyzed his play and compared him to the hundreds of other players in Europe?  Sure, maybe it was pure random dumb luck but if that's your way of explaining how everything in sports work, then this conversation is moot and pointless. 
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That's one of the misnomers about analytics.  No one talks about replacing scouting or "old school".  Analytics are meant to be a different way of thinking and more tools to use.  If you just employ scouting and old school techniques, you are at a disadvantage to those who use those techniques and analytics.  You are basically bringing a knife to a gun fight.
 
What will be interesting is who will get a better starting center first, Lakers or Clippers?

Maybe Doc should not have let Hawes go... and please don't tell me Big Baby is the answer.
 
eyephone said:
Rondo off the table for Lakers. Rondo goes to Kings for one year $10 mil. (Too high)
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One year deals are no biggie if you have the cap space and no one to spend it on.  Miami's deal with Wade is the same...no one going to Miami this year so spending it on a thank you/PR contract is fine.
 
Tobias Harris is off the table for the Lakers, just signed with the Magic.

Derrick Williams signs with the Knicks 2 year $10mil. Another player that could have gone to the Lakers. (Sf position)


FA update count:
Knicks 3 - Lakers 0
 
Derrick Williams is a decent player.

Why doesn't anyone want to play on the Lakers? If I was Aldridge I would sign with them just to shut everyone up.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Derrick Williams is a decent player.

Why doesn't anyone want to play on the Lakers? If I was Aldridge I would sign with them just to shut everyone up.
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Because a lot of veterans want a chance to win a title.
 
told you guys. after the Lakers got struck out of all the top FAs, they would go for 1 year rentals. Last year it was Lin for ticket sales, this year it actually makes more basketball sense to get a rim protector/reclamation project in Hibbert. It was either Hibbert, Nene or David Lee. and Hibbert is the better rim protector among the 3 and a true center.

They still need depth in the front court. Tarik Black or Sacre as the back up center makes me cringe. Back up PF is Kelly or Larry Nance Jr. LOL....don't tell me they bring back Jordan Hill or Boozer...

Wonder if they can get K.J McDaniels; young SF who is scrappy on D and can make 3's.
 
yaliu07 said:
interesting, they borrowed JLin for 14 mil last year and Roy H for 15 mil this year..  :(
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But wait there's more regarding the trade, there is a 15% trade kicker which is $2.3 mil.

(Rumor of what the Lakers might send) The Lakers might send a couple of 2nd round pick(s) and a euro player. Maybe Lakers get another player from the Pacers. (Both sides are still agreeing on other parts of the trade)

I think the Pacers should send a pick to the Lakers for a salary dump. Looks like the Lakers got scammed, again. Lol
 
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