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Its crazy. Why such a hot topic this year? Just funny how the media spins things.
We had a great run. Im good with rewarding kobe. We will move on.
That's a complete oversimplification of analytics...Warriors, SA, Trailblazers, and many top teams heavily employ analytics.
Baseball was the first spoert to embrace analytics and it's an indispensable part of just about every front office.
Barkley also said that a jumpshooting team like the Warriors can't win a championship.
Analytics is not a magic potion and not used to the same effects by every team. Analytics play a big part in drafting players and finding bargain players. It is not a coincidence that SA keep finding great players in the draft or pick up the right FAs
Lakers would be helped if they used analytics.
You sound like the old school scouts in Moneyball.
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jmoney74
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eyephone said:
Its crazy. Why such a hot topic this year? Just funny how the media spins things.
qwerty
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It's basketball you can see with your eyes who can play or can't. I just heard Brian windhorst yesterday mention how Lebron used analytics to stop taking long 2 point shots. My favorite college hoops team is Kentucky, I started watching them when Jamal mashburn played for them. I was about 14 years old and Kentucky was already launching threes back in the day. It drove me nuts to see Kentucky players take a two point shot just inches inside the three point line. I was 14 and didn't analytics to tell me the long 2 is a horrible shot. Same thing with the effective shooting %, I've been doing that math since I was a little kid because it's obvious. These teams hire Ivy League nerds who don't know shit about sports and try to use the data to win?
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.
Like Charles Barkley said, the analytics guys are the nerds who couldn't get a date in high school.
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jmoney74
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bones said:
We had a great run. Im good with rewarding kobe. We will move on.
irvinehomeowner
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You know what's crazy to me is the overpay excuse I always hear is that the Lakers need to continue to sell tickets and merchandise and that's what Kobe does for them.
Uh... Kobe hasn't played in two full seasons yet ratings, tickets sales, and merchandise sales are still high (although they broke their sellout streak at Staples). Even when the Lakers are losing, they are still highly followed. I understand the loyalty thing but I would have made the hard decision of just paying him at his value and if he bolts, he bolts. Instead, not only did the Lakers overpay, but they didn't even get 82 games out of him... and they can't get any good free agents because of his contract and his saltiness.
Lakers could have rebuilt more quickly, but instead it gets delayed for 2 years and $50m... bleh.
Uh... Kobe hasn't played in two full seasons yet ratings, tickets sales, and merchandise sales are still high (although they broke their sellout streak at Staples). Even when the Lakers are losing, they are still highly followed. I understand the loyalty thing but I would have made the hard decision of just paying him at his value and if he bolts, he bolts. Instead, not only did the Lakers overpay, but they didn't even get 82 games out of him... and they can't get any good free agents because of his contract and his saltiness.
Lakers could have rebuilt more quickly, but instead it gets delayed for 2 years and $50m... bleh.
The Motor Court Company
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$20 mill for 1 year is a great deal. basically rewarding your best franchise player ever, holding the cap space for 2016.
Kobe's $25+ mill per year contract, not so much.
So it is apparently the Lakers will not field a competitive team next year. Kobe or Nick Young at SF may not work defensively, and their front court PF+C is probably the worst ever in the entire NBA history. They should tank hard, and try out as many young NBDL players as possible. maybe they can find a diamond in rough or two. No more crappy veterans like Boozer and Lin; Boozer and Lin have some name recognition but they suck as basketball players.
Preserve cap room, tank hard, develop young players, find a sucker for Nick Young and when both Young and Kobe are gone, with a young nucleus of Clarkson, Russel, Randle, a couple young solid role players, plus 2~3 max slots, they should be able to sign 2 or 3 all-stars in the same off season and be back in contention
Kobe's $25+ mill per year contract, not so much.
So it is apparently the Lakers will not field a competitive team next year. Kobe or Nick Young at SF may not work defensively, and their front court PF+C is probably the worst ever in the entire NBA history. They should tank hard, and try out as many young NBDL players as possible. maybe they can find a diamond in rough or two. No more crappy veterans like Boozer and Lin; Boozer and Lin have some name recognition but they suck as basketball players.
Preserve cap room, tank hard, develop young players, find a sucker for Nick Young and when both Young and Kobe are gone, with a young nucleus of Clarkson, Russel, Randle, a couple young solid role players, plus 2~3 max slots, they should be able to sign 2 or 3 all-stars in the same off season and be back in contention
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The Motor Court Company
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I think Lakers should try to preserve cap space and get rid of Swaggy P's contract by trying to trade him + 2nd round picks for David Lee AND/Or Nene. GS and Washington can save some tax bills, right?
Rondo for 1 year contract is OK.
Rondo for 1 year contract is OK.
qwerty
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If honestly would rather see IHO on the the lakers than any of the garbage that is left. Randle and the new PG better show they are good building blocks to attract free agents next year. Also, as soon as the season is over the lakers need to say they are not resigning kobe(assuming he hasn't announced his retirement by then). If the lakers don't announce they are not resigning him and Kobe drags out his retirement decision it will hurt their chances of signing Durant, etc
irvinehomeowner
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Man... that's 2 for me as a Laker.
Tell Kobe to retire before the season starts and it's a done deal.
Tell Kobe to retire before the season starts and it's a done deal.
It's interesting how mid level talent are starting to go small markets. ( ex. Ellis to Indiana, Monroe to Milwaukee) Because at the end of the day, endorsements/fans/press coverage is not there)
But I can see why they are not going to the Lakers or Knicks. The coach, management style, and roster not good.
But I can see why they are not going to the Lakers or Knicks. The coach, management style, and roster not good.
Irvinecommuter
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qwerty said:
That's a complete oversimplification of analytics...Warriors, SA, Trailblazers, and many top teams heavily employ analytics.
Baseball was the first spoert to embrace analytics and it's an indispensable part of just about every front office.
Barkley also said that a jumpshooting team like the Warriors can't win a championship.
qwerty
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@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers?
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
Irvinecommuter
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qwerty said:@irvinecommuter - and how many of the losing teams use analytics? Just as many. The Spurs win cause they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and ginobli (whe head younger). The warriors have two of the best shooters in the league. They win because they have talent. Do u really think analytics would help the lakers?
Talent wins titles, not analytics.
That's like saying qwerty drinks diet coke, if u drink diet coke u too will have a bat between your legs
Analytics is not a magic potion and not used to the same effects by every team. Analytics play a big part in drafting players and finding bargain players. It is not a coincidence that SA keep finding great players in the draft or pick up the right FAs
Lakers would be helped if they used analytics.
You sound like the old school scouts in Moneyball.