ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 31.0%
  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 23 54.8%
  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    42
NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
Losing more and more money is not a sustainable business plan…
'I don't know how you can cut prices like Ford just did and make it up in volume', says Jim Cramer
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2023/07/17/i-dont-know-how-you-can-cut-prices-like-ford-just-did-and-make-it-up-in-volume-says-jim-cramer.html?__source=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

Demand is there, when there's a demand, there's a way

"Tesla came out as the car brand people are looking to buy the most across the world, topping the tables as the most Googled car for sale in 39 countries. It came first in the USA (in 25 of the 50 states, see appendix below), as well as Canada, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, UAE and Scandinavia."

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I could see this coming - Taycan tops the list of most unreliable cars. Thinking Porsche could develop a quality EV and software stack with low volume and no Silicon Valley engineers - I laugh every time I see one and up here most people are tech savvy so you don’t see too many.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/porsche-taycan-ev-makes-most-unreliable-lists-based-on-complaints/

Here's a different list with Teslas being just as unreliable as the Taycan. Model X rated worse than the Taycan and the S just above it. I don't own either car so no skin the game, just a different perspective.

https://insideevs.com/news/655512/tesla-model-s-x-consumer-reports-unreliable-evs/

We could find articles with both perspectives - this one doesn't have Teslas on their list, but at the bottom of the article another company gave the Model Y an award.

 
Here's a different list with Teslas being just as unreliable as the Taycan. Model X rated worse than the Taycan and the S just above it. I don't own either car so no skin the game, just a different perspective.

https://insideevs.com/news/655512/tesla-model-s-x-consumer-reports-unreliable-evs/

We could find articles with both perspectives - this one doesn't have Teslas on their list, but at the bottom of the article another company gave the Model Y an award.

I would never own an X - not enough volume to perfect the mfg process like they did with the 3. Surprised at the S inclusion but more fancy things liek air suspension to go wrong. The 3 Performance is the ultimate combination of reliability, extreme performance and value.
 
I guess it's a good thing Toyota moved to Texas, because Tesla is now outselling them here:


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The California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA) released its second quarter 2023 California Auto Outlook report, and it reveals record performance for Tesla.

Tesla has the two bestselling vehicles in California, and it’s not even close:

  • Tesla Model 3: 41,718 units year to date (through June 2023)
  • Tesla Model Y: 74,765 units year to date (through June 2023)
The next best are far behind: Toyota Camry with 27,169 units and Toyota RAV4 with 26,032 units.

Speaking of Toyota, it was dethroned by Tesla for the first time in California during the second quarter.

Tesla was the bestselling brand in California with just north of 69,000 units compared to Toyota’s 67,000 units
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Can morekaos get anything right? :) :) :)
 
… in California? Where 49% of the EV’s reside and probably will stay…..Good one.😂😂😂😂
Absolutely a good one, I agree!
I mean, California leads in overall economy, tech, innovation, of course it’ll lead in EV adoption, duh!!!

Probably will stay in California? We’ll see, but I haven’t seen any indication EV adoption rate has fallen, thus far they’ve all increased.

Guess that’s more time for you to stay in the basement of the bowling alley while the world is changing.
 
Probably will stay in California? We’ll see, but I haven’t seen any indication EV adoption rate has fallen, thus far they’ve all increased.
The fact that a lot of manufacturers have made an agreement with Tesla to adopt their charging system means that they're all ramping up production since there will now be a charging infrastructure in place for their cars too.
 
The one drawback of opening up Tesla SC's to everyone else will probably be the cost. Supercharging for Tesla owners is already expensive and I assume that there will be a markup for non-Tesla vehicles for those same electrons.

But that is also a good thing because that doesn't destroy the market for other charging networks like ChargePoint, Electrify America and EVGo. I think I've said this before but if I were a Big Oil company, I would look into partnering with or acquiring an EV charging company and start building out chargers at my gas station network.
 
The one drawback of opening up Tesla SC's to everyone else will probably be the cost. Supercharging for Tesla owners is already expensive and I assume that there will be a markup for non-Tesla vehicles for those same electrons.

But that is also a good thing because that doesn't destroy the market for other charging networks like ChargePoint, Electrify America and EVGo. I think I've said this before but if I were a Big Oil company, I would look into partnering with or acquiring an EV charging company and start building out chargers at my gas station network.
I've already posted an article from CNBC before where Shell's CEO was saying that they're building more EV chargers in Asia.

Here's another article:

 
… from your article, very interesting…🤔🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂
But in June, EV inventories began to grow as factories started cranking out new models. Not including Tesla and Rivian, dealers had enough EV supply on hand for 103 days of sales, according to Cox Automotive. But there was only a 53 day supply of all vehicles, indicating much lower inventories of combustion engine vehicles.
 
Personally, growing inventory is a good thing... it give customers more choice, the ability to actually see, touch and test drive EVs... and encourage dealers to discount instead of mark up.

Although it may seem like it, there are many other non-Tesla EVs I want to try.
 
Well that's one way to reduce the inventory....🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂

Race to salvage sinking cargo ship carrying 3,000 vehicles including 350 Mercedes as it burns out of control in North Sea after fire 'caused by electric car'


 
^didn't even click on the link, but the first sentence of the thumbnail states that at least one crew member died and it elicits a joy emoji from mk...
 
When the facts don’t line up…create your own set of facts and impose them on the fools…😂😂😂😂

Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints


In March, Alexandre Ponsin set out on a family road trip from Colorado to California in his newly purchased Tesla, a used 2021 Model 3. He expected to get something close to the electric sport sedan’s advertised driving range: 353 miles on a fully charged battery.

He soon realized he was sometimes getting less than half that much range, particularly in cold weather – such severe underperformance that he was convinced the car had a serious defect.

“We’re looking at the range, and you literally see the number decrease in front of your eyes,” he said of his dashboard range meter.

Ponsin contacted Tesla and booked a service appointment in California. He later received two text messages, telling him that “remote diagnostics” had determined his battery was fine, and then: “We would like to cancel your visit.”

What Ponsin didn’t know was that Tesla employees had been instructed to thwart any customers complaining about poor driving range from bringing their vehicles in for service. Last summer, the company quietly created a “Diversion Team” in Las Vegas to cancel as many range-related appointments as possible.

The Austin, Texas-based electric carmaker deployed the team because its service centers were inundated with appointments from owners who had expected better performance based on the company’s advertised estimates and the projections displayed by the in-dash range meters of the cars themselves, according to several people familiar with the matter.

Inside the Nevada team’s office, some employees celebrated canceling service appointments by putting their phones on mute and striking a metal xylophone, triggering applause from coworkers who sometimes stood on desks. The team often closed hundreds of cases a week and staffers were tracked on their average number of diverted appointments per day.

Tesla years ago began exaggerating its vehicles’ potential driving distance – by rigging their range-estimating software.The company decided about a decade ago, for marketing purposes, to write algorithms for its range meter that would show drivers “rosy” projections for the distance it could travel on a full battery, according to a person familiar with an early design of the software for its in-dash readouts.

Then, when the battery fell below 50% of its maximum charge, the algorithm would show drivers more realistic projections for their remaining driving range, this person said. To prevent drivers from getting stranded as their predicted range started declining more quickly, Teslas were designed with a “safety buffer,” allowing about 15 miles (24 km) of additional range even after the dash readout showed an empty battery, the source said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/tes...rce=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.Mail

 
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