ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 31.0%
  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 23 54.8%
  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    42
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Higher end vehicles are going to have a harder time (which includes Rivian).

If Tesla didn't have the 3/Y... I'm sure they wouldn't be doing as well either... or if the 3/Y cost $100k!! :)
 
…but those here like to deny reality and submit their own…😂😂

Electric Cars Are a Scam


The l&$? likes to treat skeptics of electrical cars as if they were Luddites. Truth is, making an existing product less efficient but more expensive doesn't really meet the definition of innovation.
This is why there is no real "emerging market" for EVs in the United States as much as there's an industrial policy in place that props up EVs with government purchases, propaganda, state subsidies, cronyism, taxpayer-backed loans, and edicts. The green "revolution" is an elite-driven, top-down technocratic project. And it's increasingly clear that the only reason giant rent-seeking carmakers are so heavily invested in EV development is that the government is promising to limit the production of gas-powered cars artificially.

In today's real-world economy, Ford projects it will lose $3 billion on electric vehicles in 2023, bringing its EV losses to $5.1 billion over two years. In 2021, Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made. This year, it was losing more than $58,000 on every EV. In a normal world, Ford would be dramatically scaling back EV production, not expanding it. Remember that next time; we need to bail out Detroit.
Without massive state help, EVs are a niche market for rich virtue signalers. And, come to think of it, that's sort of what they are now, even with the help. A recent University of California at Berkeley study found that 90% of tax credits for EVs go to people in the top income strata. Most EVs are bought by high earners who like the look and feel of a Tesla. And that's fine. I don't want to stop anyone from owning the car they prefer. I just don't want to help pay for it.

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidharsanyi/2023/07/14/electric-cars-are-a-scam-n2625710
 
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Again... just like people didn't think cell phones/smart phones were needed.

EVs are just the next evolutionary step in transportation technology regardless of any "green" or "black" agenda.

It's not a unicorn... it's an inevitability.
 
cell phones had something to offer…🤷🏽‍♂️
“Even the purported amenities and technological advances EV makers like to brag about in their ads have been a regular feature of gas-powered vehicles going back generations. At best, EVs, if they fulfill their promise, are a lateral technology.

Really, why would a middle-class family shun a perfectly good gas-powered car that can be fueled (most of the time) cheaply and driven virtually any distance, in any environment, and any time of the year? We don't need lithium. We have the most efficient, affordable, portable, and useful form of energy. We have centuries' worth of it waiting in the ground.

Climate alarmists might believe EVs are necessary to save the planet. That's fine. Using their standard, however, a bike is an innovation. Because even on their terms, the usefulness of EVs is highly debatable. Most of the energy that powers them is derived from fossil fuels. The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive benefit for the environment, if any.

And the fact is that if EVs were more efficient and saved us money, as enviros and politicians claim, consumers wouldn't have to be compelled into using them, and companies wouldn't have to be bribed into producing them.”
 
Since you quote instead of read and digest... what "purported advances" do EVs "brag" about the ICE has?

No oil changes? Less brake wear? Reduction of noise and smog? Instant torque? Less maintenance?

Most ICE automakers understand the benefits of electric motors which is why many are going to them purely for the performance boost even if just a hybrid setup (like Lamborghini).

You misunderstand how change works... even if it's better... many are reluctant and require incentives to move away from the familiar.
 
wait till they have to replace that old battery…they won’t see that coming. More unicorns to the slaughter!🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂

Yet another fear post, time to get out of the basement of the bowling alley and see the light


Batteries have a lifespan, sure, but 300k to 500k is a looong time. ICE vehicles have parts break, and maintenance that adds up.
 
Batteries have a lifespan, sure, but 300k to 500k is a looong time. ICE vehicles have parts break, and maintenance that adds up.
That’s what they tell you,🤷🏽‍♂️😂 do you know of any EV owner who has 500,000 miles on their car?
 
That’s what they tell you,🤷🏽‍♂️😂 do you know of any EV owner who has 500,000 miles on their car?

That burden's on you, you're the one that likes to make outlandish useless posts.

Most ev's are too new to go that far out, but here's one for you. Typical Morekaos type of post, this one here means ALL of them are the same o_O:whistle::coffee::giggle:

 
Your wait is over..Sorry, been on the water a lot but back in the office today….That’s all you got for the unprecedented technological leap?....

No oil changes? ..Really? the average Joe might change his oil once a year, if that…most new cars come with no maintenance cost anyway but even old cars barely get this done and still operate normally…superfluous $50 a year.

The 3,000-Mile Oil Change Is Pretty Much History

“There was a time when the 3,000 miles was a good guideline,” said Philip Reed, senior consumer advice editor for the car site Edmunds.com. “But it’s no longer true for any car bought in the last seven or eight years.”

Oil chemistry and engine technology have improved to the point that most cars can go several thousand more miles before changing the oil, Mr. Reed said. A better average, he said, would be 7,500 between oil changes, and sometimes up to 10,000 miles or more.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/your-money/11shortcuts.html

Less brake wear? Probably not true as EV’s weigh almost 1000 pounds more on average than an ICE….besides now tire pollution and wear will add to environmental and maintenance costs…

The dirty secret behind your electric vehicles exposed: How the TIRES produce 20% more pollution than their gas equivalents - as experts slam 'big monster' EVs


· Experts warn tires release chemicals and microplastics into the environment

· The typical electric car weighs around 1000 pounds more than gas models

· Why low tailpipe particle emissions may now be dominated by tyre wear.

· When you think of vehicle emissions, you naturally think of the exhaust pipe. Think again.

https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/gaining-traction-losing-tread

https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/2020/1/28/tyres-not-tailpipe

How EVs Kill

Which is also a safety problem in that people who do not drive EVs are more likely to be hurt – and hurt more seriously – if their non-EV is hit by one.That’s because even compact-sized EVs like the Nissan Leaf – which weighs 3,509 lbs. – are heavier than mid-sized non-electric cars like the Toyota Camry (which weighs 3,310 lbs.).EV trucks and SUVs weigh as much as the heaviest-duty/almost commercial-sized trucks.The Ford F1-50 Lightning, for instance, weighs in excess of 6,000 lbs. That is more than three tons. If you are driving a Honda Civic that weighs less than 3,000 lbs. and are struck broadside by a Lightning doing 45 through a red light, the number of air bags you have in the Civic won’t matter much – because there won’t be much left of the Civic.

Reduction of noise and smog? Hardly…the smog from the coal and gas fired plants and massive mining operations and battery production that fuels your EV revolution offset any benefits derived from the car itself…as for noise…they’re adding noise for that feel good bump…

Fake noise will be added to new electric cars starting today in the EU
EU’s legislation says that the sound should be similar to (and not louder than) a traditional combustion engine.
It should also give pedestrians an idea of what the vehicle is doing by, for example, synchronizing with a vehicle’s speed. Jaguar has already revealed what its I-Pace will sound like, and Nissan announced a concept vehicle back in 2017 that “sings” as it drives.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/1/2...ise-low-speeds-european-union-rules-2019-2021

instant torque? More a feature than advantage….who cares? just get joe from A to B is what matters

Less maintenance? Sure…till you have to replace that battery. First generation is now quickly approaching that point and the costs are staggering…additionally you have to dump that battery and create a new one…nice pollution….
Three inconvenient truths about the critical minerals race

China is so far winning the global scramble for metals needed in the green transition
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Few consumers are likely to be familiar with the uses of gallium or germanium. But the chemicals — which are used in solar panels, as well as optical fibres — have acquired newfound fame this month after China announced it would be restricting their export from August 1. The curbs, which seek to preserve Beijing’s “national security and interests”, are a reminder that the west needs to bolster its efforts in the global scramble to secure metals and minerals that are critical for the green transition and new technologies. Demand for vital resources such as lithium, copper, cobalt and nickel is expected to more than double by 2030, as the world rushes to build electric vehicles, wind turbines and solar panels in mushrooming quantities. Investment in developing these raw materials rose by 30 per cent last year to more than $40bn, according to a report this week from the International Energy Agency. Since mining projects take anywhere from seven to 20 years to realise, accelerating extraction is crucial.
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Unicorns are tuning out to be a donkey with a stick glued to its head….🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂😂
 
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You miss the point... why did you get the iPhone and every iteration after? Why did you get a Newton?
Just because you own a smartphone doesn't make you understand technology trends... it just shows that you want to... but doesn't prove you do.
I have three of these and one with the box….😂😂😂

First edition iPhone sells for a record $190,000 at auction - more than 300 times its original $599 price in 2007​

A two-decade-old iPhone considered to be the 'Holy Grail' by Apple collectors has sold at auction for a record $190,000 (£145,000).

 
So instead of creating your own answers you copied mine and cut and paste articles that are out of context and not really correct.

Good job on even further demonstrating your lack of EV technology knowledge.

So still waiting for you to show me what ICE cars do that EVs “purport as advantages”. They don’t have zero oil changes, still wear brakes more, are noisier even with fake EV noises, are more maintenance and don’t have instant torque.
 
You countered what I had already wrote... I asked you to tell me in your own words what do ICE cars do that EVs "purport as an advantage" in your first post on this matter.

You do understand English don't you?
 
“No oil changes? Less brake wear? Reduction of noise and smog? Instant torque? Less maintenance?”

Can you? You asked a specific set of questions I gave you my opinion on each question (in purple) and then backed up that opinion with articles and data for reference.🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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