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I don't see hoax or just a cough.

The flu is a killer.  A nasty killer.  50000 dead in a flu year is not uncommon.  Most of those occur in a four month window of December - March. 

We may well pass that over the next 8 weeks.  I suspect we're in the equivalent of January 1st.

The flu is a benchmark for killer diesases.

I have said we need more testing.

eyephone said:
nosuchreality said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Isn't this how the 2nd rebooted Planet of the Apes starts?

Or 28 Days Later?



A virus from animals... first swine/birds... now this.
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Meanwhile, influenza is on track to kill 36,000 in the USA this year and a half million worldwide on a pretty mild typical year.
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Here is where you talked about influenza.
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The Verge Article: Google has banned the Infowars Android app over false coronavirus claims

Google has banned the Infowars Android app from the Google Play store, the company confirmed to Wired on Friday. Google also confirmed the app?s removal to The Verge, and we couldn?t find the Infowars app in a search on the Play Store this evening.

The app was apparently removed because of a video posted by radio host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that, according to Wired, ?disputed the need for social distancing, shelter in place, and quarantine efforts meant to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.? Before it was removed, the app had more than 100,000 downloads, Wired reports.

Last week, Alex Jones was ordered by New York Attorney General Letitia James to stop selling Infowars products that were marketed as a treatment or cure for the coronavirus. ?[Alex Jones?] latest mistruths are incredibly dangerous and pose a serious threat to the public health of New Yorkers and individuals across the nation,? James said in a statement.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/27/...d-infowars-android-app-play-store-coronavirus

Hmm sounds familiar.
 
Yeah whatever hoax or cough. But you were indirectly posting as if it was a hoax. You even compared me to a homeless person. Haha
A total fake guy. Misinformation 101 maybe even graduate level
 
On an island of dogs, a dog bite is very serious as it kills many people every year.

The people on DogLand do not know about shark bites because they never go into the ocean.

Then, one day, the sharks evolve and become land sharks. It scares many people and the only comparison they can measure the severity of shark bites is to dog bites.
 
Bear in mind that 2 weeks ago there was a British study saying 2.5m dead in the US, 500,000 dead in the UK. Governor Numbskull Newsom said 2.5m infected in California! Today it's Fauchi saying "up to 1m dead. All of these are theoretical models looking at worst case scenarios.

Example how this news can be misread: From the intellectually neutral WAPO: (Sarc/)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a84116-6851-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html

1 Week later..... same author of that British study: 500k dead US, 20k dead in the UK
https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...guson-did-not-walk-back-covid-19-predictions/

In fact, both the 500k and the 20k numbers are possible. The headlines look at worst case scenarios, but rarely the truth. Unfortunately the only way to discover what's real and what's not is in hindsight. July/August will tell the tale of the tape. Everything else in-between is just noise.  Treat it as such.
 
nosuchreality said:
I don't see hoax or just a cough.

The flu is a killer.  A nasty killer.  50000 dead in a flu year is not uncommon.  Most of those occur in a four month window of December - March. 

We may well pass that over the next 8 weeks.  I suspect we're in the equivalent of January 1st.

The flu is a benchmark for killer diesases.

I have said we need more testing.

eyephone said:
nosuchreality said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Isn't this how the 2nd rebooted Planet of the Apes starts?

Or 28 Days Later?



A virus from animals... first swine/birds... now this.
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Meanwhile, influenza is on track to kill 36,000 in the USA this year and a half million worldwide on a pretty mild typical year.
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Here is where you talked about influenza.
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Anyone comparing this to the flu needs to understand two things. One, we actually have a vaccine for the flu and it still kills somewhere between 20-60K per year in US (over a 4 month window) while infecting 10-40M people per year in US.  This new virus has a higher mortality rate, is more infectious, and has higher hospitalization rate. And obviously we don't have a vaccine for it or treatment (remember, we have a pretty good understanding for the flu and have good viral treatments for it).  Bottom line, the only way you could compare this to the flu is if you think of this as a "flu" that the world has no treatment / vaccine for and thus you are comparing it to one of the worst flus the world has ever experienced (say Spanish Flu). 

The one thing I Just can't believe is how low the case counts are, which does give me some hope that hospitalization / death rates are potentially significantly over inflated.  There is no way I can ever believe a country of China's size only had the # of cases they had, knowing that in Wuhan they ignored the warnings for a while and you had a mass exodus of people from Wuhan to other parts of China (while the epidemic was spreading).  None of that fundamentally makes sense to me.  It was basically allowed to spread for as much as 2 months in China before any clampdown. 
 
Also... Google Advanced Search is your friend here.

From the archives of Time Magazine, this article about the 2009 Swine Flu death rate projections first published August 2009

https://healthland.time.com/2009/08/25/h1n1-death-projections-doing-the-math/

For those unfamiliar with the term: "Magazines" were essentially news stories and commentary that were printed on paper, then bound into a folio about the thickness of a standard graphic novel. The folio was then either mailed to a persons home, or available at the check out counter of any good Supermarket. It's like a "news-paper" only printed on better stock.  ;) ;) ;)

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
Also... Google Advanced Search is your friend here.

From the archives of Time Magazine, this article about the 2009 Swine Flu death rate projections first published August 2009

https://healthland.time.com/2009/08/25/h1n1-death-projections-doing-the-math/

For those unfamiliar with the term: "Magazines" were essentially news stories and commentary that were printed on paper, then bound into a folio about the thickness of a standard graphic novel. The folio was then either mailed to a persons home, or available at the check out counter of any good Supermarket. It's like a "news-paper" only printed on better stock.  ;) ;) ;)

My .02c
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Just to point out, Swine Flu projections were much less severe than current COVID projections. Lets all hope the projections are wrong and one day we discover we over-reacted vs. the alternative.  Insurance companies have been running pandemic assessments for years and in those scenarios you are probably looking at somewhere in the 500K to 1M lives lost from a pandemic type of event (modeled more akin to the spanish flu which killed 50M world wide). 
 
Not sure if this is correct but from what I read, the difference between the Asian countries and the non-Asian ones is that the lockdowns were strict and the population took it seriously.

Even just on TI there is a division on how "serious" this is and there are posts that show many around the US and in our own local neighborhoods are ignoring social distancing rules.

None of us can make masks, tests, or more ventilators... but everyone can flatten the curve. Seems like the only answer and we shouldn't have to wait for the government to force us (like in other countries).
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Not sure if this is correct but from what I read, the difference between the Asian countries and the non-Asian ones is that the lockdowns were strict and the population took it seriously.

Even just on TI there is a division on how "serious" this is and there are posts that show many around the US and in our own local neighborhoods are ignoring social distancing rules.

None of us can make masks, tests, or more ventilators... but everyone can flatten the curve. Seems like the only answer and we shouldn't have to wait for the government to force us (like in other countries).
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You forgot some people on TI are saying it is just a cough and only effects only old people and with pre-existing conditions.
But that is fake. There are many people that are young and dying.
 
Lately, reading a lot of posts that people are not really complying to shelter in place strategy. If people believe that it is not a big deal or it is not a right strategy, they have the right to their beliefs. But then, they should put some skin in the game, in a capitalism way.

How about this?

If govt. wants to really increase lockdown but keep it voluntary and not send troops on streets they should make an announcement to the effect:

Dear citizen of USA,
Starting tomorrow, strict lockdown is in place. If you and the household members are not COVID positive today, you will not be 15 days from now. If you or your household member needed treatment for COVID after 15th April, half of the medical bill will be your responsibility. (assumes that you did not comply and stayed hunkered down).

If you need treatment within this 15 day window, you get the benefit of doubt that you contracted virus before this announcement came out and your medical treatment is covered as usual under current situation.
 
Good for the tests kits. Where is the social distant enforcement?
Where is medical equipment? Where are the supplies (masks, gloves, etc) for the first responders and front line grocery workers!

Save the best for last! Where are the toilet paper?
 
eyephone said:
Good for the tests kits. Where is the social distant enforcement?
Where is medical equipment? Where are the supplies (masks, gloves, etc) for the first responders and front line grocery workers!

Save the best for last! Where are the toilet paper?
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All that stuff is coming. There are many cases of places making masks, cleaning used N95 masks, making ventilators and medical volunteers graduating early or coming out of retirement.

Except toilet paper... no idea what the status on that is. :)
 
The county has hit 500 cases (503 to be exact) and 50 of those are in Irvine.  The number of tested is 6,674.

First the first time, they are reporting hospitalized cases at 94 and ICU cases at 46.  ICU cases are a subset of hospitalized.

Deaths increased by 3 to a total of 7.  What is interesting here is the age breakdown:

65 plus ~ 4
45-64 ~ 1
35-44 ~ 1
25-34 ~ 1

Young people are not invincible.  Granted, these aren't statistically valid numbers yet.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
eyephone said:
Good for the tests kits. Where is the social distant enforcement?
Where is medical equipment? Where are the supplies (masks, gloves, etc) for the first responders and front line grocery workers!

Save the best for last! Where are the toilet paper?
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All that stuff is coming. There are many cases of places making masks, cleaning used N95 masks, making ventilators and medical volunteers graduating early or coming out of retirement.

Except toilet paper... no idea what the status on that is. :)
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Huffington Post Article: U.S. Shipped Tons Of COVID-19 Supplies To China As Trump Dismissed Threat Here

The U.S. State Department shipped 17.8 tons of donated coronavirus medical supplies to China seven weeks ago, when health experts and some American lawmakers were already seeking federal action to prepare the country for the disease.

The massive shipment to China included medical masks, gowns and respirators, now in desperately short supply across America. The supplies were contributed by American companies and nonprofits, according to a U.S. Agency for International Development official.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e8179c6c5b66149226a0ff8

Article includes Secretary State Pompeo that the Us providing humanitarian relief to Wuhan. But how about the United States? We are at a time of Crisis!
 
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