irvinehomeowner
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Meanwhile CDC and other orgs like school districts are recommending a higher standard of masks such as surgical and KN95/N95.
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me thinks you = purple font... or from the same household/group
well, if they don't want to be vaccinated, they don't have to, go find another job? free choice?
same thing with mask policy (essentially the same as shirt/shoe store policy), if they choose not to wear it, don't shop there?
you mean like this:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/20/world/europe/american-airlines-passenger-mask.html
proud of this? lol... geez...
These people are making independent decisions... What you don't get is no one blindly follows anyone. A large percentage of Americans will not let their children get jabbed and that will not change. The percentage of adults currently not vaxed will probably remain stable. Thats just how it is. The battle lines have been drawn. No one is going to change their minds about that...although, as you have pointed out, many who did get vaxed are now regretting it but there is nothing they can do about that.
Proud of this? There are crazies on all sides...geez...
?Karen the Faucist lost her marbles?: Irrational DC woman screams at Defeat the Mandates rallygoers
If there is a milder variant for Trump derangement syndrome, it apparently has yet to emerge.
A video has gone viral, as it were, of a woman apparently triggered by the grassroots ?Defeat the Mandates? rally in Washington, D.C. which was attended by an estimated 35,000 Americans on Sunday.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/0...ms-at-defeat-the-mandates-rallygoers-1192531/
morekaos
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Not to totally beat a dead horse IHO but here is an article that explains what I mean by flattening the curve and maybe it clarifies your position on the term....
I?ll take my COVID curve short and steep, not long and flat
The Non-Flatteners say that even if we can flatten the curve, and it?s not clear that we can, the flattening will lengthen it, and so the area under the curve will not be reduced. In other words, the pandemic will go on for longer, albeit at a lower daily death rate, to produce the same or a greater number of total deaths.
I?m not skilled in COVID epidemiology (and, the last two years suggest, neither are epidemiologists) but my instinct is that the Non-Flatteners are right. Flattening the curve by reducing the daily death rate will produce a longer curve by prolonging the pandemic. Consequently, the area under the flattened but lengthened curve ? the total deaths ? will be the same as under the higher but shorter unflattened curve.
And so the question becomes, do we choose a short steep curve of greater pain or a longer flatter curve of more moderate pain?
Expressed that way, this choice is no longer a debate about science so much as a debate about philosophy. It?s a debate about how to live. Some people will choose low-level pain that goes for years over high-level pain that goes for months.
https://theaspenbeat.com/2022/01/21/ill-take-my-covid-curve-short-and-steep-not-long-and-flat/
I?ll take my COVID curve short and steep, not long and flat
The Non-Flatteners say that even if we can flatten the curve, and it?s not clear that we can, the flattening will lengthen it, and so the area under the curve will not be reduced. In other words, the pandemic will go on for longer, albeit at a lower daily death rate, to produce the same or a greater number of total deaths.
I?m not skilled in COVID epidemiology (and, the last two years suggest, neither are epidemiologists) but my instinct is that the Non-Flatteners are right. Flattening the curve by reducing the daily death rate will produce a longer curve by prolonging the pandemic. Consequently, the area under the flattened but lengthened curve ? the total deaths ? will be the same as under the higher but shorter unflattened curve.
And so the question becomes, do we choose a short steep curve of greater pain or a longer flatter curve of more moderate pain?
Expressed that way, this choice is no longer a debate about science so much as a debate about philosophy. It?s a debate about how to live. Some people will choose low-level pain that goes for years over high-level pain that goes for months.
https://theaspenbeat.com/2022/01/21/ill-take-my-covid-curve-short-and-steep-not-long-and-flat/
nosuchreality
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The only real problem with short and steep is we?ve had four of them. All sorts of medical procedures have be delayed repeatedly over time.
This one is still running. If Vegas had a line, I?d take next wave for 100,000 late summer early fall. Followed by Wave six, seven? Next Christmas.
The spike waves are not sustainable from a medical support standpoint.
This one is still running. If Vegas had a line, I?d take next wave for 100,000 late summer early fall. Followed by Wave six, seven? Next Christmas.
The spike waves are not sustainable from a medical support standpoint.
that guy looks like a free lance writer posting about his opinion?
even if the area under the curve is the same, the affects are different, meaning the sharp/steep/short spike would mean inundating the hospital system/available care/beds leading to more deaths (wouldn't count as COVID, area under the curve if they don't have it?).
even if the area under the curve is the same, the affects are different, meaning the sharp/steep/short spike would mean inundating the hospital system/available care/beds leading to more deaths (wouldn't count as COVID, area under the curve if they don't have it?).
morekaos
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buh-bye...officially...was not constitutional to begin with...
COVID?19 Vaccination and Testing; Emergency Temporary Standard
AGENCY: Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), Labor.
ACTION: Interim final rule; withdrawal.
SUMMARY: OSHA is withdrawing the November 5, 2021, emergency temporary
standard (ETS) which was issued to protect unvaccinated employees of large employers
(100 or more employees) from the risk of contracting COVID?19 by strongly
encouraging vaccination.
https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2022-01532.pdf
COVID?19 Vaccination and Testing; Emergency Temporary Standard
AGENCY: Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), Labor.
ACTION: Interim final rule; withdrawal.
SUMMARY: OSHA is withdrawing the November 5, 2021, emergency temporary
standard (ETS) which was issued to protect unvaccinated employees of large employers
(100 or more employees) from the risk of contracting COVID?19 by strongly
encouraging vaccination.
https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2022-01532.pdf
Have we ever reached hospital capacity? If so, why force vaccine mandate on hospital staff and fire the unvaccinated? Those unvaccinated staff, working at the front line for two years and suddenly they need to be vaccinated?
One can argue having a weak and leaky vaccine actually prolongs the pandemic.....
One can argue having a weak and leaky vaccine actually prolongs the pandemic.....
AW said:
Trump touts effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccine
Former President Donald Trump pushed back on a questioner's skepticism about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid-19 vaccine in a new interview, saying that the "vaccine works" and "people aren't dying when they take the vaccine."
"Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get (Covid), it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine," he said in an interview with The Daily Wire's Candace Owens that was released Tuesday.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/23/politics/trump-vaccine-covid-effectiveness/index.html
Former President Donald Trump pushed back on a questioner's skepticism about the effectiveness and safety of the Covid-19 vaccine in a new interview, saying that the "vaccine works" and "people aren't dying when they take the vaccine."
"Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get (Covid), it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine," he said in an interview with The Daily Wire's Candace Owens that was released Tuesday.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/23/politics/trump-vaccine-covid-effectiveness/index.html
Do you remember how I question why people that got the vaccine and then dont want to say if they got the vaccine.
Trump also brings up the same thing. He uses the term gutless.
"I watched a couple politicians be interviewed and one of the questions was, 'Did you get a booster?' Because they had the vaccine and they're answering like -- in other words, the answer is 'yes' but they don't want to say it, because they're gutless.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/12/politics/trump-desantis-covid-boosters/index.html
Trump also brings up the same thing. He uses the term gutless.
"I watched a couple politicians be interviewed and one of the questions was, 'Did you get a booster?' Because they had the vaccine and they're answering like -- in other words, the answer is 'yes' but they don't want to say it, because they're gutless.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/12/politics/trump-desantis-covid-boosters/index.html
akula1488 said:
me thinks you = purple font... or from the same household/group
well, if they don't want to be vaccinated, they don't have to, go find another job? free choice?
same thing with mask policy (essentially the same as shirt/shoe store policy), if they choose not to wear it, don't shop there?
morekaos said:
you mean like this:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/20/world/europe/american-airlines-passenger-mask.html
proud of this? lol... geez...
morekaos
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eyephone said:
These people are making independent decisions... What you don't get is no one blindly follows anyone. A large percentage of Americans will not let their children get jabbed and that will not change. The percentage of adults currently not vaxed will probably remain stable. Thats just how it is. The battle lines have been drawn. No one is going to change their minds about that...although, as you have pointed out, many who did get vaxed are now regretting it but there is nothing they can do about that.
morekaos
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AW said:
Proud of this? There are crazies on all sides...geez...
?Karen the Faucist lost her marbles?: Irrational DC woman screams at Defeat the Mandates rallygoers
If there is a milder variant for Trump derangement syndrome, it apparently has yet to emerge.
A video has gone viral, as it were, of a woman apparently triggered by the grassroots ?Defeat the Mandates? rally in Washington, D.C. which was attended by an estimated 35,000 Americans on Sunday.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/0...ms-at-defeat-the-mandates-rallygoers-1192531/