coronavirus

[eyephone]

What do you want them to do?
You are against vaccination. gg

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Well, looks like the White House is throwing up its hands and going with my Virus gotta Virus approach...

Are they really? Seems like they are saying "virus is gonna virus" for those who are not getting vax'd. And that will spill over to everyone else... which is why they recommend getting vax'd.

Stubborn is gonna stubborn.

 

[akula1488]

Yet we have a flurry of triple vaccinated politicians got infected. I think most work places and schools will want you to self isolate if you are positive. So how can these people return to normal life? So vaccination really doesn't help you return to a normal life...virus gonna virus. Sure the symptoms may be more mild but it does not immunitize you from getting it completely. Still need to wear a mask keep social distance and stay home when infected like everyone else.

 

[akula1488]

Also, instead of vaccine mandate and vaccine passport. We should have a smoker and obesity mandate and passport. I would bet science would agree if we eliminate obesity and smokers there will be a lot less Americans dying, COVID or not. The hospitals won't be as overwhelmed.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Flurry? So what are the unvaccinated called? Hordes?

Relax akula... we get it, you are a non-believer... you went from moderate to full on anti-science, anti-facts posting.

You still never responded to my mask efficacy post earlier which used your own opinions to prove my point.

 

[akula1488]

I did reply by quoting FDA. You are questioning FDA now?

Flurry? So what are the unvaccinated called? Hordes?

Relax akula... we get it, you are a non-believer... you went from moderate to full on anti-science, anti-facts posting.

You still never responded to my mask efficacy post earlier which used your own opinions to prove my point.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Let's see what those white supremacist morons at FDA have to say about mask. If something doesn't fit your narrative, you guys can even deny sources from FDA, CDC and WHO, quite pathetic to be honest.

If worn properly, a surgical mask is meant to help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain germs (viruses and bacteria), keeping it from reaching your mouth and nose. Surgical masks may also help reduce exposure of your saliva and respiratory secretions to others.

While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face.

Surgical masks are not intended to be used more than once. If your surgical mask is damaged or soiled, or if breathing through the mask becomes difficult, you should remove it, discard it safely, and replace it with a new one. To safely discard your surgical mask, place it in a plastic bag and put it in the trash. Wash your hands after handling the used mask

People with chronic respiratory, cardiac, or other medical conditions that make breathing difficult should check with their health care provider before using an N95 respirator because the N95 respirator can make it more difficult for the wearer to breathe.
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...l-masks-face-masks-and-barrier-face-coverings

This did not answer my questions to you... it just reinforced it.

If you read this... it still says that masks reduce the viral load in enclosed spaces if the infected are wearing masks. It's simple logic.

You yourself claimed it reduced oxygen intake and outgoing germs... which translates to reduced viral load and lower chance of transmission.

Masks work... your grasp of that concept is the issue here.

 

[eyephone]

How many times do we have to tell you? You can still get it with the vaccination. The new strains are contagious af.
The outcome with people that are vaccinated are better.

Yet we have a flurry of triple vaccinated politicians got infected. I think most work places and schools will want you to self isolate if you are positive. So how can these people return to normal life? So vaccination really doesn't help you return to a normal life...virus gonna virus. Sure the symptoms may be more mild but it does not immunitize you from getting it completely. Still need to wear a mask keep social distance and stay home when infected like everyone else.

 

[eyephone]

Also, instead of vaccine mandate and vaccine passport. We should have a smoker and obesity mandate and passport. I would bet science would agree if we eliminate obesity and smokers there will be a lot less Americans dying, COVID or not. The hospitals won't be as overwhelmed.

Hey little ____. Arent you vaccinated?

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Back to factual events:

NBA, NFL and other sports teams have to delay games due to so many players in health protocols (this doesn't mean they actually got Covid, but were exposed and need to quarantine and test).

This just goes to show that once you get lax in protocols, Covid spreads.

We have the holidays coming up... please be careful out there. We are coming up to the year anniversary of when my cousin died from Covid... I don't want that to happen to any of you.

 

[akula1488]

I did not say mask doesn't work at all. For large droplets it helps. But FDA admits it doesn't work for small particles. FDA admits people who are having respiratory issues should not wear it (so this does restrict your breathing, except healthy people can take the hit). Not wearing it properly can make it less effective. It is also common sense that wearing mask long time wil trap bacteria so you need to change it frequently. The intention is good but in practice it is not as beneficial.

There are also scientific researches on effectiveness of masks that can stir quite bit of debate.

You are accusing me of anti science but the problem you are only recognizing sciences that fit your narrative. I can find clips from Fauci on masks but you will probably say it is fake...again you will rarely find consensus in most scientific subjects. If science cannot be questioned it is more like a religion.

Let's see what those white supremacist morons at FDA have to say about mask. If something doesn't fit your narrative, you guys can even deny sources from FDA, CDC and WHO, quite pathetic to be honest.

If worn properly, a surgical mask is meant to help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain germs (viruses and bacteria), keeping it from reaching your mouth and nose. Surgical masks may also help reduce exposure of your saliva and respiratory secretions to others.

While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face.

Surgical masks are not intended to be used more than once. If your surgical mask is damaged or soiled, or if breathing through the mask becomes difficult, you should remove it, discard it safely, and replace it with a new one. To safely discard your surgical mask, place it in a plastic bag and put it in the trash. Wash your hands after handling the used mask

People with chronic respiratory, cardiac, or other medical conditions that make breathing difficult should check with their health care provider before using an N95 respirator because the N95 respirator can make it more difficult for the wearer to breathe.
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...l-masks-face-masks-and-barrier-face-coverings

This did not answer my questions to you... it just reinforced it.

If you read this... it still says that masks reduce the viral load in enclosed spaces if the infected are wearing masks. It's simple logic.

You yourself claimed it reduced oxygen intake and outgoing germs... which translates to reduced viral load and lower chance of transmission.

Masks work... your grasp of that concept is the issue here.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I did not say mask doesn't work at all.

Purdue has both mask and vaccine mandate. So this means current  mask and vaccine protocol doesn't really prevent transmission and  infection.

You need to choose your words more carefully then when you post.

"doesn't really prevent transmission and infection" = "doesn't work at all"

Any reduction in viral load helps. That's not religion... that's fact.

 

[akula1488]

This I agree with. Being vaccinated doesn't mean you are protected. Everyone should take precaution measures. I just wish  we should not use the term vaccine so liberally as they are in fact immunity boosters. We just need to look up the definition of vaccine prior to Covid...

Back to factual events:

NBA, NFL and other sports teams have to delay games due to so many players in health protocols (this doesn't mean they actually got Covid, but were exposed and need to quarantine and test).

This just goes to show that once you get lax in protocols, Covid spreads.

We have the holidays coming up... please be careful out there. We are coming up to the year anniversary of when my cousin died from Covid... I don't want that to happen to any of you.

 

[akula1488]

"So this means current  mask and vaccine protocol doesn't really prevent transmission and  infection"

So you said this means doesn't work at all, and is infactual. So with double negative it means current mask and vaccine protocol prevent transmission and infection, 100%?. Then why do we have these breakthrough examples?

I did not say mask doesn't work at all.

Purdue has both mask and vaccine mandate. So this means current  mask and vaccine protocol doesn't really prevent transmission and  infection.

You need to choose your words more carefully then when you post.

"doesn't really prevent transmission and infection" = "doesn't work at all"

Any reduction in viral load helps. That's not religion... that's fact.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

@akula:

I'm not an English teacher... but the fact is, masks and vaccines DO prevent transmission and infection... not 100%... but more than 0%... which is what you are implying.

 

[eyephone]

Dayton 24/7 Now Article: Governor DeWine mobilizing National Guard to Ohio hospitals

Governor Mike DeWine said today that he is mobilizing the Ohio National Guard to help in the state's hospitals, as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to tax health care resources.

DeWine said the trend continues that unvaccinated people make up the vast majority - 9 out of 10 - of those hospitalized for COVID-19 in Ohio.

The governor said it's a perfect storm of the high spread of the delta variant of COVID, plus the ongoing flu season, and the emerging omicron variant.

DeWine said that 4,723 Ohioans were hospitalized for COVID-19 as of Friday. That's the highest number of hospitalizations since Dec. 22, 2020, and is approaching the highest all-time.

He said that our health care workers have endured 22 months of pressure and stress from treating COVID-19. DeWine said he heard a story from a hospital administrator that their staff typically take only 8 hours off between shifts before returning to work, because of the demands of COVID-19. DeWine said that is typical in the state's health care industry these days. 
https://dayton247now.com/amp/news/l...-hospital-staffing-issues-as-covid-19-spreads

My comment: This seems like a trend regarding the unvaccinated in the hospital.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

@akula:

I'm not an English teacher... but the fact is, masks and vaccines DO prevent transmission and infection... not 100%... but more than 0%... which is what you are implying.

When I used to have a real job, everyone got the flu and none of us hardly ever got a flu shot. I got the flu ONE time.

I credit a few things I did:

If someone was sick or the flu was going around (one particular nurse repeatedly came to work sick) I didn't EVER use the phone they used and I wouldn't use a keyboard they used either (we all used the same phones and keyboards but we had multiple choices for devices in the nurse's stations). Even if people were not sick, I tried to hold the phone away from my face and washed my hands after using the keyboards. I stood away from people as much as possible..... today that would be social distancing.

Wash your hands with soap and hot water, wear a mask and keep away from people. It will help alot.

Omicron supposedly doubles every 1.5 - 3 days. Whole country could have it if we were exposed to people in less than a month. If it's just cold/mild stay at home symptoms, should putter out quickly after we all have it. Question being, is it really mild if you've had the three doses? Personally, I wouldn't put money on it.

 

[akula1488]

Why do we have to be this polarized? If I question the effectiveness of mask it has to be 0 % that it doesn't work. If I question the effectiveness and adverse effects of vaccine it means I am anti vax and saying it is 100% useless?
So we are either far left or far right  and there is nothing in between? The world is not black and white.

The MSM, and government are painting the vaccine is the all and be all hence the mandate and passport and the vaccinated is 100% villain and have a dark winter lying ahead.

I am a moderate because I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I found reasonable arguments from either side so I will try to make the best judgement for myself and my family.

Because I am posting information that goes against MSM narrative doesn't mean I am far right. It just means I am looking for both side of arguments and right now one side is being suppressed and being treated as heresay and misinformation. But if you look closer, you see enough bread crumbs even in the MSM censored information...

@akula:

I'm not an English teacher... but the fact is, masks and vaccines DO prevent transmission and infection... not 100%... but more than 0%... which is what you are implying.

 

[eyephone]

And you are vaccinated so _____.

Why do we have to be this polarized? If I question the effectiveness of mask it has to be 0 % that it doesn't work. If I question the effectiveness and adverse effects of vaccine it means I am anti vax and saying it is 100% useless?
So we are either far left or far right  and there is nothing in between? The world is not black and white.

The MSM, and government are painting the vaccine is the all and be all hence the mandate and passport and the vaccinated is 100% villain and have a dark winter lying ahead.

I am a moderate because I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. I found reasonable arguments from either side so I will try to make the best judgement for myself and my family.

Because I am posting information that goes against MSM narrative doesn't mean I am far right. It just means I am looking for both side of arguments and right now one side is being suppressed and being treated as heresay and misinformation. But if you look closer, you see enough bread crumbs even in the MSM censored information...

@akula:

I'm not an English teacher... but the fact is, masks and vaccines DO prevent transmission and infection... not 100%... but more than 0%... which is what you are implying.

 

[eyephone]

They cant comment on the hospital trend of the unvaccinated are the majority ending in the hospital. They probably will not tell you this. But a person might be on a bed in the hallway or by a nurse station due to the availability of beds. (Sad true reality)

Dayton 24/7 Now Article: Governor DeWine mobilizing National Guard to Ohio hospitals

Governor Mike DeWine said today that he is mobilizing the Ohio National Guard to help in the state's hospitals, as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to tax health care resources.

DeWine said the trend continues that unvaccinated people make up the vast majority - 9 out of 10 - of those hospitalized for COVID-19 in Ohio.

The governor said it's a perfect storm of the high spread of the delta variant of COVID, plus the ongoing flu season, and the emerging omicron variant.

DeWine said that 4,723 Ohioans were hospitalized for COVID-19 as of Friday. That's the highest number of hospitalizations since Dec. 22, 2020, and is approaching the highest all-time.

He said that our health care workers have endured 22 months of pressure and stress from treating COVID-19. DeWine said he heard a story from a hospital administrator that their staff typically take only 8 hours off between shifts before returning to work, because of the demands of COVID-19. DeWine said that is typical in the state's health care industry these days. 
https://dayton247now.com/amp/news/l...-hospital-staffing-issues-as-covid-19-spreads

My comment: This seems like a trend regarding the unvaccinated in the hospital.